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You don't even need the second "boss" group. Just add all your bosses to the main group and any unique bosses you just set to "Don't Auto Spawn". To do that, from the group screen just right click on the unique boss and set him.
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Quote:Awful idea. That would put the 1000's of arcs published in the first few weeks 1000's of pages ahead of every arc written since. Just look at HoF. The few there are all from the first few weeks of MA's release and the next few closest too it come from that time too. You have to go all the way down to 5th closest and it's only about 1/4 the way there after over a full year.Originally Posted by Clave_Dark_5
Reset them all to "not yet rated" like any new arc, yet still show the number of plays for all to see. The author got his tickets already, it's not like they'd be taking away something of real value with that.
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Since I ran this recently I decided to jump in here.
Arc ID: 452144
Arc Name: Murders in the RWZ Morgue
Author: @FredrikSvanberg
I've always said writing a shorter arc is in many ways harder than writing a longer one and Fred pulls it off well here. Story wise I felt is was quite clever. Downside was the lack of exp which some people will slam it for I'm betting. If you want a quick story driven arc you won't go wrong here.
My arc for the club:
A Very Special Episode. Arc 457506
I picked this one because I feel most people have played The Golden Age Secret of the Paragon Society and A Hero in Need is a Friend Indeed! already and I honestly don't feel either of those have much room for improvement at this point.
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Doc,
You can't edit an arc while you are in it or on any "mission" map anymore.
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Quote:It's actually over 7 times more important. If an arc has 7 plays with all plays being 5 stars and it gets just 1 1 star rating it's average drops to 4.5. That means if the next play is anything but a 5 the arc will drop to 4 stars.Originally Posted by Bubbawheat
Are Star Ratings the best way, or why is a 1-star five times more important than a 5-star?
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Quote:The arc remains and is playable.Originally Posted by NewScrapper
What happens to a player's published arcs if his/her subscription expires? Are they still playable in CoH while his/her account is inactive? If a player signs back up, will his/her published arcs still be out there, reactivated?
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Quote:I pointing out the math of it, not suggesting any sort of guide.Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
But that's not true either. I pretty much reserve 1 star ratings for farms, but more than 80% of the arcs in the system are farms. Here's my chart:
1 Star = This arc is a farm and not worth my time. Worse than 10% of the arcs in the system.
2 Stars = Well at least there's some kind of story or something. Worse than 1% of the arcs in the system.
3 Stars = About the same as classic official content. Worse than 0.1% of the arcs in the system.
4 Stars = About the same as current official content. Worse than 0.01% of the arcs in the system.
5 Stars = Better than current official content. Worse than 0.001% of the arcs in the system.
Interestingly that 0.001% number looks similar to the number of 5-star average arcs with more than 100 plays... Maybe off by about a magnitude but still pretty close.
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Quote:This is very true. Many people ignore math and go with all sorts of criteria for giving ratings. Simply put:Originally Posted by Bionic_Flea
An honest assessment of someone's arc is a matter of taste, which is subjective. The same arc can be critiqued as too hard by some and too easy by others. The mere fact that someone gives an arc 3 stars or less without leaving any comments does not equate to griefing.
It might be griefing, but it does not HAVE to be.
1 Star = At least 80% of the arcs in the system are better than this arc
2 Stars = At least 60% of the arcs in the system are better than this arc
3 Stars = At least 40% of the arcs in the system are better than this arc
4 Stars = At least 20% of the arcs in the system are better than this arc
5 Stars = This arc is in the top 20% of arcs in the system
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Quote:They don't, but again, only speaking for myself, I like to constantly improve my arcs as I get feedback and to keep them up to date as patchs/updates occur.Originally Posted by Talen Lee
I wasn't aware that arcs of inactive accounts disappeared.
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Quote:That's you reading more into it then what's there. I never claimed to be speaking for anyone but myself.Originally Posted by Talen Lee
So it's the only way, if you choose to eschew the other ways available. Buying more slots is also clearly not intended to grant you more slots.
I know you are at the cap, but you keep speaking as though you are speaking for all the people that there are.
If you think paying $15 a month for three more slots is reasonable go for it. I think it would be a foolish waste of money and not reasonable to the vast majority of players. I can come up with all sorts of unreasonable ways of getting more arc slots, but that was not what I was talking about and I feel you are just trying to be contrary for argument's sake.
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Quote:This seems like spitting hairs. They are the only ways intended to grant you more arc slots. I don't feel that buying a second account and paying a monthly fee just to publish three more arcs is reasonable nor is paying people to host my arcs imo.Originally Posted by Talen Lee
Get another account. Pay a friend some inf to host your stories. Can trial accounts make AE arcs? There's another option. None of which sound great to me, but then, what I like to imagine the intended goal* of AE's small arc maximum is clearly not being adequately met.
