black_barrier
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i think this might be time for supermax to start using level 50 accuracy IOs instead of level 50 accuracy SOs (then you can get away with two of them).
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Hey, so I pm'd the man today and here's what I got:
Definitely good news.
Guess I'm not deleting my Cold/Psi.
Quote:Originally Posted by CastleYes, likely around Going Rogue, but possibly a month or 2 after.Quote:Originally Posted by black_barrierMain Q: Is there any intention of giving defenders access to an APP that gives +perception or phase in order to make them viable in team matches again?
Development of Q:
There are three cornerstones to a good PVP toon: Heal, Perception and Phase. This has always been the case and still remains so, with the importance of a heal having been somewhat diminished by the introduction of heal suppression. Corruptor EPPs get access to a phase power (hibernate), and perception (focused acc). Dominators and Controllers get access to a phase power (hibernate), and they can get perception from leadership. Scrappers, Tanks and Brutes can get perception from focused acc too. At this point there is no single reason to roll a defender in pvp instead of a Controller or Corruptor.
Case examples:
Cold/Sonic Def vs. Sonic/Cold Corr - A corr will always be able to negate any lingering debuff by hitting hibernate in a team match. For a cold/sonic to do the same, it must take phase and sacrifice perception. A corr can just fit in leadership. Add in scourge and you can make the argument that damage on a corruptor will spike through and over that of a defender.
Ice/Cold Troller vs. Cold/Ice Defender - Leadership and higher damage with containment on behalf of the troller.
Healing can be gained through simply packing greens and with heal decay on, the case for this is even stronger, since you only want to heal oh so many times throughout a match. -
Quote:how come you won't duel me with it?Originally Posted by Galactor
HAHAHAHAHAHA
NOT!
Spoken like a true COV player.
My rad/rad defender rocks.
Uh yeah sure...a corruptor has 75% strength debuffs and +10% damage on a defender.
My defender has +15% global damage and all my blasts have at least +102% damage and kills stalkers. I've solo'ed hopkins and the envoy shadows with him. He also has 18 original hammies (thank you sneaky prophet).
You don't know what you are talking about. My defender does decent solo but shines on a team in PvP. I know this, because when I'm on, I'm the only one dying on my team. Why? because I'm the only toon on the team the villains can kill, since the buffs and debuffs keep everyone else alive.
When going rogue hits, I'm going to the rogue isles and destroying all the AVs and SFs on the nub side, then I'm switching back. So I will have one character that has done every TF/SF/AV/GM in the game.
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Quote:shouldn't you be on the CO forums, empress watermelon.Originally Posted by Galactor
That's what COV emo noobs do.
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once you get past a certain point, build > skill. a rad/sonic is past that point. you can be the second coming of the lord of rads ajax, and it will simply not work against someone with 4 brain cells.
a dom with 5 yellows and tactics will destroy you. it if has poisonous ray, you shouldn't even bother.
a blaster doesn't even need yellows. between hold procs, will dom, tf's and all that, the only thing that you can beat is a bad ar/ice that didn't take build up; yeah, that bad.
a scrapper will hit you consistently with focused acc/targeting drone; same applies to a corr with focused acc or any -def (most corrs unless you're fighting lol/sonics or lol/traps).
tank just needs a bit of to-hit (build up, ss) and by simply spamming fossilize + 1 attack, you will die.
a stalker, well.. there's that retarded sudden death thing.
what else is left?
a rad/sonic defender is a horrible toon. -
defenders are trash.
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on my fire/cold i have the proc in flares. the rationale is that since i've dropped web cocoon for a more team oriented build and slotted a hold proc into web envelope too, i need a chance to mez an opponent that fire's consistently.
i placed it in flares because i don't ever lead with flares in kb's, i generally go in for a blaze and follow up with a fire blast; if the target isn't dead by then, i'll venture out a flares, but the mez spike is already over with. -
don't make a defender.
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Quote:platform style nemesis at 8/+3 or /+4 require a semblance of skill in managing candy, candy drops and constantly being aware of your toon states among other similar stuff.Originally Posted by Neeto
I have to admit, i think ur right con i'm just being spiteful. though, to be fair, players can still turn up diff and especially at low to mid levels it's not godmode. The devs just doesn't have an idea of what players want so they give them everything and and dumb down complicated things like PvP, ofcourse. But if they invest time and work into PvP content and fix a few powers, there'll be room for the 1337s and the noobs or even a mix. So the same player choice concept that went into PvE could be made for PvP with added content. And yeah dude they are not gonna overhaul the PvP system again, work with what you got.
everything else in this game's pve is just button mashing.
until people are forced to COMPETE FOR DROPS in pvp, which isn't the case right now (because the drop rates and timer on rewards is so ungodly broken) pvp will not be popular. -
Quote:if you have to "overcome" other players' attitudes, you should be pve-ing against NPCs that don't make fun of you for being bad and needing io's to solo an AV.Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Yep to answer the original posters question that attituded is what PvP IOs have to overcome. And no its not enough incentive.
