Wicked_Wendy

Okay this makes sense and like most the 20 second, max, wait is only a minor annoyance.

But my question now exactly why did the devs feel the need to penalize anyone for dying. I could very easily tag along on a BAF with a brand new 50 + nothing and hide out at the entrance while the league battled .. collecting astrals, emps, threads, XP and even badges /components and never DIE once because I was no where near the battle. Sure I'd probably only get the minimum 10 thread reward but until I had all my powers to teir 2 and wanted to start working on teir 3's .. the only people that would care are the team mates I'd be expecting to work for me. [let me clarify I NEVER team that way.. I will always be in the thick of things and if I die .. I die!].

So the devs put one system in place to ensure people don't benefit from door sitting.. the reward table (and that minimum 10 thread for just being there) and then turn right around and feel the need to somehow PUNISH me if my brand new incarnate with alpha open but not even slotted dies trying to battle level 54. Then they futher complicate the mess by creating a trial where a laser, or whatever its supposed to be, from outer space constantly delivers attack after attack that auto drains at a minimum 50% of any characters health. The set up the lambda so players are forced to totally ignore the mobs firing at them while the race against the clock to find and take out all of the glowies.. and squishies spend as much time running back and forth from the hospital as they do in the warehouse or lab.

I don't even do the Keyes trial anymore because its annoying and even done right always seems like a cluster ... to me. Lambdas.. I do until in open up the powers and then it depends on the character. My tanks, scrappers, SoA and even a few controllers .. will join one in a heart beat. My defenders and blasters don't go near them if they don't need to. But if i am participating in any trial I will give 100% all the time and if that means I die then so be it! That's called being a team player in a game geared toward team play.. so some DEV decided they needed to PUNISH us for that.. that's Brilliant (NOT) lol

I don't know Zombie its all a grey area to me so I usually try to avoid it completely. Take your rule # 4 [keeping Comic Culture forum related to comic culture]. Okay now I know for a fact that people start thread here and discuss movies and tv. Okay a thread on the now cancelled show "The Cape' I could see .. its about a guy who becomes a super hero or a thread discussing movies like Thor or Captain America. But I have seen threads on the show "Chuck" about a guy working as a spy for the cia.. and this is related to the comic culture .. HOW! LOL


Now I fully understand them not wanting other MMOs discussed in great detail .. like you said that's almost like allowing advertising for a rival on your own servers.. that's beyond bad business practice It's insane

No no .. look Do the mission at level 10 and get costume #2, then do the costume missions at 20, 30 and 40..and turn in your Halloween salvage. you now have 6 slots open for free.. Now go buy 4 (not five) slots .. why waste the points!

Okay first of all a zone event has absoluetly nothing to do with I trials, Sutter's TF or just about anything else besides.. the zone event. Sorry you had a misreable time but Zwilliger did one a week or so ago on VIRTUE and we all had a blast..Warwalkers (GM) variety and Hamidon seeds stretched across half of Talos leading to Founders Falls. From there we hit Eden and then the Hive where Zwill himself joined us in taking down the Hamidon.

Did I die a couple times.. sure but I spent a lot more time destroying IDF and Hamidon spawns than rezzzing and resting and I didnt hear a soul complaining.

If you don't enjoy a ZONE event.. leave and play in another zone or just wait it out until it passes. The event I spoke of in Talos probably only lasted half an hour before it moved on the Eden and then the Hive. There is no zone event that i know of that offers up huge XP rewards.. the Rikti invasions don't and neither do the Zombies. People do them for the badges, the accoldade (Rikti), the costume piece (zombies) and just to do something different that is fun. It's been a while but i was fortunate enough to be on line for, I believe, the 5th anniversay event. (someone can correct me if I have that wrong). Every giant monster in game roamed from zone to zone along with, depending on red or blue side, Recluse and all of his lieutenants (BLUE) or Statesman and all the Signature heroes (RED). Huge teams formed and followed along until we all had every single badge available. At one point there were three Krunos Titans just off shore on Peregrine Island and we attacked and took them all down.. I think it was 3 or maybe 4 Winter Lords appeared at once in Steel Canyon. It was like nothing they have ever done before or since. I am so glad I was home that day.

So that would mean....

WE ARE NUMBER ONE ! YAY!

I say we through a huge party and invite everyone.. to make it easier we should hold it in an alternate universe where we'd all be only 1 centimeter high. It will make it easier to find a place big enough for the party and the dance floor won't be nearly as crowded.

