enrious2

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  1. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Electric-Knight View Post
    I've been thinking this same thing. People who resort to such a thing really shouldn't feel like they can get away with it. It's not healthy for the community overall. Unfortunately... I get the feeling it won't be healthy for our moderators either, haha. Still... It just seems wrong to let people toss anonymous insults at will without any repercussions. Reporting even the stupidest (Yet, obviously personal attack) ones seems the right thing to do.
    Note: I only advocate reporting negative rep comments in violation of forum rules and guidelines, not reporting every single negative rep comment wholesale.

    As for it being work for the mods - they put the system in place, I have zero sympathy for them receiving alerts about legitimate violations of forum rules and policies that occur in rep.



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    Both positive and negative comments on public display would be healthier for the community.

    I really don't get the rep comment business, hehe, but ah well, I've already said that.
    Want a true representative system? Make no comments left be anonymous. I predict the boards last 4 days, but man, it'd be an entertaining 4 days.


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    Oh... and I really don't get the hostility shown towards Alti.
    Clearly there is some history between you two.
    Frankly, I found the reply to Alti uncalled for and not really making the points I think you were trying to make.
    I don't know who has done wrong to whom in the past, but it seems like that history poisoned the exchange there.
    Not really history per se - he could go on an on in his ignorance of gaming terminology, but if you look at his posts, he wishes to be the ultimate arbiter of what we can and cannot do in the game - not you, not me, him.

    Let me tell you how asinine a position that is - let's say I lobbied to be the arbiter - there'd be no more badging or RP in this game.

    And people would call me on it and they'd be right to do so. Now cue up years and years of me saying the exact same thing in the exact same way.

    Also, imagine that I never demonstrated a fundamental grasp of the issues and continued to speak from ignorance.

    So that's why he gets the flak he gets. Justifiably, IMO.

    I could show that I got way more positive rep for that post than I did negative rep, but where would that leave us?
  2. Quote:
    Originally Posted by TonyV View Post
    Rep is a game, and a pretty stupid one at that. I see people with their bars full of rep who I've never heard of before, and I immediately think, "Must've posted in one of those idiotic 'Gimme rep!' threads."
    Nah, sometimes they just post what people are too scared to say. In only a few cases do I actually see people who I think deserve it (I'm not one of them) - the ones who are friendly, helpful, upbeat, and in all ways do this community credit.

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    Mine probably is pretty much accurate. I've tried to be helpful in posting answers in Player Questions threads, and it goes up. I post news about the Paragon Wiki or Titan Network, and it goes up.
    I'd say that the posts I've seen of yours outside of this thread tend to reflect that statement.

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    I'm a huge anti-farming person, and whenever I post anything about people exploiting the game, it gets dinged. Of course, I personally view any negative rep from a farmer as positive rep, so there have been quite a few threads when I lost a green jellybean or two and thought, "Well, that must have pissed them off, so I did a great job on that one!" It's not out of malice, I'm not that mean. It's because if I get dinged for standing up for the long-term health and playability of the game against those who are only interested in short-term rewards, I'm actually pretty damn proud of that. It's the "good" kind of negative rep.
    I can't say that I've seen any such posts of yours, but then, I haven't looked. Offhand if you were careful to differentiate between farming and exploiting and further differentiating between farming and pl'ing, then I doubt you'd cross my radar.

    Of course, if you were to lump them all together, like other posters, then I'd feel justified in pointing out the inherent ignorance of such a stance.

    That said, even if someone disagrees with me on a subject like that, so long as they don't come across as foaming at the mouth, I'm very happy to figure we'll never change each other's opinions of say farming, but that we both pay money to play the game, then again, no worries from me.

    It's when ignorant positions/arguments are used to force everyone to play to one person's playstyle that I have a problem with that poster.

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    I've thought about turning my rep off before just so that they don't have the satisfaction of thinking they're making me mad or sad or whatever, but then I think, nah, to hell with 'em. I want them to know how much their reputation mods mean to me (-->||<--). To be honest, I kind of even want to flaunt in their faces the fact that even though they can post their whiny little comments, even though they may even take a jellybean away from me, my reputation is still green.
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    The most important thing to keep in perspective to me isn't just what the absolute rep value is, but what you expect versus what happens. When I post an anti-farming comment, I know it's going to get negative-repped with "u suk" comments, but I've also gotten some really good positive-rep comments that inevitably prove to me that there are good players out there who "get it."
    I'd sincerely ask that you report people who say "u suk" in rep comments. If people who get those, then they may feel encouraged to do so and the next person may not be someone with your outlook on it.

