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Originally Posted by dugfromthearth

Imagine you cannot gain any XP, get no new powers, no influence, etc. Maybe you are max level, everything is slottted with purples. You have every badge. There is nothing left to buy.

With no rewards to influence what you do in game, what would you do?

Originally Posted by Doc_Reverend

This is the most New England thing about Paragon (outside of the tunnels and cults and pushy pedestrians). Just Paragon has Mexican restaurants everywhere instead of Dunkin's Donuts like Boston does.

And because this thread is missing something...

Originally Posted by Zwillinger

While I do respect differing opinions and viewpoints:

If we had wanted to kill off States out of spite, we would have done so years ago. There's been nothing keeping us from doing so.

The death of Statesman (and Sister Psyche) was part of a huge change to the City of Heroes franchise; the move to a Hybrid model. We wanted to do something big, something impactful and something that could give us more avenues to make you, the player, the primary focus.

Were there obvious allusions and comparisons made to Jack and his relation to States? Of course. There's plenty of press opportunities there, and it's something that drew interest from veteran players, current players and new players alike, as well as gaming journalists familiar with the franchise. I absolutely agree that there was some real world symbolism, as Matt expressed in an article he wrote on the topic, however to say there was malice or prejudice involved would be spurious.

This industry is entirely too small to burn bridges.

There's also the point that the SSA1 stories weren't directly written by Matt. I believe most of the writing was handled by Dr. Aeon.

Originally Posted by Cobra_Man

In your opinion.

I saw Statesman as an iconic hero that was underdeveloped by the writers following the split.

Originally Posted by Cobra_Man

There's a big difference here.

Holmes was Doyle's own creation.

My distaste for the game right now is my perception of the motivation for killing Statesman.

Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect

Isn't the timeline pretty similar up to a point?

If that's the case, Cole was the Well's champion as early as the 20's. And unless I'm mistaken, Hamidon wasn't a threat until much later.

Originally Posted by dugfromthearth

1. crafted powers - envenomed dagger is big vs AV's, stun grenades give everyone an AoE mezz, lots of other powers as well

Originally Posted by dugfromthearth

I would go with a dark/psi dominator

she has evil thoughts which manifest as darkness and can even possess people. She lashes out with her pain. And ultimately she summons her own dark wolf into reality

Originally Posted by Arilou

They do, the Vindicators.

Statesman>Ms. Liberty
Positron>Valkyrie
Numina>Infernal
Sister Psyche>Malaise
Manticore>Swan
Synapse>Mynx

Originally Posted by Arilou

The way I understand the timeline it goes something like this:

-Some organization from Primal (not Portal Corp) discovers Praetoria, sends Maelstrom & his companion there. Maelstrom switches sides.
-Cole dispatches people to figure out what the heck is going on with those Primals snooping around, hence Marauder's Cell and the attempted kidnapping of Statesman. He starts gearing up for invasion. (old arcs)
-Both Arachnos and Longbow/Vanguard start infiltrating Praetoria, at the same time Powers Division is infiltrating Paragon City (Twinshot arc)
-Our Praetorian PC's delay the invasion (by whatever means) in the final Praetoria arcs.
-Cole sends Battle Maiden to invade (Atlas TF) the primal incarnates strike back and essentialyl wreck the invasion force (Tin Mage TF)
-At the same time the Durays team up and launch a diversionary invasion (Sutter TF)
-With the invasion defeated, Cole is now on the defensive. He starts by trying to take out the Resistance (BAF trial) but is stopped, the incarnates then proceed to wreck Lamba Sector (Lambda trial) and the Keyes Island Reactor, pretty much ending any threat of invasion.
-The fighting starts to wake the Hamidon up, who proceeds to pretty much declare war on Praetoria. (UG trial) Desdemona assumes leadership of the Carnival of Light.
-The incarnates attack the TPN network to try to break Tyrant's hold on the praetorian population, Maelstrom is defeated. (TPN trial)
-With no more propaganda, Mother Mayhem turns on the psychic sledgehammer. The incarnates stop her. (Minds of Mayhem trial)
-The DA arcs, Praetor Duncan slips over to Primal Earth, Mot is defeated, Diabolique attempts to take control of him but the incarnates and Dream Doctor stops her (DD trial)

I23 stuff:
-Chimera in desperation gathers what remaining supers he can into a new group of Praetors. Imperial City is liberated. (Sword of the Emperor arc)
-Nova Praetoria is evacuated, Lord Recluse tries to beat the incarnates to the punch (and stealing Cole's technology) but is defeated by Cole.
-The incarnates invade the Magisterium, beating Cole's Praetors, in desperation he blows up the Magisterium but it is not enough and Cole is defeated.

Originally Posted by ShadowMoka

Because Cole totally didn't invade us multiple times and threaten to wipe us out. OOPS.

Also *Spoilers*




Nuking the center of his own metropolis is totally the answer to all his problems.

Originally Posted by G_Savior

If you ran the UG trial you would know that this is false.

The War Walkers were built to not fight at full potential when there was any civilian presence around.

Tyrant EXECUTES the commander of one of his forces who ignores this and deliberately attacks skyway(?) with hamidon spores, and he abandons Valkyrie for causing damage to the city as well, AND he sends Duncan to try and put a stop to Mot.

And he is somehow a generic, card carrying villain?

Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight

Maelstorm probably also informed Tyrant how a huge portion of the Primal Earth population was a bunch of power hungry, violent villains, that already had a record of igniting inter-dimensional wars.

Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight

IIRC, Nemesis Vengence only provides Melee and Ranged defense... so they actually have an AoE hole!