It does make you wonder though.. if there were that many Atlas parks imagine the number of RWZs with incarnate trials running non stop. WOW

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The OP doesn't want to run a farm He wants to sit inside one while other people level for him. I occasionally hooked up with a good farmer in PI that used to do the Freakshow map.. the OP is the low level guy sitting with his mentor, back when that was required, at the mission entrance and complaining because we weren't killing stuff fast enough. When that particular run ended and I got the level I wanted before bed I quit the team but not before I sent a tell to THAT player and told him exactly what I thought of him.

Edit: almost forgot THAT farmer kicked said loud mouthed ungrateful low level off his farm and from what I heard never let the guy near his farm missions again. The morale of the story boys and girls is don't bite the hand that offers you easy xp and Inf.. You may get your neck snapped in return!

Okay not a match I want anything to do with. I have seen ZWIL's powers. He is the ultimate mastermind.. The Rwz suddenly filled with Winterlords and their minons.. the candy canes flowed like water. Talos flooded with Hamidon Seed and GM level Warwalkers! And what I'm supposed to show up with my SD/SS tank and try battling that... LOL

The man can make it rain zombies and snow Rikti Drop ships and let's not forget the ultimate power.. he can suppress all of ours LOL

Okay is Positron listening.... When can we get clowns as minons

Ummm same applies for the incarnate trials.. If you join a league you HAVE to be in the same zone as the leader for the trial to begin. If you enter the Queue you can be just about anywhere, SG bases and inside a mission being exceptions, and will be automatically teleported into the trial. lol I have done both since DFB began.. joined teams forming in Atlas park or just hit the LFG and let the game find me a team..

One small draw back. Not sure if the guy was trying to solo the trial or everyone else had just given up on beating the Hydra. I said i was willing to join a trial in progress and discovered all the villain groups were defeated and 1 guy was in the final chamber trying to beat 2 hydra heads.. I quit and left him to his pursuit.. or insanity LOL whichever applies!

/SIGNED My new SJ/WP Big Bad Bud is at level 21 now and has been fantastic.. Hey I even managed to kick my own butt during the last mission of Posi part 1 (SOLO!)

As already mentioned it depends on exactly what you want from your debuffer.. Defenders do get higher numbers and powers sooner but Trollers tend to solo a little easier and throw other things into the mix

I tend to agree that Rad and DM are hands down the two best debuffers in game. I think Rad has a slight edge because on incarnate trials (the BAF in particular) I can debuff BOTH Siege and Nightstar at the same time.. one gets Radiation Infection and the other Enervating Field. Now for a solo Av.. DM is amazing because even my heal debuffs and my rez is a powerful tool the disorients just about anything. If you are playing with me you better have awakes if you die because as fast as Howling twilight recharges I will be using it again.

Now my favorite is my Rad/Rad defender.. not only do the primaries debuff but every single attack also has a -DEF when it hits. essentially even my attacks are debuffing.

For Controllers I go with my Plant/Rad .. All that debuff and a ton of holds and immobs .. its not all debuff but if it can't move and its a melee NPc it can't damage anything. My plant Rad never has a problem finding a incarnate trial and she is amazing on the prisoner escape portion. Melee characters love that the minons at least wind up helpless while they pound on them. Then, as mentioned previously, I debuff both AVs during the final battle!

Don't stop yet... my Mastermind.. Bots/DM. .. lots of damage so you contribute that way and you still have a great debuff set.

And why are we leaving out ..corruptors. They have access to Rad and DM and also have all the blaster sets including Dark and Rad which debuff.

Plenty of good things to pick from in this thread so pick one and enjoy!

I hope you didn't JUST realize that. LOL Last weekend I was in Talos and the man had Hamidon Seeds stretched from the train station all the way to Founders Falls and I forget how far in the other direction. Then more in FF and finally.. in the Hive. Oh he threw in numerous IDF and Warwalker GMs too. Hmmm come to think of it.. that was FUN. and he's evil because..... me is confused.

[see i figure if I butter him up he might talk] Oh dang I shouldn't have posted that huh

I understand what you mean Bill and if an experienced players prefers to use AE to avoid old boring content I am fine with it. But you and I both know what some of those brand new AE'ers were like after the mission archetect came out and things like the infamous Rikti Comm Officer farm emerged and allowed them to level without learning how to play the game.. even even get around in the city.

