Xanatos

I thought I13 was the result of Castle continuously getting rolled on his dominator?

Think they're pretty much a no go mate. Base builders can stack items now...would make base raiding impossible.

lmao

While I appreciate you taking the time to respond to me, I have to say i'm pretty disgusted with what you just wrote. You've completely ignored all my questions and decided to just stereotype me as a "1337 pvper" who wants to beat people and not help train newbies. You put words into my mouth, speak down to me, and offend me. You say I ride a high horse, but that is exactly what your post seems like to me. I get that you're probably just being protective of your event from the two guys who seem like they're on a mission to turn this thread into a dramafest. But I promise you that's not what we're trying to do here. We simply want to join in the fun. That's really all there is to it.

I have been arguing with Braije and a couple of others in the last few pages, and while I don't understand why they disagreed with me, the discussion was becoming a positive one. Most of the people respinding to me welcomed the idea of a new team and of playing against experienced PVPers. This made me smile because I was worried everyone would be all "OMG GTFO GRIEFERS!"...which is how most people tend to respond to experienced PVPers.

Despite this however, the guys and gals in this thread don't run this league. You do. So could you please have a look at the following and see if it seems agreeable to you:

Please break the rules and let Vince, me, and the rest of our team join in the fun.

I understand that the rules were put in place to ensure certain principles of fair play were encouraged, to allow for simple organisation of the league, to promote a competative environment, and to help teach the next generation of PVPers. If a compromise could be found that breaks the rules, but nonetheless maintains the principles the rules were created to enforce, then any reasonable person should have no problem with it.

My compromise: Let Vince's team play, but only on the condition they help newbie players.

Would this compromise maintain the principles on which the rules were created? (I.e. the very thing that makes the rules legitimate) Yes. Yes they would. Here's why:

Would it be "fair play" to let Vince's team take part? Yes. Because although other teams were not able to join late, none of the other teams are negatively impacted in any way. As being able to join this late does not provide Vince's team with a significant advantage in any way I think it is safe to say that letting them play would be fair for everyone involved.

Would letting Vince's team play be a "simple thing to organise"? Yes, as Vince's team would be self-contained it would simply be an addition to the current league setup that would not require any administration on behalf of yourself or any other people running the league. You could simply say "yes you can join" and that would be that. No teams would be reshuffled. No schedules would be broken. Nothing would happen other than another team being able to take part.

Would letting Vince's team participate help to "promote competition" in the league? Yes of course it would. Vince and the members of his team are very very good at PVP. This doesn't make them better than you. It doesn't mean they're on a high horse. It doesn't mean they want to lord it over you so that their epeens feel big. It simply means they're good at PVP. Letting people who are good at PVP and, more importantly, very anxious to play PVP, take part in your event would definitely help to promote a competitive edge in the league.

Would this help to teach new players PVP? Of course it would! Like I said in one of my other posts, Vince and a couple other guys took me under their wing a while ago and showed me the ropes. I was completely useless at PVP. Check out my signature. I'm a complete Roleplayer. I've been writing in-game fanfiction for YEARS and running roleplay events for YEARS. I'm not cut from the same cloth as the uber kiddies, yet Vince and co helped give me a leg up so I was able to stand toe-to-toe with them. (Well...near enough anyway! ) Not allowing arguably the most experienced PVPers in the game to take part isn't only blocking them as a team, but it's blocking them as potential mentors.

So yeah, anyway, there you have it. By my reasoning (which I accept you may not agree with, and I would very much like to hear your thoughts on) allowing Vince and his team to play in the league would help to promote the sportsmanship upon which the rules themself were written. So won't you please just break the rules this once so we can skip all this drama and get back to the PVP goodness?

After all...there's no rule saying that the rules can't be broken

Oh yeah the new tutorial is brilliant in so many different ways. I just had a soft spot for breakout

That is a shame. The Stormies would look awesome in different colours!

stop stalking me noob.

What are these "lot of things" you reference?
How exactly would they be "thrown out of whack"?

Because right now all i'm hearing is "following rules for the sake of rules".

A reasonable person knows when to break rules as well as follow them.

My post obviously wasn't read because you haven't responded to any of the questions in it. If I ask you why it's important that the rules be enforced so strictly, and you respond by telling me what the rules say, it's clear you either haven't read or haven't understood what I wrote. The rules were put in place to ensure certain principles of fair play were encouraged, and to allow for simple organisation of the league. If a compromise could be found that breaks the rules, but nonetheless maintains the principles the rules were created to enforce, then any reasonable person should have no problem with it.

The reason you are refusing to actually answer anything in my post is because you are being unreasonable and you don't want people to realise. You don't want to play with Vince and myself. And for that reason you keep saying the same things over and over again ("the rules say x/there was a cutoff/the event was advertised") without actually trying to progress the discussion forward. You are hiding behind this to mask your true motives here. If you actually admitted that you simply do not want us to play and that you're making things hard for us because you want us to leave...then we'd probably just leave. But most of you guys (& gals!) are saying you're keen on us playing, but adding "Aw shucks, it's a shame the rules won't let you!"

That's just bad form.

I'm obviously here to make friends. Or at least that was my original intention. To come over here. PVP with the few people left in this game who actually PVP. And have a good time. Obviously when I get such a negative response just for wanting to participate I'm going to respond equally negatively, perhaps even confrontationally. But I would not be so quick to say this attitude was undeserved. Or, even, indicative of my levels of sportsmanship when PVPing. To try and imply it is is little more than an attempt at stereotyping me as a "1337 PVPer" that wants to do nothing but trash talk. Again this speaks more about your perception of me than it does about who I actually am.

For some reason you guys don't want to let me take part. I get that the rules say no. I get that the event was advertised. I get that. I understand that. Stop telling me that.

What i'm asking now is why is no-one is prepared to BREAK the rules?

Please answer me. As my ex-girlfriends will tell you...it's the quickest way to make me shut up

None of that matters. Read my last post and respond to it please.

That's not a compromise.

Why did you only respond to one thing in my post? Why did you only quote part of my post?

His is the Paragonian Knights.

Fix't.

Why won't the organisers of this league let a new team join? Are the rules that important they need to be enforced so strictly before the league has even started? Can a compromise not be found? Is it wise to block people from participating in a woefully underpopulated part of the game community?

A reasonable person looking to create a fun league would just say. "Oh, well we had a cut-off date. But as the league hasn't even started yet it won't harm anyone to let you come join in the fun!"

I think this is simply a case of reverse-elitism. Casual PVPers who want to lash out at "elite" pvpers by not letting them play ball. I mean let's face it - everyone in this league wants to play. No-one likes losing. If you let Vinnie take part his team will destroy everything you put in front of it. This will be a horrible reality check to the people involved in this. But it's a useful one.

Why?

Because it teaches people something your bootcamp didn't. It teaches them that they're not actually good at PVP.

I remember joining up to Season One of the League and thought I was amazing because I'd PVP'd on Virtue since Arenas were released. I'd always been able to take down my RP buddies. And I trolled around in PVP zones thinking I was amazing. I joined the league and my mind was blown open. I was awful. Vinnie, Silit, and the rest of U2BG taught me how to actually PVP. And while I'm still bad, i'm actually getting better.

Which is something that cannot be said for anyone in this league that doesn't want to play competitively.

PVE people mocking PVP people.

Because the only thing better than a dev team that doesn't listen is a player community that kicks you when you're down.

Well...they "/e kick" you anyway.

While expected, I'm not overly surprised.

Thanks for the response all the same mate.