Vitality

Originally Posted by Shard_Warrior

So put enhancements in it and use it the way it was intended to be used.

Originally Posted by Miss_Freeze_NA

So.... you want to just stand there using unenhanced powers on a boss? This is by far the most idiotic excuse I have ever seen as a "reason" to make a change to a power.

Originally Posted by brophog02

That's irrelevant. You're not doing your homework, because if you did you'd see all of the mag 3 stun powers out there, and notice a dearth of mag 4 stun powers. You'd also have the least bit of a clue how powersets are balanced.

I'll just tell you, since we're 40 posts in and you still REFUSE TO DO ANY WORK IN YOUR OWN SUGGESTIONS thread.

We might as well rename it the "Vitality was too lazy to actually make a real suggestion thread".

Single Target Stun Powers that are mag 3:

Taser
Stun
Beanbag
Stunning Arrow
Screech
Scramble Thoughts

It's pretty simple, had you done any work at all for this thread: Single Target stuns are generally Mag 3, AOE stuns are generally Mag 2.

Originally Posted by Shard_Warrior

Your whole summation here shows you've no idea how terrorize works. With multiple applications of ToF, a boss can still attack you and has a chance to do damage to you. Multiple applications of a stun will render said boss completely useless. They are unable to attack at all and have zero chance to do damage to you.

Originally Posted by Miss_Freeze_NA

That is totally not true. The Fear effect from ToF can be dropped from the damage from your following attack. The Boss, while feared, still has a chance to attack you and do further damage to you. A stunned boss can not attack you and thereby do no damage to you. Therefore, your entire statement is wrong.

Originally Posted by brophog02

No I'm not. I'm comparing it to every ST stun power in the game. That's why Total Focus was nerfed. Tier (in regards to balance) is irrelevant in this game. Total Focus was "nerfed" to mag 3 because that's what mag stuns are in this game. It shouldn't have been mag 4, just like Cobra Strike shouldn't.

You seriously need to do your homework before starting a suggestion thread.

Originally Posted by Miss_Freeze_NA

And you're comparing a stun to a fear power, which are two entirely different things.

Fear and ToHit Debuffs < Stuns. The stuns and knockbacks/downs in Martial Arts in most cases are better control than any fear or ToHit debuff.

I personally have seen more MA scrappers soloing Rikti Magus (and barely getting hit themselves) during MS Raids because they can control them far better than any other scrapper primary.

Originally Posted by Shard_Warrior

And you still don't understand the concept of how Terror can be dropped by further damage on a target and even with -ToHit applied, a target can still attack you and has a chance to further damage you.

The stuns in MA completely incapacitate a target. They can not attack at all you so long as they are stunned. Used effectively, the stuns in MA are far better than any fear effect or -ToHit in DM.

Originally Posted by brophog02

What it ignores is why Total Focus was nerfed. Stun powers like this are mag 3, period.

Originally Posted by IanTheM1

I'm just going to use this quote since you keep repeating yourself anyway.

You're working under the flawed assumption that Cobra Strike needs to be more effective against bosses to be worthwhile. This ignores three very important things:

1) Cobra Strike can instantly stun lower ranked enemies, which can be more dangerous than a boss. (And stun cannot be broken by damage, unlike fear.)

2) MA already gets two knockback/knockdown powers that, while not totally reliable, work on bosses.

3) MA gets two other stun powers that are meant to synergize with Cobra Strike. Dark Melee doesn't get two fear powers to stack. You'll also note that due to its potency, Touch of Fear does zero damage.

Now, I will say that Cobra Strike's overall usefulness is debatable, but that's due its placement in the set and Eagle's Claw gaining the 100% stun, rather than anything to do with its damage. I wouldn't strictly oppose a damage increase, but I certainly disagree with your reasons for buffing it.

Originally Posted by Shard_Warrior

Again, not true. It will apply a Mag 3 stun and do minor damage. Expecting it to do anything beyond that is silly.

Originally Posted by Miss_Freeze_NA

Don't you find it silly to say it "does not do anything else other than stun" then go on to say "it has the very minor damage" in the same sentence?

You just contradicted yourself.

Originally Posted by Shard_Warrior

That depends on the situation. Did you already land Eagle's Claw? If so... stunned Boss.

17.2 damage is better than 0.

Originally Posted by Shard_Warrior

Sure it will. It will land a Mag 3 stun and do some minor damage. Your expectations are not reasonable if you would like it to do anything beyond that.

Originally Posted by Miss_Freeze_NA

Most Controllers need more than 1 application of a hold to lockdown a boss. Why should Cobra Strike be any different?

It is a minor damage, control power that is used in conjunction with other powers within the set to stun an opponent.

Originally Posted by Shard_Warrior

Totally false. Again, you aren't understanding what this power is for and what it is meant to do or how to use it.



Also false. The -Def in Katana and BS stack with each attack. So does the -ToHit from DM. -Speed and -Rech stacks from each attack in Spines. One hit from any of those sets really isn't going to do much. Stack them together through the appropriate attack chains and they become effective.

Originally Posted by Sigium

/meh

First work on Fire Mastery. Secondly, how exactly would Pistol Mastery work if they have no pistols to choose from?

Yes, you don't need pistols to be Munitions, but hear me out here; Ancillary Power Pools cater to 'master' things that are already there:

Weapon Mastery: Katana, Broadsword, Claws, Dual Blades
Body Mastery: Martial Arts, Spines
Dark Mastery: Dark Melee

I'm not against the idea, but try to remember that the APPs are made to try to 'fit' with the theme.

Originally Posted by LordSquigie

Cobra Strike is a control power, and it is exactly the same as Stun and Screech. To increase the damage the stun duration would have to be lowered, the same as it was changed with Clobber. If the stun duration was lowered it would be harder to perma-stun a boss, which would lower MA's survivability versus them.

Originally Posted by brophog02

Total Focus nerf, anyone? It was done for a reason.

((This is why you think through suggestions BEFORE they enter this board, not after you're baited into doing so. If you think it is a simple suggestion, you haven't thought through it enough to actually put it down.))

Originally Posted by Shard_Warrior

In your opinion. Paruse the scrapper forums sometime and look at the comparison of DPS numbers between the sets. MA is on par with the others and doesn't require any further damage boosts.

Originally Posted by Miss_Freeze_NA

You really do not understand how powersets work, do you? Should all powersets have 1 power that does a ton of damage, stuns, immobs, holds etc. all in one shot?

Originally Posted by Shard_Warrior

You're comparing apples to oranges here. These are two different powers from two entirely differnt sets.

The logic of your argument also fails here (again). Cobra Strike used on a boss will do minor damage and lay down a stun, therefore it is doing more than 1 thing. Stacking the stuns from Thunder Kick or Eagle's Claw onto a boss provides the effect, just as stacking the fear from ToF or any of the DB combos.