I joined a Manticore TF and one of them decided to join. I am not exagerating when I say that for 5 minutes we tried to direct this individual on how to get to the train station in Atlas Park, BIG SUPRISE, and have him arrive in Brickstown so we could start. Finally the leader gave up kicked the guy and we did the TF with 7 instead of 8.

If you know what your doing and have seen it all a thoudand times. fine play whatever you like and enjoy yourself. If your brand newfor your own sake, as well as those that may have to play with you later, do the tutorial missions and actually play outside of AE. Then you wont find yourself a 50 level asking for directions to Steel Canyon cause someone told you there was a tailor shop there and you could do a special mission and earn a 2nd outfit BUT you can't see Steel anyon on your Atlas Park map anywhere.. LOL THAT is a true story. Some guy actually said that in BROADCAST and you can imagine the responses he got!

I consider it casual because of the time required.. 4 sewer trials.. 1 and one half hours. Even the most casual players can usually find an hour or two a day/week/ or whatever to make it on line and play. Posi one took me a total of 51 minutes.. Posi 2 1:19:00 .. even combined that's just over 2 hours and if done on different days again even a very casual player could easily find the time to complete them. And keep in mind I did mention this was not done in one long 4.5 to 4 hour time frame. I did the trials with a couple SG friends on one friday evening (an entire 90 minutes of play time .. along with time before and after BSing LOL). and the two back to back Posi TFs were done the following Saturday afternoon. I hardly see either of those as excessive amounts of time on line and in game.

LOL Yes GOB I realize my plan required the horror of Synapse but then again compared to the torture that once was Positron before the fix, and yeah I have played long enough to have suffred through that ordeal, Synapse is a walk in the park. Keep in mind I have also done Doc Q in the shadow shard.. all other TFs pale before the tedium that is DOC Q! Now come one really it's just 3 straigh, almost identical kill alls, followed by one of my favorite in game chores .. a patrol and then another kill all. After that you can actuallu stealth missions.. if your still awake! Besides i like having the TF commander accolade so almost all of my characters endure Synapse.. ONCE!

How is running 4 straight Death from Below trials different than sitting in the AE building and doing the same farm mission over and over and over. Well let's see...

1. I'm doing actual authorized approved content from NC Soft that doesn't, in some way, violate the EULA and doesn't require me to sneak around and use "code words" when discussing it to avoid anyone discovering what I do and reporting me. In other words I didn't create a "special" AE mission that I had to give a special name and hope the Devs looking for farms or MARTY didn't catch and remove forcing me to start over finding another way around the restrictions so I can load another mission up with bosses to kill so I can get 5 or more levels per run.

2. Aside from obtaining levels quickly, which is no different that the AE farms OR the old sewer runs in ATLAS which the trial is based on, I did them to obtain the 4 buffs I mentioned which have added me in the other things I have done with the character since my damage output, accuracy, defenses and recharge were increased.

3. After obtaining all 4 buffs and the three available badges, which I got on the very first trial, I didn't continue to run the same trial again and again until I was a level 20, 30, 40 or whatever . .. I moved on to other things. This same question could be applied to why do I do the same Incarnate trials over and over.. Answer because they are the only ones available and I am trying to get my all of my incarnate characters to a point where they have all tier 4's slotted. When new trials or at some point solo incarnate content emerges I will do those as well.

4. At least until around level 5 or 6 the only other alternative is the new tutorial arcs that have completely replaced the old arcs from the likes of Azuria. I ran those on Test and while they do a decent job of showing a brand new player how to play the game I have been here for going on 6 years. I don't need a mission that requires me to find the train station and take a "ride" to King's Row. The Trials or street hunting are the only other alternatives and .. the whole point of this thread was .. there are ways to get through the 1-20 levels without camping in AE.

5. I enjoy teaming and at the moment even 50 (+X) players have been known to show up to try out the new sewer trial. Also for what may be the first time the LFG feature is working... it is possible to simply join the queue and in a short amount of time, without the need to advertise or send tells, find yourself on a team inside the mission!

