Warhamster

Please go back and review my original post. The comment was made with the understanding that new players were being 2 shotted. What new player understands the "Simple Stalker avoidance formula." What new player understands he "shouldn't have been standing there."

You never saw a a regen 2 shotted by a EM stalker pre i13? Did you even play the game back then? That was an everyday occurance. My build had 46% damage bonus BEFORE BU. BU, AS, ET, dead. It simply sounds like you have forgotten just how much damage AS used to do after a BU pop on the standard damage builds back then.

Bloody Bay is not the topic of this conversation so that comment is a wash.

Arena comment irrelevent to RV zone conversation, next please.

So funny. So your SO'd 1200 hit point blaster in RV do just fine vs say an IO'd out 1550 hp mind/fire dom? No problems with a 4 sec kb every 10 secs that could be easily avoided with stacked kb IO's? No problem for your 1100 hit point SO'd mind/fire dom vs a 1600 capped hit point kb proof blaster who can continue to pump out more damage than you can while he's held? Honestly, are you trolling here or was this a serious comment? To say a SO'd toon can compete at even a "good enough" level is laughable. The gap between a SO'd build and IO'd build is still monstrously huge. Probably much larger than the devs actually hoped for as an end result of DR.

I invested just over 600 mil 3 weeks ago, and made just under 2 billion net profit as of yesterday. People simply are unwilling to spend 30 mins or more of their time each day working the Black Market. I've actually offered friends my time to SHOW them exactly how to do this first hand and they declined. People like their farming comfort zone. It's as easy 30 mins a day (though the more time you invest the more money you will make), buy low sell high, seriously.

The emps roll in zone is no longer the heal spam that it was pre i13. I think anyone that understands the new system fully knows that by now. You can effectively provide the spike target with 100% of his health back, at which point its time to change to a disruption roll. Debuff, hold, knockback, and target phase, ect. These are the new protection tools at the emps disposal, which make the game significantly more fun for me as a healer. Now there is no longer any pressure on the healer to do nothing but heal. Not to mention I get to think through the suppression times as I pointed out in the last post. A healer is no longer just a healer/buffer, thank god.

I personally enjoy the offensive tog drops on my toons that have them. Now a hold is a hold. A target can get held by a dom, and AS'd by a none vet stalker as that stalker now has a few seconds to AS that target. At the very least as a secondary effect a tog is dropped further increasing the value of the already undervalued non damage dealer in the new i13 PvP. Are you honestly saying you want to reduce the effectiveness of say a controller, defender, or widow? Prior to this change anyone worth their salt was watching their buff/debuff bar and popping break frees accordingly. The only AS's going off where the from the pro's who understood running AS. What's so funny is even WITH this change the new stalkers are still just sharking, and very rarely does my blaster get AS'd. Perhaps these new players will over time come to understand their roll.

What lol. I have a brute with just SS and escaping with just that is a freaking nightmare compared to my SJ equipped toons.

So you're saying you enjoyed auto escape feature that pre i13 offered? I would contend that no movement suppression was 'dumb.' Evasion pre i13 was cake to the point that it was in fact not even evasion. You simply turned, and super jump away from the danger. Activation time on any power used on you stopped that pursuer long enough that as long as you were slotted correctly, that enemy could no longer catch you, period. You could have had 3 people chasing you, the situation applied to all 3. As long as you kept moving in straight lines, you were safe. You found the no commitment PvP fun? All I can say is I'm glad the devs agreed with my opinion and the PvP movement restrictions of every other mainstream mass market MMO and fixed that garbage.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. I pointed out why the heal suppression is actually good now IMO based on my play time with my therm now vs then for RV play and supported that argument as you asked originally, and you counter with…kill the healer. Also, who's complaining here. I like the changes and you don’t, so its certainly not me.
Under the i12 rules no, a full team of players could not break a stalkers hide refresh forever. Remember, you simply turned, and super jump away from the danger. Activation time on any power used on you stopped that pursuer long enough that as long as you were slotted correctly, that enemy could no longer catch you, period. You could have had 3 (or 8 for that matter) people chasing you, the situation applied to all of them. As long as you kept moving in straight lines, you were safe. It was simple game mechanics man, and they sucked. It had nothing to do with how many people you had, if the stalker could survive 1 attack from each of those players he was away and safe and no longer in danger. No T9 needed.

So you're saying that dying 1-3 times in a 4 hour play period should not be considered nearly impossible to kill? lol You misunderstood my comment, go back and look at it. I was referring to MY stalker and the success he had in RV. Pretty cut and dry stuff.
It doesn’t take a great connection, just a computer that doesn't run on steam power like apparently many people still have and use considering the complaints about lag. (I never have any)

"Cheat" lol. We're talking about ZONE PvP here son. If you're not using EVERYTHING you have access to, well what can I say but nice to meet you Fight Club Honor Man.
Wait, so with regards to green pops, you realize you just pointed out a benefit of heal suppression right? After your original post generalized heal suppression as the devil? You just supported my argument, did that go right over your head? Lol

Please post again, I love beating up on people.

I'm sure server transfers do play into this. However all I can go from is the population of RV on the 2 servers I play on, Freedom and Pinnacle, and both are regularly 2-3x's the turnout what they were prior to i13 so shrug. I can say with certainty that the current numbers in RV are not comparable to pre i13, not even close. I can speak with authority on this matter because, literally, all I do is RV PvP in this game, close to every night, for 3 years now. While the overall PvP population for CoX may have decreased due to the arena player losses, that’s not what this discussion is about. This is about zone population now vs then.