    Of course, I could say that when I post anti-anti-farming posts, I get positive rep comments that inevitably prove to me that there are good players out there who "get it".

    That only goes to show that rep is an idiotic idea to have and is counter to a strong and healthy community.

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    Plus, when I see how nasty people are and how badly the devs are treated for decisions that are great ones for the future of the game just because some people want an "I win!" button and the devs won't give one to them (or in some cases, take one away that they inadvertently gave to them before), I can't feel too badly about a stupid jellybean or two.
    *shrug* The devs have made some great decisions. They've also made some very stupid ones.

    Vox Populi.
  3. Quote:
    Originally Posted by LISAR View Post
    Actually a mod once joked about having the "easy job" so the rep system was left on in the new forum to make them have more work.
    That's flat un-American.
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    Originally Posted by LiquidX View Post
    I'm not even sure what bit of insanity prompted them to turn it back on in the first place. Maybe because there's no moderator left who remembers the whole Star Rating idiocy.
    I wasn't around for it, but I've been around forums for a long time. I could have told them this would happen.

    People are people, regardless of the forum.
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    Originally Posted by Electric-Knight View Post
    Speaking of rep and all...
    How should a person go about reporting abusive/offensive/inappropriate rep comments to a moderator?
    The best way is to send a PM to a forum moderator, along with the exact comment that you feel is in violation of the forum guidelines.

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    The system really is stupid. Unless, it is just a trap for trolls and jerks. They send anonymous rude/offensive/rule-breaking comments, thinking they can get away with it... and, whamo, they get sent to Siberia!! Maybe?
    Shhhhh.

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    I just find it odd. Reply to people on the boards. Have some taste and respect and... Oh, never mind. I expect too much from humanity... never mind people hiding behind the anonymity of the internet.
    Oddly, I'm an eternal optimist.

    Take, for example the anonymous negative rep I got for the above post - " As much as Alty is annoying, that was just uncalled for."

    Now, if that person had let me know, I may have been willing to discuss it with him and perhaps they could persuade me that I was wrong. However, by doing it anonymously, all it tells me is that they fit into the category of everyone else who leaves anonymous neg rep, cowards.

    I have never seen the argument for taking seriously someone too afraid to stand by their own opinions, and I certainly don't now.

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    I call it like I see it. Never shy from saying what I want. I do it with respect. Often times with an attempt at humor. To my surprise, the rep thing has been steady and positive. Still... You make some posts in certain topics and you get hit with some BS comments. I found it funny though... Two negative comments (simple and rude ones, at that) and they only knocked 4 points off of my total, hehehe. Hey, idgits... You need bigger friends.
    I did give up trying to even say that rep usage was rational, because it isn't. It's chaotic idiocy in it's finest, thus I gladly participate.

    Until, that is, the moderators do the right thing and turn it off.
  6. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Primal View Post
    If someone thinks well of me, they'll either remember me, or I'll have to keep giving them reasons to continue thinking that way. New people should come in with no red-green prejudice, to judge me as they see fit. Those that don't like me either have me on ignore or are reading to see what laughably stupid thing I say next. Pressure to deliver from all sides, I tell ya, being gray is hard work.
    I agree.

    Thing is, they could turn off rep or make so that only positive rep is enabled.

    The former is the better solution.
  7. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    Do you two want to get a room maybe, to resolve this undercurrent of sexual tension?
    Only if you moderate us
  8. Quote:
    Originally Posted by The_Alt_oholic View Post
    The kind of people that exploit in the game were the first ones to exploit the Rep system by starting "Power-level your Rep" threads.
    This is more idiotic than your usual comments.

    'Insanity is doing the same things over and over again and expecting the different results' - Einstein.

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    They then went around and used their High-Rep-power to "denounce others" often accompanied by some asinine comment that wasn't to the point, but was just an personal insult. I've come close to having death-threats attached to neg rep votes. It doesn't show that these people are respected, just that they know how to manipulate the rules.
    Rep comments are still subject to the forum user guidelines - if you were getting them, report them to a mod. Note that if there is the "cabal" you describe, there is nothing against it in the rules or policies. Of course, it could simply be that you have a fairly unique amount of emo-whining that encourages a large number people to express their scorn of you.