I sort of figured this thread might start up the old flames.. Look I don't care HOW you play the game. I play it the way I enjoy and if you are perfectly happy living in the AE building from 1-50 and doing the same few missions again and again.. Have fun. Personally I get very tired of doing repeats. While I do a lot of I Trials I frequently take entire weeks off from them and play my lower level characters because i just can't do another BAF or Lambda run. My point to this was simple.. A lot of players say, or at least claim, that the only reason they farm their characters is because the old content was too slow and they had seen it all too many times. They hated the lower levels and wanted to get through them quickly and on to more interesting content at higher levels. Well I took a brand new toon and in less than 4 hours of actual in game time she is now 1 bar away from level 20. That's 4 hours of play time scattered over 2 seperate days and my character is just about ready to do her cape and 2nd costume mission and head off to Talos. Essentially I could skip the dreaded Synapse completely and after a radio mission or two to hit 20 level head to IP and run a nice quick Sister Psyche and get a couple levels and I just did a Moonfire on a different character that took exactly 1 hour and 2 minutes to complete and that character went from 23 to 25 level. So .. it's very possible I could run those two and in 3 and a half more hours of play time be a level 25. In short it is quite possible that I can get my toon from level 1 to 25 in 8 hours or less of play time scattered over 3-4 days.

And now.. back to playing the game .. Let the flame war continue LOL

Okay the first problem I have with threads like this is... We are playing a game. I understand there are problems out there with the education system but I have actually seen posts on these forums where someone said one of the criteria that they use in picking team mates is "correct use of the english language and correct spelling". We have players from all over Europe and for many English is, as mentioned above, not their first language. Also while I play on Virtue and rarely see times when team building is a huge problem I have seen post here from players on other, less populated, servers complaining about the difficulty in finding teams or team mates. Are we really willing to pass on a player that MAY play the game exceptionally well simply because they didn't spell a few words right or use the proper phrasing in a sentance.

Then in the post above Prof mentions SPELL CHECK... I'm sorry did I miss that patch somehow. I don't recall any portion of this game that allows me to spell check my tells, broadcast or even the text I may usein creating a story in AE. And since I have neither the time or desire to draft everything I type in word and then run a spell and grammar check before cutting and pasting.. I know for a fact I have posted some really interesting lines of gibberish in game during a battle and even when just standing around chatting. Sadly I admit that years of reliance on spell check have degraded my spelling skills and I was never the greatest english student so my grammer is not always perfect... But I have 5 and a half years of play time and there isn't a task force, strike force or trial I haven't completed successfully.. many of them multiple times. I have 30 Fifty level characters scattered over 2 account and have played just about every AT there is to level 50. Now did you want me or some noobie on your master of run!

Don't get me wrong I H8 L33t speak as much as anyone and my eyes roll when I see anyone broadcasting they are looking for a H3AL0R or advertsing they are one BUT .. aside from the blaringly obvious posts that leave you wondering just how old that person actually is .. are we playing a game or taking a PHD english course.

As for acronyms ... The vast majority of the player base, myself included,uses them to speed things along and I see no problem with that either. and yes I have seen posts here by people that hate them. YEAH right like you never posted 40 level Blaster LFT or STF LFM. Now if my 16 year old is messing up her home work with bad spelling or bad grammer I am going to do something about it. If a player in game, myself included, typos a word or two in a broadcast.. WHO CARES! and if you do maybe you need to find an on line game that focuses on the proper use of the english langauge not one that's about super heroes and super villians. LOL try to relax and have fun.

Look I am not trying to start a flame war.. lord knows enough of those break out here anyway. What I was pointing out is I am not some Blue sider that has barely ever even seen red side and just wants everything NOW.

I used that example because frankly I think they put a lot more time, effort and good thought into the design of RED side. And when I see something stupid blue side I can site examples of how much better it is when I am playing a villain..

ZONES... remember I started back before anyone on either side knew what a raptor pack was let alone had one. When I crossed over, out of necessity, and started playing heroes I couldn't believe every single stupid contact I had would send me running to the train because if you were LUCKY they might actually have 1 or 2 missions in the same zone they were standing in. Blue side has far too many zone and while I will miss Galaxy City.. I'd be very happy to see Skyway disapper as well, along with IP.... for every one zone that handles a set of levels Red side for some reason they felt the need to have 2 Blue side and half of them rarely see anyone unless a TF or contact from THE OTHER ZONE makes them go there. Red side has no goofy under used hazard zones.. Since radio missions arrived almost no one lives in the hollows these days and very few ever hit Perez or Boomtown except to badge or if a specific mission forced them to go there.