They are not the only way to get more slots. They are the only way for someone who has already bought up to the cap and who doesn't want to spend more money for more slots. But your original sentiment was not 'for me, and people like me, this is the only way to get more slots.' It was 'this is the only way to get more slots.'
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Quote:I don't have time to respond to all your comments, but want to point out a misunderstanding you have. I'm not saying that "there are less than a dozen arcs that are better than a great deal HoF arcs." just that there are less than a dozen arcs with over 100 plays while still maintaining a 5 star rating. That's a fact, not an opinion.Originally Posted by Bad_Dog
Although you disagree, you are making my point. You state there are less than a dozen arcs that are better than a great deal HoF arcs. I can agree with that and it shows that just because someone has the plays and the rating doesn't mean the arc is any good. Unless the ratings are based off the devs opinions and no longer in players hands, it can be manipulated. It has and will be, both for and against players. Therefor the rating system is useless for anything other than just dropping a player tickets. And so is the Hall of Fame.
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Quote:I already have eight full slots. Please enlighten me as to other ways to get addtional arc slots other than DC or HoF.Originally Posted by Talen Lee
No they're not.
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Quote:I disagree. Less than a dozen arcs have over 100 plays and are still at 5 stars. Having played all of them personally, several more than once, I can say that they all are very good to excellent arcs that are better than a great many of the earlier DC's and HoF arcs. I do agree though that 5 star rating and many plays is not the sole indicator of a quality arc.Originally Posted by Bad_Dog
....No offense to you Wrong_Number, your arc may indeed be awesome, but the number of plays and number of 5-star ratings do not equal quality.
My husband and I plus one long time in game friend are the only people even remotely active in any of my SG/VGs. What does help is being active in the MA community, though that certainly does not guarantee you a good rating from anyone.Quote:If you have alot of friends, sg members, you'll have a lot of 5-star votes
I've never advertised either of my two highest rated arcs or even asked for reviews of them. I would not know how you would even try to "persuading non-friends to play your arc" nor would I care too, I don't even advertise them. I'm pretty certain that getting random unknown people to play your arc will not ensure a good rating from them and in fact I'd think was awful risky.Quote:If you are good at persuading non-friends to play your arc or use the forums to advertise, you'll have a lot of plays
You will if you are active in the MA community and/or they are on the first few pages or get good word of mouth.Quote:If you aren't worried about any of that but concentrating on writing a masterpiece and then post it, it won't get plays or votes, period.
Have tabs for them has been suggested many times and I agree that would be a good thing.Quote:I don't want them to add anything else to Hall of Fame, Dev's Choice or Guest Authors, they are taking up way too many pages as it is when you launch the interface. Those three need to be deleted or moved from the main page.
I can see you did not read the math I have shown over the last six plus months here or you would know that is an unfounded concern.Quote:It would be far more beneficial to get a new system implemented in hopes we might see people interested in creating arcs again. We certainly don't need potentially dozens more HoF pages because the bar got lowered.
I have spent more hours than I can guess promoting MA as have others. The devs need to get more involved to generate player interest.Quote:If you want to improve AE like many of us do, give them a reason to "fix" AE, not to give you a pass into the HoF because you'll never make the criteria as it stands now. Give them something that brings something to all of us. The more impacted the better. And If you want to know the quickest way to get a change, it's to have us arc builders show them an easy way to generate interest in players who gave up on AE. That can be easy as asking for them to remove all HoF, DC, and Guest Authors and have the entire list randomized when you launch the interface and remove the ratings. It gives everyone a few minutes in the spotlight randomly and provides no one with a reason to give you anything but an honest vote.
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Quote:I agree that both DC and HoF have become pretty meaningless in some ways, but in one critical way they are a key to many of our continuing participation in MA. They are currently the only way to get an additional arc slot. For me this is a deal breaker and I know I'm not alone.Originally Posted by Talen Lee
It's not like DC or HOF even mean anything any more.
Speaking strictly from my personal experience, I have been out arc slots for over five months now. This is despite having an arc with about a dozen recommendations for DC, that has been at 5 stars and stayed there since it's publish day making it the highest rated/most played arc in that time (of course excluding DCs).
It's been a year now since that arc was published, so we can clearly see the maximum number of plays an arc could expect in that time which was 257. In my mind this far exceeds what any existing HoF arc did. All arcs published pre-15 had a giant leg up. To put in perspective what a great advantage this is, there is an arc published during that time pre-15 time that is currently rated 2 STARS and has 199 plays. That's more plays than 99.9% of the arcs published in the last year on an arc rated only 2 stars.
DC has it's own issue which really boils down to the fact that it has been stuck on one person alone to select them. It's not fair to that person, it's not fair to the MA community and it's not how DC was advertised as working.
