Vitality

Originally Posted by Call Me Awesome

How long did it take? I'm guessing probably close to 20-30 minutes? In any case it's a nice accomplishment. From what I've seen most tankers are just barely above the sustained DPS to overcome an AV's regen; the challenge becomes keeping enough recovery to sustain the damage output.

Originally Posted by DSorrow

Nice!

What attack chain do you use and how long did the fight take? I'm interested because I might give it a shot on my Ice/SS.

Originally Posted by Postagulous

I've been having end trouble so I keep IW off but use it as a break-free. I was thinking I'd just do the same with SoW...but since reading I've come across a guide that says SoW isn't worth taking. Your response seems to echo that.

And thanks everyone for making this a really informative thread for me. I don't care if it says I joined in 2006, I've only been playing about a month.

Originally Posted by Postagulous

I have a dual blade/wp scrap and so far I'm liking him. And now I have a few questions as he's leveling fast.

1. Kick from Fighting or Jump Kick from Leaping, will they cause redraw on my swords?

2. If I go with Fighting, I'll get two more toggles, Tough and Weave. With WP I already have 4 toggles with MoB, IW, RttC, and HS [though I'm not sure how much I'll use that, and I'll stop with IW once I get SoW]. All total that's 6 toggles. Granted I'm getting QR and Stamina ASAP and slotting them with the three IOs [another question is whether I need to supplement those with SOs too]. If I turned them all on, would my end drop just standing there?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Originally Posted by dave_p

I thought it was being split in 3? BTW, I stopped at book 7, but would recommend stopping at 6.

Scrappers are versatile. They are the fullbacks & TEs on O who can block, run with or catch the ball. They are safeties and LBs on D who can protect against the run or pass.

Tankers are the big uglies. DL and OL.

Blasters are "skill" positions. WR, RB (blappers) & Corner. They're specialized, but the best are also versatile and can block and play run support.

Controller's the QB. They direct the action from far back, relying on the tankers & scrappers for protection, blasters for "scoring", but the really good ones can scramble & score on their own just fine.

Defenders are the backup QB that half the fanbase thinks should really be starting, but rarely gets the big Nike endorsements or supermodel GFs.

Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn

Except that Maneuvers is a very weak buff to your Defense, whereas Weave is a bigger buff. Weave is over twice the Def buff that Maneuvers is, and takes less endurance to run.

Originally Posted by Harkness

Personally, I think Maneuvers is a bad power for a tank. You're not there to buff the team, you're there to draw all of the aggro and survive it. There might be a strong argument for Weave in your build, but not Maneuvers.

Originally Posted by NeonPower

please explain my ignorance...

plus, apparently you break your pinky toe all the time. Just bandage link it to the toe next to it and you'll be fine to run arround all day =D

Originally Posted by NeonPower

Yeah, rugby beats american football, Real men arn't worried about getting into a scrum with other men, were not worried about breaking our nails on the SMALLER ball!!!!



Hokey is on ice, and hokey players like to beat the bajebus out of each other, it's a little different to breaking your pinky toe, making a meal of it, then not being able to play for a few months =P

ps: Rugby rules!!

Originally Posted by Nihilii

My scrappers aren't sissies so they play rugby.

American football... Pfft. Why do you wear armor to play sports real men do with nothing but their shirt ?

Originally Posted by Call Me Awesome

I've played tankers at one time or another with every one of the travels. For my money it really comes down to personal preference... with the exception of Stone tanks. There you're pretty well locked into TP.

In my experience the travel power you choose has zero effect on your tanking ability. Bad tanks are simply bad tanks, their travel power has nothing to do with it. I've used fly to range tank some AV's who can't fly... one example would be Romulus in the ITF... get close so Invincibility aggro's the puffballs, then fly up a few feet to get the healer out of Romy's range and taunt him. Just don't forget to occasionally dip down so that he gets a chance to swing at you or he'll run away.

CJ is good for 2.5% defense to all so it's certainly a valid choice and the mobility can be handy but it's hardly the only choice. Super Speed is also useful for getting around in a mission. In the final analysis any player should pick whatever travel power THEY like best; all of them have pluses and minuses. Again, this is excepting Stone tanks who really need TP for their best functionality.

Looking over my melee characters I have:

• 3 Super Jumpers
• 2 Fliers
• 2 Super Speeders
• 2 Teleporters (both Stone tanks)

Just pick one and have fun, don't stress over "I should've taken X"

Originally Posted by Postagulous

RE: Builds

Nothing wrong with those. Looks good. Style of play is the only thing that would change one thing over another.

I would put stamina off as we have QR, but both is better. Depending on how things are working with QR, I might skip Fitness totally. Though Health might be good. I can just think of other pool things I'd rather have early, fighting.

Originally Posted by Postagulous

As long as you don't take Handclap and some of the other turds*, you have leeway with slots, but until the late 38s there's no room for goofing about if you want your core powers. And there's around 15 core powers.

*and though the consensus is that Punch is a turd, I took it because I didn't want to stand around waiting for Jab to come up. Though I see you took it too.

Originally Posted by Finduilas

Oh, if *that's* the case, take Air Sup/Fly instead. Air Sup can take the place of one of your SS attacks, like Punch or Haymaker.

Honestly, unless you really want to use Hover in battle, don't bother with it. You can easily make up the lost defense with set bonuses. The same goes double for Manuevers, since it has a relatively high endurance cost for the defense benefit it gives.

Originally Posted by dave_p

I've taken flight for melee toons for concept and always regretted it (which is to say, it got in the way of actual gameplay). Thank goodness for Raptor Packs and dual builds.

My WP/SS is of the Superman mold. In one build, I take SS & Flight, LBE & Energy Torrent (super breath), and is less effective and a bit of a PotA to play compared to my 2nd build w/Leaping & Fireball. But then concept counts for a lot too, so again, thank goodness for dual builds.

Originally Posted by Postagulous

Good, then I"m not crazy. Or we both are.

I haven't planned out the rest of the slotting fully. Really depends on what sets I'm going to do and I plan a respec around 30, rearranging for whichever set is best.

Though I don't think that Sprint could benefit with any set, unless someone wanted to speed their flight too, and I'm not sure there's a set like that.