Epics.. I have learned, finally, to love and enjoy my warshade but I can promise you I will never see a PB to level 50.. I have 3 SoA and every one of them is a 50 (+3). I like the options they afford me better, enjoy the powers they have much more (I have SoAs that never even took a patron power because I wanted more of what was available in my primary and secondary). And of course, story line or not, my SoAs don't have an entire race of bounty hunters showing up where ever they go trying to kill them with special weapons that at lower levels can take em down with 1 or 2 shots.. and on teams I don't need to apologize, not that I every do, for the Crystals that appear and need to be destroyed before the entire team wipes.

PvP access.. okay I am NOT a pvper but can anyone explain to me why .. A 50 level villain that wants to go to Recluse's Victory walks inside Recluse's HQ and goes through the portal in GRANDVILLE but a 50 level hero has to run all the way back to Atlas Park.. where he or she arrived as a one or two level to get in. My Villain want to go to Warburg.. She heads to St Martial .. a hero wants in there they head to King's Row.. DUH!

Contacting contacts.. with very few excpetions, leonard being one grrr, just about every villain contact will give you a phone number and you can start getting missions from them that way after 1 maybe 2 missions tops. hero side I have had some contacts that I have finished an entire arc before they FINALLY decided i was trustworthy enough to have their phone number. All goes back to that what other way can we think of to make them waste time thing I mentioned.. I just finished the mission the contact in Steel Canyon gave me here in perez park Now I get to run all the way back to Steel .. so they can give me a new mission in ATLAS PARK.. ggrrrrr I just ran through there on the way back to Steel! lol and until higher levels even before a contact red side gives you a phone number.. they are still sitting in the same zone! You may need to run back there but you don't need to take 2 ferry trips just to get near them.

There are a ton of things that heroes have I wish villains did but the basic design of the Rogue Isles makes so much more sense than Paragon City I sometime use what I see and LIKE there to point out flaws on the other side.. since I have grown to enjoy being blue side as well.

Ummm I play both Heroes and Villians and wasn't trying to make any sort of red vs blue issue. The fact is that more often then not, unless they don't have one available at the time, people don't even bother with the -1 you suggest. They simply take the stupid mission, they hit auto complete, and go on about their business. Or lets take the case of the mission from Grey Falcon in PI.. no one goes in and defeats all those Rikti.. well I won't say no one.. there may be some that do. But the majority that realize that all they need to do to complete is find the glowie and click it.. do exactly that and never battle a single thing. And how many people actually run out and defeat 30 Nemesis to earn their 4th costume from the tailor in FF.. or do they take it, auto complete and then get on with designing their new outfit!

Is it unfair that heroes get handed their epics while villians have to work for them ..NO not one bit. Then again Like you i actually enjoy most of those arcs anyway and it is another arc and another chance for merits so I am not that concerned. NOW you want to talk a real issue.. lets talk about the disparity in earning reward merits. How many TFs do heroes have as compared to villain SFs. And while villains start getting awarded merits for completing arcs a bit sooner.. almost all their arcs are shorter and award a lot less. Things got a little "fairer" (if that even applies) when Posi was split and stopped awarded a ton of them to anyone over level 10. But a hero can quickly accumulate a lot more merits just running TFS while a villian is stuck doing tiny arcs for 2 or 3 merits again and again and again.

Lets talk about the Midnighter club.. Heroes can start the arc and gain access to the club at level 10 and begin day jobbing there.. allowing them to earn accolades that allow them to heal and rez team mates. Villains can't enter as members until level 30. Something I have also pointed out here in the past.. with no sucess in swaying anyone to change it.

Would you like me to continue....I STARTED on COV going on 6 years ago and only began playing heroes because my old PC couldn't deal with the lag after they added Grandville. my name here on the forums is the name of the first character I ever played and enjoyed .. My merc/dev MasterMind. I have 18 50 + level incarnate and 5 of those are Villains/Rogues and all belong to the same VG which I run. the rest are scattered between 3 hero SGs.

Find out a bit more about a person before you start accusing them of playing favorites. MY favorite character, and my badger/main is my SoA Crab and I earned the right to create her by leveling another villain to 50 level.. not 20!

And I stand by my suggestion.. all those missions are is busy work to make it take longer for us to get what we need and get back to the game. It's left over junk from when Cryptic and JACK where here and they felt the need to find anything to slow us down or we might get to 50 and get bored and quit. RIGHT jack and I now have 29 fifty levels on Virtue, and counting, and have been playing for over 5 and a half years.. so much for the validity of that idea.

Heheh like so many other things in game! I agree