The lack of arc slots should be addressed. Setting the HoF to a more reasonable number would be easy to do and, at least in my opinion, writing arcs enjoyed by a large portion of the MA player base should be rewarded with more slots. At least it seems to makes sense to me allow people who write arcs players enjoy to write more.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Dalghryn
Since my second arc, Casualties of War, just got griefed, your down to one less five star with over 100 plays.
HoF needs revisiting, rating system needs to be revised, farms and dead wood need to be cleared out, DCs need to be more active, content choices that the devs can use need to be made available... Sometimes I'm not sure why they even bother with the MA.
Don't mind me, just ticked off and ranting.
It's perfectly OK to be ticked off and I totally sympathize. I also agree, as I have said time and time again with all of those suggested changes.
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Seconding the following:
Villain
Unfair Trade #373846 by @Lazarus
Hero
In Pursuit of Liberty #344916 by @Gypsy Rose
Comedy
Outbroken #379017 by @Aehaed
Group
The Crush from The Vengeful Heart #454861 by @Jinkobi
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Today is the one year anniversary of The Golden Age Secret of the Paragon Society.
Back when I was a kid in the 1960's and 70's there was not the amount of reprints there are today. The few that were around were mostly golden age comics and I loved anytime I could get my hands on them. When I wrote this arc my intention was to recreate the classic feeling and style of a golden age comic book story. I feel that I succeeded far beyond my expectations and it seems that the players agree.
In the year since it was published The Golden Age secret of the Paragon Society has received 258 plays while still maintaining it's 5 star rating. This makes it the most successful arc published during that time which amazes me to no end. It also has gotten twelve recommendations for dev's choice spread across all three of the "Recommendation for Dev's Choice" threads,
I want to thank every person who has played this arc and especially those of you that have recommended it to others. It really makes me happy to see my work so enjoyed.
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Thanks for catching this Cap. The MA Arc Finder channel was founded by me the week before MA went live on the servers. It is intended as a cross server MA channel for MA related help, arc promotion and just a place for MA authors/players to hang out. We have last time I checked over 400 members in the channel. So, please join up, we'd love to have you!
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No surprise here at all. Congrats.
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Since no one has mentioned it, if you have not already you should join the MA Arc Finder Channel. It's where most if not all of the MA authors and many of the MA regular players hang. Also, check out the thread here on the MA Super Team. It's something that might interest you and it's a lot of fun.
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I totally support this and anything that promotes MA though as mentioned something to consider is that many of us have no slots left let alone two free. If you are just encouraging new authors to enter, then that should not be a big consideration, but if you want to open it up to more people you may want to allow single arcs.
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Quote:First, I didn't see where you mention Hot List would equal another slot. Second, I'm not clear on what's being taken away by adjusting the level of HoF.Originally Posted by Sumericon
I'm not looking at the lists right now, but if memory serves, all 3 of you, WN, Lazarus, and Dalghryn, have arcs that would be on the What's Hot list so you'd get new slots right off the bat. I don't see the issue here, unless your true intent is to try and take something away from the current HoF authors, regardless of how they achieved it.
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Quote:Have you read through all the data? The ONLY Hof Fame arcs we have were all published in the first two weeks of AE launching in April 09. The closest few left are also from those first two weeks. It's not that it's "gargantuan", it's that it's not possible for arcs not published in the early days of MA. We still have only three post I15 that have over 100 plays 5 stars.Originally Posted by Sumericon
I don't agree with changing the requirements for Hall of Fame. Sure, the 1000+ plays hurdle seems gargantuan in the current AE environment,
I don't think any of us don't want things done by the devs to revitalize MA. Many of us are frequently doing events and whatever we can to promote MA. However, that does not change reality.Quote:but I still have hope that things will be done down the line that will revitalize it. More players means more plays. Dumbing down Hall of Fame as a response to declining interest would strike me as the devs admitting failure and throwing in the towel on resurrecting AE. I don't want that.
Why not make it 10,000 plays or 100,000? Those sound even more epic.Quote:The label "Hall of Fame" itself sounds epic, and getting that many plays while keeping a high rating truly is epic. It's something accomplished over the long (long) term.
Lucky you, I recently deleted an arc with 172 plays because I'm out of slots and have been so for many months. This despite having the only two arcs published in the last year with over 200 plays and still holding on to 5 stars. Check the data, I have another 6-7 YEARS before I will reach HoF. Spoiler Alert - If I have no new arc slots before then I will be long gone. Not because I don't love CoH and especially enjoy MA, but because I'm no longer allowed to participate in MA.Quote:As a DC'd author, I can verify from experience that arcs listed on the first few pages get more plays than those that come after. I'm all for getting more plays for the better arcs, and more slots for the better authors so they can make even more great arcs!
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