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    The higher the Rep of the person that neg reps you - the more their vote neg reps you.
    Vote to neg rep someone with a high positive rep, and you may end up getting a huge neg rep hit, if it bounce off them, while they barely get lowered if you have a low or negative rep.
    You have accurately recounted the way it was explained by the devs.

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    So guess who the exploiters were most likely to denounce (aka neg rep into the Stone Age)?
    Anyone that stood up against their exploitation.
    I was wrong. This is the most emo-idiotic thing you've said.

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    Of course, all of this started when the AE came out and it was so full of exploit holes that it drew in the vermin.
    There, there, no need to be that hard on yourself.

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    The forums were much different before then, as far my experience is concerned. There were debates, but everyone was relatively civil.
    I'm glad you remain consistant.

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    Once the "AE Babies" were on the block, the friendly, helpful players were all of a sudden getting jumped by jerks in the forums. There weren't debates any more, there was massive neg-rep-ing with insult comments and "You're a jerk. You are wrong" posts (and that's to put it lightly). The kind of people that would exploit the rep system were the same people that would exploit in the game. They didn't come here to play a superhero game; they came to "dominate" through exploitation. In the end, it just shows that they are jerks as well as cheaters.
    Don't forget whiners that also came out at that time..

    Also, if you experienced such negative rep comments and did nothing to report it, how can you possible exempt yourself from your fair share of the blame? You can't, without being a hypocrite.

    And if you did your duty and reported any such comments that you recieved, why are you still harping on it? You desperately need the attention that much? If so, that's more pathetic than any "exploit" you could deem.

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    In the end, this is about a game with a world-view of comics.
    One day, I hope you and reality sit down and have a cup of coffee.

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    For the most part, there is a stark divide between what is good and what is evil.
    A cursory glance through Philosophy for Dummies would show you to be typically wrong.

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    Real super heroes and/or villains stand out because of what makes them separate and individual from the rest of the world around them and not what makes them blend in.
    No True Scotsman fallacy.

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    Mini-maxing, power-leveling, and farming are not methods of exploring the game or finding uniqueness, they are about becoming the standard and ordinary. You can't explore the system if you are just trying to break it to get the best advantage out of it. You aren't exploring the game and challenging yourself as a hero or villain if you are running the same content repeatedly or being PL'd to what you assume is "greatness".
    Argument ad butthurtum.

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    If you can't take the time to enjoy the content without needing to exploit it or break it, you are robbing yourself of the wonderment of finding something cool or learning to manipulate what you have into something more powerful than others thought possible.
    Gee Daddy, can I have some ice cream?


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    I'm going to stand up for what I think is right and that means that some people will want to strike me down. That's not okay with me, but that's life.
    It'd be better if you stood up for intelligence, reason, and maturity.

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    In the end, my comments on the forums reach the eyes of those that end up making a real impact on what happens in the game. If I didn't know that was a fact, I would have let the bullies chase me away a long time ago.
    Would you like to borrow three nails?

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    The Rep System should have been shut-off; it needs to be shut off.
    I absolutely agree with this. The mods implementing is as idiotic as most of Alt's posts.

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    It is insulting that the system is still operational as it is mostly used by bullies.
    Those that toe-the-line and play nicey-nice with the jerks don't have much "street cred" with me either.
    Zomg, people "toeing-the-line" - Alty doesn't wuv you. Don't be around sharp objects tonight.

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    I'm going to go play the real GAME part of the GAME now ... where frankly, by-and-large, the kind of jerks that would/have neg rep me here have no influence whatsoever to my game-play as they are just as cliquish in-game as they are here in the forums and I probably already have them on /gignore at any rate. So their negativity and High-Reps are meaningless in the larger scheme of things...
    .... like the actual game.
    Y'know, forget you finding reality, 'cause that ain't gonna happen. I'd settle for you finding maturity.

    Seriously, ever notice how you are never responsible for your own woes? You blame power-gamers for your lack of enjoyment in the game, when that responsibility lies solely with you. You blame the Illuminati for you rep woes, rather than admitting that virtually every one of your posts is either idiotic, whiney, or immature.

    Cowboy up and be a man.
  9. Heh, someone left me neg rep.