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Quote:posi raging hardcore on the boards was pretty hilarious.Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
And the fact that the people that were hunting for the next exploit as fast as the devs shut them down, and came up with code words to identify which missions in the AE were designed to take advantage of the exploits defeated any defense they made that they didn't know they were breaking the rules.
"HOW DARE YOU FARM IN MAH GAME!? IMMA E-CHOKE YOU AND TAKE YOUR MONEYZ" -
add arena chat to one of your tabs.
don't say anything stupid for a week and just watch/join. -
yeah, cold's a tight build.
my skeleton for that would be something like this:
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.601
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Click this DataLink to open the build!
Level 48 Technology Controller
Primary Power Set: Earth Control
Secondary Power Set: Cold Domination
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Ice Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Fossilize -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Infrigidate -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Ice Shield -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Stone Prison -- Empty(A)
Level 6: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 8: Combat Jumping -- Empty(A)
Level 10: Hasten -- Empty(A)
Level 12: Maneuvers -- Empty(A)
Level 14: Tactics -- Empty(A)
Level 16: Super Jump -- Empty(A)
Level 18: Super Speed -- Empty(A)
Level 20: Health -- Empty(A)
Level 22: Stamina -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Arctic Fog -- Empty(A)
Level 26: Acrobatics -- Empty(A)
Level 28: Benumb -- Empty(A)
Level 30: Stalagmites -- Empty(A)
Level 32: Animate Stone -- Empty(A)
Level 35: Sleet -- Empty(A)
Level 38: Heat Loss -- Empty(A)
Level 41: Ice Blast -- Empty(A)
Level 44: Hibernate -- Empty(A)
Level 47: Frozen Armor -- Empty(A)
Level 49: Glacial Shield -- Empty(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Containment
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Quote:-150% is the lowest i've seen. beastly meltdown vs. ujl practice when meltdown ran a cold, 2 therms, a rad and a poison.Originally Posted by macskull
FYI 0% resistance isn't floored... the floor is -300% but realistically you'll never see that (you might've seen numbers like -50% or something under the old rules when Enervating Field wasn't resisted and you had multiple Rads on a target, but other than that, not really).
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i'm just saying, fighting casuals on a rad/sonic and beating them does not make rad/sonic good.
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a few things un-mentioned:
bad pvp video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg31kdaSylY - UJL vs. Freaks - ie,wow, bad forts exist? - historical relevance: first official match where a 4 fort (ok really 3 fort, because as you can see in this video, modoom was just an ornamental fort, pretty sure these's a "will **** for locks, can i get locks on _____?" recording of me somewhere) jump team was ever used (even though the first fort jump team was run by the renegades during practice); freaks then quit from the ladder and merged with DR to form bloodline.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEIQgdzwibI - Mind/Ice (Parkinsons) vs. Dark/Cold Video (syn's videos were pretty good, lolvirtue was really underrated). lolvirtue may have been the hardest working team in the villain ladder in the sense that they actually joined practices for about 2 months prior to actually feeling prepared to join the ladder.
http://blip.tv/file/755107 , http://blip.tv/file/755079 -UJL vs. VRC Matches - first match: our poison puts pets on aura's stalker, who isn't set up to manage pets adequately (ujl is running spines/ea stalkers that ripper up and throw spines at pets to counter these tactics, maximum used to use phase on his regen to set up AS's, etc.). the forum drama ensueing about 3 months later was hilarious (essentially consisted for myk, and mez calling ujl and the renegades bad, lolvirtue writing a guide to villain pvp (1. mind link stacks, 2. doms have domination, and ajax insisting that a regen will never work in a villain match because of how mm's sic pets... about 2 months later maximum ran a beast regen against gmw, getting some pretty good AS's through storm debuffs). Second match, VRC switches to an all-dom team. Nerf Traps. -
Quote:if you're set on a therm, try an ill/therm. roman has one and last time i fought him i left dent marks on my desk.Originally Posted by TFury
Heyas.
I've never made a troller for PvP. I've heard that /therm is pretty good. Any suggestions what would be a fun set for a newb controller for PvP?
