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Originally Posted by Rhysem

I'm not seeing what's dropped in cost, but I'm comparing prices now to what I remember from two years ago when I was playing the market to kit out my BS/SD scrapper, and I'll admit that requires trusting my memory, which I generally try to avoid.

But I remember nummies and miracles going for more like 40 and 60 mil each, not triple that. I remember purples being under 6-fig, not half way through. A bunch of stuff is about the same -- crushings and makos seem about where I remember they were (I was working them back then). Orange salvage strikes me as about the same, 2-4m per piece with wide variation.

Originally Posted by DSorrow

I just don't see the how greed only applies to "desire for excessive wealth" and not to "desire for excessive power".

Originally Posted by Yomo_Kimyata

I don't think you shouldn't state your opinion; I think the reason why you feel that no one agrees with you is that you are (in my opinion) unnecessarily antagonistic.

Originally Posted by UberGuy

The point is that I'm proof that you can't claim everyone is doing that. I'm not offended, I'm trying to point out that you're making claims you can't possibly back up. Do we know some people use the market like that? Sure - a lot of them post here. But the tone of your entire line of thinking in this thread is that basically everyone is some sort of amoral shiester. I think that's a claim based on a feeling of victimization because you don't like how difficult it is to obtain some things than any clear evidence that it's actually the case.

I gave that information in pretty explicit detail in my post.

Originally Posted by DSorrow

I still think my proposal to balance the market is the best one: find a cure for gottahaveitrightnowitis. It's the disease that makes marketeers rich and everyone else poor, it's the disease that forces people to pay high prices and it's the disease that causes cries of despair which lure Bad People to the market.

Originally Posted by Eva Destruction

You can't get purples through merits. Or did you mean a-merits? Yes, everyone agrees it sucks, especially since you can spend all those a-merits you would have needed for just one purple on something else, sell it, and buy a whole set of purples with the proceeds.

But again, you have to sell. Do you not sell anything? Is that what the problem is?



Well somebody obviously bought a Steadfast for 40 mil. There is no need for somebody else to bid 60 mil just to have it faster. They're going to anyway though, so why shouldn't you take their inf? Remember, the LEAST greedy seller gets the sale.



Funny, I did. Pretty much every character I've leveled to 50 since i9 has had a good portion of their build done by the time I hit 50, and that's without inf transfers or heavy marketeering. But again, you have to sell, and you do get more drops/xp running your own missions than doorsitting for someone running on +3.

Or by IO do you mean create a multi-billion inf build with purples and PvP IOs within days of hitting 50? Yeah, the devs don't want you to do that.



Those poor poor people, forced to slot all those overpriced purples.

Originally Posted by UberGuy

Yes, there would be. It's called supply vs. demand. If the item is extremely rare and yet extremely desirable, making people sell it for like 200M means that everyone with 200M will try to buy one, but there's no way that everyone with 200M will get one.

This is exactly the situation we have with the PvP +defense unique, except the cap is 2B inf. More people have 2B inf and want that proc than there are procs available. You can put up a 2B bid and wait weeks without getting one. I know this, because I did it.

Putting items in a store is not a price cap. Putting items in a fixed price store doesn't just set their price, it increases their supply. I understand you also do want supply of some things to increase, but that's adds a completely different dimension to the discussion - power creep across the broader player base.

Originally Posted by Jim_G

RagManX, I am little surprised you are not familiar with the arguments why this would not work. The two main ones are:

1) People would just sell everything really valuable outside of Wentworths.
2) Popular items that people sold within Wentworths would quickly get bought up. Then instead of not getting them because they cost too much, you couldn't get them because they weren't available. You are replacing one problem for another, while effectively penalizing the people who put time and effort into making Inf.

People keep trying to invent ways to stop a limited number of rare items from having a high price. Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by UberGuy

Flexibility. I do use purples and PvPOs in my builds, but even when the builds are done I tend to cart around 1-3B on each character, because then, if I want something for that character that money can buy, I can just plop down a big wad of money and have it.

If I actually do something like that, I only do it because I intend to actually play the character some. (Either I want to experience the new shiny I just bought, or I wanted to play the character anyway and the new shiny is some QoL improvement.) That means I have a chance to earn back the bank roll I spent from that character.

Originally Posted by seebs

I've got something like five or six billion inf, and I have never once slotted a purple.

(I am, of course, cheating horribly here.)

Originally Posted by DSorrow

Inf != Dollars. At least it isn't to me, I don't know if you think 1 dollar is worth 1 inf, but I certainly don't.

The thing is, I bet many people experience a sort of price shock when they enter the WW for ubah lootz. They see the price tag and think one billion dollars, I see one billion units of play money. Guess which one of us is more shocked by the price? The situation is very similar in many board games, take Monopoly for an example. For most people it's not problematic to spend hundreds of units of play money during a session of that game while they would never do that with real money. This game just adds a few zeroes to the end of those hundred units of play money.




Frankly, I'd call anyone who claimed all those builds were actually completed within the game deluded. I make builds like that all the time, but end up abandoning the character it was planned for or switching the build focus. Sometimes even making a cheaper version of the build because I don't like the character enough.

As for full sets of Kinetic Combat, Numina, etc., you can get those for very little compared to their "market worth" if you're patient. I do TFs and get my R merits and don't roll them all at once, instead I convert them to A merits and roll them 50 at a time that way. It gets me better returns, but takes a bit longer. Often I get rare IOs I need, sometimes I don't, and what I don't need I sell. Patience goes a long way in making builds affordable.

You want rare IOs? Well, you can either have the build at a low cost or right now. You can only pick one of them.

Originally Posted by Syntax42

Ice Armor is probably the worst set in the game for PvE right now. It only gives S/L and E/N defenses, and only caps Cold resistance. It provides a very small amount of Fire and Toxic resistance. The self-healing is not reliable due to the long recharge. The defense debuff resistance is around 50%, which is not high enough to ignore heavy defense debuffs without consuming purple inspirations. It does have debuffs to reduce incoming damage, but the mitigation from them does not make up for the weaknesses of the set.

If you want to play it, go ahead. Any Tanker set can perform the role required of a Tanker. Teammates' buffs, your playstyle, and strategy can help overcome numerical disadvantages of any set.

Originally Posted by Achilles6

I don't know, I have both a FA/SS and SD/SS Tank, both IO'd out and both are currently my favorites. I'd swear the FA/SS puts out more DPS. The SD/SS is no slouch and has more recharge, but I think Burn/FS comes up faster and just chews thru almost anything.

just my observation