    I feel a warmth in my loins.
  10. I learned tonight that the secret to real pvp is just farming my pvp rep by posting sweet nothings on my home server forum.

    Is it too late to quit my ladder team and be a forum warrior?
  11. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Baalat View Post
    ^^^^^^^^^^^
    Ba', get off the pot.
  12. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mad_Cow_Milk View Post
    ... Okay, thanks. I am glad for the help. I just wish you read my OP a little better. I did say surgeon, as I was talking to them but nothing was happening.
    Hey M_C_W, try not being snooty to people trying to help you? It helps in real life too.
  13. enrious2

    Louie

    How does louie not have a ladder team?
  14. I reactivated an account after 4 years with no problems, so as was mentioned, just contact customer support.
  15. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven View Post
    And IMO, that is ridiculous and serves to back up the flow of actual bugs! Now the people who have to sort through those things have to deal with a bunch of reports for something that they not only know about, and did intentionally, but ISN'T a bug!
    Eh, they listen to some bug reports and deal with them pronto.

    Just mention that it affects you getting badges when filing the bug reports.
  16. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood View Post
    I turned mine off because I think the rep system as implemented is basically pointless. I (occasionally) check my old posts for rep because I like to see the comments people give.
    It was stated by the moderators that rep is a mini-game.

    It's been proven by the devs that pvp is a mini-game.

    Life is much better when you combine the two.
  17. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chinook View Post
    That is bizzare advice.
    Especially unsolicited.
    Eh, you have to factor in the bourbon.
  18. Once I realized it was akin to dogs sniffing each other, I got over the annoyance and just laugh.
  19. enrious2

    Hamidon Raids

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    Originally Posted by DevilYouKnow View Post
    Look, as someone who just celebrated his 1st year in the City of Heroes all I can say is that I have never done a Hamidon raid, but I would like to.

    So whoever leads it is fine with me. I had never done a Mothership raid and I was lucky enough to be invited to one of AV's teams and a had great time. I have been on 4 more since then. (I have a buddy who has been playing for nearly 4 years and has never been on a successful one so it isn't totally a cakewalk).

    Sure there will be new players who don't know what to do. You should be glad and happy of that. Some will be awful and some will be new players who are willing to learn.

    The server needs new people willing to take part. If you make a vet only event then over time you will find that you will not have enough people. Training larger pools of potential raiders is not only a good idea, but an essential one.


    Who should lead? The best leader is the one willing to lead. So whoever is wlling, Lead ON!
    I like this guy.
  20. Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen of the Allied Expeditionary Force!
    You are about to embark upon the Great Crusade, toward which we have
    striven these many months. The eyes of the world are upon you. The
    hopes and prayers of liberty-loving people everywhere march with you.
    In company with our brave Allies and brothers-in-arms on
    other Fronts, you will bring about the destruction of the German war
    machine, the elimination of Nazi tyranny over the oppressed peoples of
    Europe, and security for ourselves in a free world.

    Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is well trained, well
    equipped and battle hardened. He will fight savagely.

    But this is the year 1944! Much has happened since the Nazi triumphs of
    1940-41. The United Nations have inflicted upon the Germans great defeats,
    in open battle, man-to-man. Our air offensive has seriously reduced their
    strength in the air and their capacity to wage war on the ground. Our Home
    Fronts have given us an overwhelming superiority in weapons and munitions
    of war, and placed at our disposal great reserves of trained fighting men.
    The tide has turned! The free men of the world are marching together to
    Victory!

    I have full confidence in your courage and devotion to duty and skill in
    battle. We will accept nothing less than full Victory!

    Good luck! And let us beseech the blessing of Almighty God upon this great
    and noble undertaking.


    SIGNED: Dwight D. Eisenhower


    To me, the last paragraph says it all. Godspeed, bro.
  21. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Phillygirl View Post
    The freedom server got an equipment upgrade to reduce the stress on it that is why it is not always yellow. It is not accurate to compare it now with prior to the upgrade to use it to measure population change.
    Why aren't stupid people listening to this too?


    Oh wait, I answered my own question.
  22. enrious2

    Hamidon Raids

    It's a valid point and email attachments can work out well - email yourself EoEs ahead of time.

    I'm not on Liberty, but I can email some to you when you actually do this, as I have 1000 in my bases.