Thanks!!
as for a /cold controller, unless you have craploads of money heroside, there's very little reason to roll one over something like your sonic/cold. on a sonic/cold, in team matches, you get access to webnades which make you in a hellish disruption toon (once you get going on the webnade/infridge spam, the drop in kill rates is generally pretty noticeable in bigger matches).
/ff's are nice, /emps are still great, /kins are useless, /sonic is useless, /storm is ok, but requires skillful play, /therm is good, /ta's great.
ask mage to elaborate on the ice/cold though.
musey rolls on a ta/ defender, so maybe there's something i'm missing on the TA troller vs. TA def front.
don't listen to divine unless he's talking /rad.
my alter ego is leveling and ice/cold troller repeat-offenders style, so when it's 50 and spec'd, i may be able to give more feedback. -
Quote:DEAR ENFORCER WATERMELON.Originally Posted by Galactor
Signed
The PvP IO drop rates, bounty, rep, all of it makes it not worth doing PvP for any other reason that: A) A player likes PvP in spite of aforementioned things or B) A player PvPs to get expensive PvP IO drops.
B MAKES NO SENSE. IF SOMEONE LIKES DROPS, THEY MIGHT AS WELL KILL BEHEMOTHS, GET PURPS AND BUY THEM FROM THE MARKET/PPL. PVPING TO GET A JAV PROC IS LIKE FARMING BM TO GET AN LOTG 7.5.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.Quote:Originally Posted by Galactor
The more FOTM a build is the more PvP IOs that player will get. Thus more players will choose FOTMs over less conventional toons to 'get' the PvP IOs and maybe change over to a less FOTM toon simply because they feel like 'playing something different'.
make a plant/ice dom if you want. just spam poisonous ray and KS people in zone. best way to get drops. same applies to most dot heavy powers and scourge. of all my toons, i've gotten the most drops on my fire/cold; why? dots + scourge.
Hi, My name is enforcer watermelon and i can't think outside of the box.
Why pvp then? AI in this game is retarded. It makes koopa comparable to einstein.Quote:Originally Posted by Galactor
Here's what I would change:
Add Purple and PvP IO recipes to the merit vendor.
kkQuote:Originally Posted by Galactor
Add the ability to buy merits with bounty say 5K or 10K bounty/merit point.
ahahaahaha, and a purple too. the devs want you to play, not afk out into making money. please make an effort to realize that when you make suggestions it's not about you wanting a pony, it's about the dev's running a business.Quote:Originally Posted by Galactor
Have the PvP day jobs accolade give a PvP IO drop on login kinda thing.
i'd like a ******* zone porter for that day job accolade.
makes no sense. you're not encouraging competition; that's the problem with the current system. it doesn't encourage competition anymore than the previous status quo.Quote:Originally Posted by Galactor
Give defeated players a chance at a PvP IO drop and set it up in such a way that it can't be abuse for afk-kill farming. -
Quote:yea, ok. against what? bad regens?Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Good 1v1 duelist
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if you have a fixation with pink/purple buttons, just roll a mind/psi.
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most of the pvpers will go red, at least temporarily.
the time to accolade a toon redside is still dramatically lower than the time it takes to do it blueside (with the exception of geas and portal jockey on a good AV team). getting invader takes 20 minutes per TF equivalent badge when you have a lowbie in range. and i'd rather kill 200 marcone bosses than hunt for unveiler (takes 30-40 minutes if you have a farm mish). -
thought that came to mind:
you just hinted on why a roll-based system will not make people want to pvp.
the devs got it all mixed up when they decided to do an RNG-based rewards system for pvp and then make pvp more deterministic in terms of player choice. rewards should be deterministic; you kill 100 players, you get a pvp recipe of your choice.
you think it's gonna get farmed?
wrong, way wrong. there will always be players in zone hoping to rack kills faster at the expense of farmers (ME!ME!ME!ME!).
a drops-based system for rewarding players in pvp does not lead to true competition for drops and that's why current pvp drops are doing nothing for pvp besides raising how many lazy people i have to exploit in the market, and the differential between a good 10 billion inf build and someone's SOs. -
yeah, if you take away all the expensive bells and whistles (all those lotgs, and other procs, blessing of the zephyrs because i didn't want to take the shields, etc, etc) you can come up with a good build for a therm under 400 mill.
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Quote:try this one, pop 7 reds, wait til the timer hits 2 seconds from the end, start the AS.Originally Posted by Tokyo
Recently agreed to a duel with a stalker in arena. Now, i'm a complete arena newb and I knew nothing about sudden death. It was a tie up untill Sudden death and he one shot me. This is a really, really, really dumb feature that needs to be removed or removed.
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is that enforcer watermelon?