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Cripes...

We're still on this?

Look, the decision has been made. The votes were tallied.



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This argument has been already been de-bunked in this very thread by Back Ally Brawler himself. There was no "vote", just a "poll". The devs took the poll into consideration, but also "other factors", which where not mentioned by name.

BTW: Shields won that poll, but was left out.

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So, euphemisms is your game now, huh? A rose is a rose, good player.

Also, I read that one about Shields before. I figured I'd covered that concept with an earlier post.

As I insinuated, but perhaps didn't spell out too clearly, the devs now have a good idea of where to work for the next powersets to implement.

And oh yeah... From that poll/vote/tally/<insert synonym here>/etc., STREET FIGHTING STILL LOST.

Again... Why are we still on this?

Frankly, I'd rather have some of those improvised weapons set ideas you threw out earlier. The baseball bat or the 2X4 would be downright entertaining!

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I did not say I voted for street sighting. Frankly I can't remember what I voted for. The problem isn't that DB won, the problem is that the devs are treating CoH and CoV as one game.

MAKE DB A VILLAIN ONLY POWERSET!

Thanks for the 2x4 vote! Imagine the fun of smashing the Trolls Supes lab with a chunk of pine!

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People have been posting very solid arguments against making Dual Blades a Villains only powerset and you seem to be content with ignoring them all the while repeating your talking points ad nauseum.

Seriously? Are you just sitting there in your chair with your fingers in your ears saying, "Nah nah nah nah nah"?

It's been mentioned several times before and apparently it's not sinking in, but this is a game. Not a simulator. Roleplay to your heart's content on such things, but making it a fuss on the forums and trying to exclude it from Hero side is ridiculous.

Awesome ideas for Psi weaponry. I'd love to see something like that implemented! Then when power customization comes around I can discretely color the powers all green and uh... oh nevermind.

Again with the narrow fixation on the possibilities of Dual Blades. Examples have already been pointed out on the already established characters who wield dual blades so I won't repeat and the imagination is boundless.

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Statesman, im calling you out. This power set has NOTHING to do with comic book heroes.

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Ah, but it has everything to do with players recreating their GW, EQ and WoW characters in CoH; which is the mindset of how the majority of players vote.

"Hmm. How can we make CoH more like every other fantasy MMORPG? I know! Loot and more medieval weapons! Yay!"

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Thank you

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Still assuming "the people" are mindless idiots that don't know how to have their fun? Why be so angsty about how you perceive people play? Would you be so surprised that my Dual Blades/Willpower character I'm making is a high tech futuristic person? Nothing to do with the previous fantasy games I've played before.

You guys are still kicking and screaming that your choice on the poll did not win. It sucks, I know but the decision has been made and the work is being done. Heck, I even wanted Force Field for a defense set but Willpower and Shields are going to be crazy fun. If you still feel like arguing why Dual Blades' production should be stopped in favor of making a new powerset delayed until Issues 12, then be constructive about it and don't casually toss out weak arguments.

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Ok, im going to look over the rude, and snarky part of this post and say that you do have some valid points. Mainly that new powersets, ANY new powersets is a good thing. Thank you for pointing that out.

You did however miss the entire point of my OP. I DID NOT say to stop working on dual blades. I said to make it a villain (brute and stalker) only power because the taking of human lives goes against the super hero code and Paragon Cities own "Citizen Crime Fighting Act of 1937".

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Ah yes. I did make a mistake there. Going by the logistics of that Citizen Crime Fighting Act of 1937 however, means that current killer offensive sets would need to be removed. Which is pretty much all of them. This does not bode well for a combat MMO.

The major strength of this game Statesman has said is the moment to moment combat. So anything that adds to that makes it that much more fun. What you're saying is that lore in the game should take precedence over fun. That's just [censored] backwards. I'm not going to go into game design philosophy but to generalize: games are designed with fun in mind before the other elements.

Oh man! No wonder I haven't seen your entries around tpull. That sucks that it got a virus. Maybe feed it some chicken soup and put some blankets over it?

...err, wait. Don't actually do that.

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not to mention the animation will be ripped from the exsisting powersets making it not even close to being new.


i look at it as a iron blade temp power gone wild..it wont be flashy,neat or cool..it'll be simple im sure


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...Have you even BOTHERED to read anything the Dev's have said about Dual Blades? They already said it was having new animations.

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Which is one of the reasons that BAB had those sticks in the pic of his cubicle. He needed them to try out different attack motions. Animators do that quite often, so they can tweak the way it looks in the game. If I recall from the behind the scenes documentaries for some films, BAB would probably have attached to the sticks and to himself (or others that were trying out the new moves) sensors/reflectors which is used to help record movements and placement of the blades and the character.

