Vitality

Originally Posted by ransim

Self Defense was recommended earlier on in the thread...

I should update the OP.

*headdesk*

Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg

Someone suggested the name Self Defense when we discussed this in the beta testers channel last week.

Originally Posted by Psychic_Bedlam

My MA/Regen Scrapper is supposed to be Super Strength, and with the new punch animations, especially Eagle's Claw, she is. But as stated above I'd much rather have Rage than Focus Chi, and Dragon's Tail makes me sad after experiencing Foot Stomp.

Originally Posted by Tonality

You aren't even using numbers. You're assigning some arbitrary scale based on subjective experience - and you even admit it.

Originally Posted by Umbral

Except that those numbers are wrong.

Now, let's just ignore caps right off the bat because balance deals with SO grade performance. If anything, capped performance would skew Tanker performance even higher than Scrapper performance because Tankers can get so much harder to kill than a Scrapper.

Tanker defense mods are 1.0 and Scrappers are .75. Tankers are 33% more survivable than Scrappers and Scrappers are 25% less survivable than Tankers. Right there, it's already demonstrated that your comparison values Scrapper defenses too high. Combine this with the fact that Tankers have 1874.1 hp at 50 and Scrappers only have 1338.6 hp, and you see that Tanker's are 40% harder to kill and have 40% better heals than Scrappers while Scrappers are 30% easier to kill and have 30% weaker heals. Overall, Tankers are 86% harder to kill than Scrappers and Scrappers are 47.5% easier to kill than Tankers.

Now, Scrappers have a base damage scalar of 1.125 with a 7.5% raw damage contribution from their inherent giving them a functional damage scalar of 1.21. Tankers have a base damage scalar of .8 with no other raw damage contributions. Scrappers have 50% better damage than a Tanker and Tankers have 33% worse damage than Scrappers.

Now, using this information about base scalars which completely ignores powerset options (which would favor Tankers even more thanks to sets like Stone Melee, Stone Armor, Super Strength, and Energy Melee which are incredibly powerful but Scrappers do not have access to), your "ratings" should look much more like this:

Scrappers: damage (10), defense (5.25)
Tankers: damage (6.66), defense (10)

You seem to be inflating Scrapper defenses by a large amount while ignoring the fact that Tankers actually deal some rather respectable damage.

Originally Posted by Umbral

Of course, this is ignoring my view that Scrappers should never get Super Strength. In comic books, you don't see Scrapper characters running around ripping through buildings. They might have superhuman strength, but they use that strength with precision rather than outright brute force. With the exception of Dual Blades (which I am sure Tanks and Brutes only got because they wanted to give the new set to as many ATs as possible), Tankers have brute force based powersets. The same applies to Brutes with the additional exception of Claws. Scrappers have more graceful/precision based sets, and Super Strength belongs on Scrappers about as much as Stone Armor and Stone Melee do.

Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn

Okay, now my questions are these:

1) Why do you feel that Tankers are not in balance right now?

2) Why do you think that Damage is the way to fix them?

Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn

And the Critical on Scrapper attacks is part of the attack, not an inherent. As is Scourge. As is Containment. As is the new Defiance damage boosts.

Most inherents aren't true inherents. They're just tied to the powers.


As for your specific suggestion, I'm going to have to say no, at least as you have presented it, namely this part:



And this will do exactly what for Defense-based Tankers? And will resistance cut into this bar building up? Fury works by attacking or being attacked, whether or not that attack lands or not. As you have presented it, the Tanker would need to be hit to take advantage of this new inherent, and that just doesn't jive with sets like Ice Armor, which are trying hard to avoid being hit in the first place.

Originally Posted by RoboBug

i really don't see why they couldn't tweak the set to work easily.

Originally Posted by Organica

Because waiting sucks.

1. Waiting to find a team sucks.

2. Waiting for the team to assemble sucks.

3. Waiting for the tank to attack first sucks.

4. Waiting for the tank to gather aggro sucks.

5. Waiting for mez/sleep/hold to wear off sucks.

Waiting sucks. I wanna attack now! Scrapper can do.

Originally Posted by Fing M C

I will /unsigned this.

Most attacks on a tank already have a taunt component to them. And your +damage for x amount of time already comes in the form of build up or rage.

Originally Posted by Aggelakis

You do realize that once they allow the purchase of one veteran reward, people with money burning holes in their pockets will demand the ability to purchase every other veteran reward? This is a perfect example of a 'slippery slope'.

Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint

if you think the game won't be around in 30 more months you are probably going to want to store those words in a air tight can so you can eat them in 30 months...