Perhaps I should have clarified my original statement regarding 2 shotting new players. 2 shotting a Scrapper was ridiculous and happened all the time. Based on server ticks the scrapper had 2-3 seconds reaction time to pop greens/heal or he was dead, even after the ET nerf. Or the funniest thing ever was the uber gimp BU, AS, lunge kill with activation times so fast the squishy target literally could not heal through it to live. Thankfully the only way to 2 shot someone now is a BU AS followed by a placated attack, and that’s ONLY if the target has no hp bonuses from accolades or IOs. That is significantly more time involved that the instantly down target insanity that existed before.

You certainly are right about one thing, there are way more unforgiving mechanics, however they are not current, but go back to pre i13. All the new rules you mentioned are irrelevant when compared to the wall new players ran into when instantly dying. Wondering in to RV with a dominator to see what this PvP thing is? You see a blaster, and 2 pretty flashes later 3 attacks from 120 feet away come flying your way and you drop dead, with no reaction time at all. The player is wondering "what just happened? I didn't even have time to press a button." Same goes for a stalker as discussed above. Heck, even an experienced squishy player in RV knew it was time to run when they saw those nasty little flashes. Now, any AT can have a bit of a scrap, trade blows, and perhaps still die to that blaster (likely), but they got in some attacks. The new rules don’t come into effect for a new player until they are willing to stay in the zone long enough to understand they even exist. A lower damage scale and high base resist now allows a new player time to experience what PvP is all about, competition and the excitement that comes with that. While that time may be short, he'll at least get a taste of it now.

This is an easy one, as I've had this conversation recently. Thanks for the 'good luck' comment, now lets have a big boy conversation.


**DR:

Why is DR such an issue for people. To you honestly believe that SO'd toons can compete with a fully IO'd equivalent in the current RV environment? If you do, you need to get more game time in. So the overall effect was reduced through DR, all it does is take down the advantage a few notches. It doesn't change the fact that there is STILL a massive gap between the SO'd and IO'd builds effectiveness. Personally I've noticed this grumbling only from people who have no understanding of how easy it is to make billions in just weeks on the black market.

**Mez:

The changes to mez finally fixed the retarded feast or famine feel that dominators went through with holds. A high recharge/hp/acc build was ether in domination and eating people with no buffs/break frees or offering nothing at all to the team when facing stacked clear mind. At least a troller brought debuffs/buffs to the table as well, doms literally had nothing to offer when faced with that situation.

**Removal of -Max Run Speed

All editions going back for years now have put the emphasis on combat jump for its unsuppressed movement, and super jump for ease of fighting mobility and escape. The vast majority of serious players have had super speed in their build really only to counter webnades and other -jump powers, not for traveling around the map. Super speed suffers from suppression far more than any other travel power at the moment, so why is it any big surprise that they are keeping away from a heavy dose of -Max Run Speed? Its already the worst travel power in the game for basic pvp escape (not including the webnade issue where it is the standard requirement) Why make it potentially worthless in all other situations as well? The advantage of -movement in this game has always been to mess up SJ/CJ anyway, so why is this even an issue?

**Suppression and heal decay:

I12's skilless organized zone heal spam is no longer possible in the current environment. Now after 3-4 heals, the target needs to phase, or if that is down, actually use strategy like (heaven forbid) LoS breaks to provide the healer, who now actually has to count down in his head the end of the heal suppression time, instead of mashing 1 button over and over, enough time for the heals to go back to being effective. My dom uses evasion strategies all the time around buildings. My therm finds this far more enjoyable than the past heal spam, as I actually have to THINK to keep track of which toons are on heal suppression and if I should actually heal a few hundred points of damage which would start suppression, or just wait and see if they turn out to be a real spike target or not, instead of just reacting to damage and pressing one button.

movement suppression makes sence in a zone environment. Without it in i12, on my worst nights with the stalker, I may have died 1-3 times, after raking in dozens of kills. Best nights I could go for 4-5 hours with a massive kill count and no deaths at all. No heal suppression, stealth IO, and invis = virtually impossible to kill stalkers, even for large groups of players after the player. All this back in the day with 10 sec hide as well. Under the new system, even with a lower 8 sec hide refresh, a few attacks landing is all it takes to slow you enough for a group to close in and finish you off, which IMO is how it should be. Do we have to get into how great blasters were with PFF at surviving? Have 3+ people gunning for you while running solo? You ether have phase up or you should be dead, simple as that. Thankfully this game is more forgiving that every other MMO out there regarding pickup play and survival, however it was to the toon of stupidity the way i12 allowed certain toons a close to unkillable status.

In RV pre i13 I was also able to heal over 6000 points of damage in under 10 seconds with standard green inspirs. (it always blows me away that people don’t use hotkeys for all 5 inspiration slots) I could then easily escape with capped jump movement that was never suppressed, find a pillbox, die in around 10 seconds, drop to my base, load up on greens, and be back in zone in 45 seconds (including load times) with another full tray. It may have been FUN for me, but it certainly wasn’t for the poor slubs that worked so hard to kill me then were shut down.