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No mocap!

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So it'd be along the lines of trying out the moves, or observing someone else do it and them make the adjustments?

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Acting out what animation you want to do can be a tremendous help. I've acted out things from dialog to action scenes. It really helps when you record yourself doing these things to get in those subtle movements in the body here and there. Or even just as a great general guideline.

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Statesman, im calling you out. This power set has NOTHING to do with comic book heroes.

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Ah, but it has everything to do with players recreating their GW, EQ and WoW characters in CoH; which is the mindset of how the majority of players vote.

"Hmm. How can we make CoH more like every other fantasy MMORPG? I know! Loot and more medieval weapons! Yay!"

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Thank you

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Still assuming "the people" are mindless idiots that don't know how to have their fun? Why be so angsty about how you perceive people play? Would you be so surprised that my Dual Blades/Willpower character I'm making is a high tech futuristic person? Nothing to do with the previous fantasy games I've played before.

You guys are still kicking and screaming that your choice on the poll did not win. It sucks, I know but the decision has been made and the work is being done. Heck, I even wanted Force Field for a defense set but Willpower and Shields are going to be crazy fun. If you still feel like arguing why Dual Blades' production should be stopped in favor of making a new powerset delayed until Issues 12, then be constructive about it and don't casually toss out weak arguments.

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Here, I'll make it easy.

"The city council and mayoral elections of 1936 swept a platform of pro-hero candidates that resulted in the passage of the Citizen Crime Fighting Act of 1937. This law made it legal for vigilantes to bring criminals to justice as long as they followed the same restrictions police officers use."

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That is game lore. It serves to make the game world more alive, rooted in reality, or whatever the writers had in mind with it. It is not a binding contract detailing that every player must avoid your mentioned "killer" powersets, which I think is just about every offensive powerset in the game. Enjoy the game in your own way, but don't assume that the majority that play CoH/V give two cents about roleplaying.

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The point of this post is that Super Heroes DON'T kill people, and that it's pretty much impossible to arrest someone using a pair of knives and NOT kill them.

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Correction: Dual Blades. Still don't know if they're going to be super exotic weaponry or something a little more familiar. Also, the game clearly says defeat. Not arrest. I believe Statesman has said in the past that it is up to the player to decide for themselves what defeating enemies means to them. If you're lacking the creative juices to roleplay your own way to arrest the bad guys with such weapons then simply ignore the powerset. If you wish that it were something else that won out, tough cookies! People voted, developers weighed them in with some other unmentioned factors and voila, it was chosen for production.

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I have no problem with CoV and dual blades, it fits the bad guy motif quite well, but CoH? Gimmie a break.

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Again, tough cookies. This is a game. Not a simulator. Through the player and official polls I've seen in the past on these forums what I've noticed was the hot item were usually the new ways to kick butt (IE new powersets) option.

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It's funny, I looked over my 2 servers full of heroes, and out of the "killer" weapons (katana, axe, broad sword, claws, mace, assault rifle) I have a grand total of 1 character. That being a lvl 1 katana using joke toon named "Wild Bill Kelso". So from my point of view, we already have 6 worthless, unusable powersets in CoH, why bother adding more?

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Have s'more tough cookies. Eat enough and you may be able to dunk yourself into the center of the Milky Way and proclaim that you are the center of the universe. Right now though, you are not.

This is like watching a train wreck. It's horrifying and yet I can't look away.

Blood of the Black Stream? Prolly not.

Yeah, thanks for the pictures Ex! Keep em' coming! We love seeing our favorite companies in their natural habitat.

BAB cares!

http://paragonwiki.com/Vanguard_Shield

If some of these Vanguard outfits are any indication of what we'll be expecting for the new costume pieces, then I'm all for it!

I'd buy you a beer if I were in your area.

Does this mean set numbers, a breakdown of total bonuses from all sets, and such?

/b 50 Scrapper LFT for "Defuse all bombs under Talos Island Consignment House."

/b C'mon folks! The last time we failed it items were stolen!

You died...before the Raid?

I've said it once, I'll say it again... Energy Blade/Force Field Scrapper! I'm giddy just thinking that it could be a possibility in the future!

Ooooh, I think you should flesh those out and write em' up GadgetDon! Those sound great.

Awh c'mon Toast, it's so much to play the industrial insider.

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*Kisses Positron's Boots of Glory*

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Careful. Doing that has a 20% chance of causing lethal damage to the kisser.

Isn't BAB the producer? Wouldn't he be the powers that be? I guess part of the job is convincing not only others but yourself that something is worth it.

I might be wrong on the producer thing though.

I got a meep outta Athyna! I live for this stuff!