Vitality

Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA

Yes. Because Players are all mindless drones with no self-control or ability to think for themselves.

Anyone who over-exploited this latest bug, especially after what happened with the Mito bans and Positrons address over it is a bit dim IMO and probably shouldn't be allowed onto the Internet by themselves.

Originally Posted by Ben_Arizona

It's not absolutely necessary for a brute to take Taunt or try to deal with aggro issues (outside of, perhaps, some Strike Force situations).

However, if you want your Speed Boost dealer alive and handing out the crazy pills instead of face-down on the floor, it's nice to be able to make people stop shooting him.

Originally Posted by BBQ_Pork

You can already do this several different ways.

1) Transfer via the Market. (One character puts a low demand item up, other character overpays for it.) Any server, but same faction, small transfer fee.
2) Make arrangement with another player. Any server, cross-faction if agreed. (Some may charge an exchange rate.)
3) Drop valuables into base storage, have another character pick it up. Same Server, Same Faction, Same SG.

What else do you want?

Originally Posted by Gr33n

I would go see it for sure...

for another question...

Who would play your hero/vill in the movie?

I cast Jude law for mine...

Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight

I find DP anything in broadcast amusing but mainly because the devs have pulled the, "look how shiney on the out side, no need to look under the hood" car salesman trick on the unsuspecting casual player.

Originally Posted by _Krom_

Except, of course, there are not tanks red side (right now). At least in name. Generally that leaves those with high hit points to fill the meat shield 'roll' such as brutes and masterminds (who are built for tanker-minding).

That being said since brutes generally have self taunting abilities they tend to get 'most' aggro anyways. I think one of the things that I love most about red side, in particular about brutes, is we're not pigeon holed into specific roles. We can be tanks or damage dealers (or in some cases both).

Originally Posted by Rodion

If you were running a level 50 brute it's not so unreasonable to expect you to hold all the aggro.

Originally Posted by PennyPA

Just my opinion, but if you are off the ground (fly/hover), you can't stomp it - your leg won't get physically longer. Other reason, guessing, is there no animations done.

Originally Posted by Jet_Boy

...which is what they are, and hardly a problem



... which is the point of MMORPGs, $15 a month + internet costs is an awful lot to play by yourself...



"Role" in this context is an ugly word, "Supposed to" makes it even uglier. I could be overly simple and say the only "role" anyone has is as a Hero or Villain, but I won't. If you wan to get pickey, as illustrated by the construction of the tanker AT, it's primary role is so soak up huge amounts of damage.

However, I don't recall anywhere is saying that a Tanker's primary role is so soak up huge amounts of damage for *you.*

If I take "taunt" as a power choice, that gives me the *choice* of being the "("I'll keep these guys busy,,, you get the hostage out!" hero-guy and/or the "boy, it's a good thing I was here, huh little buddy?" hero-guy. . If I don't that simply makes me the "Is that all you got?" type of hero guy. Again, it's all how I see my charatcer as "my" being the function word.



Many of the powers do have some small innate taunt, mostly to simulate the "Get the Big Guy" mentality of enemies. But "forcing" tanks to pulls the brunt of the damage is another thing all together. It's the same as saying "give all defenders "heal" or "no blaster should have melee powers." You might like that idea, but I very much doubt a lot of Tanker players would.

The concept of the AT's is not to define your role on a team, but help you create a character a bit more to your liking, and to simplify charatcer creation a bit for the developers by utilizing well know comic book "archetypes" (see what I did there? 8D) to narrow the choices into a more manageable (and marketable) subsets. It has nothing to do with team construction, with the exception that eventually most comic-book super-teams realize that a balance of abilities is a good thing.

And look at it another way. I'm suddenly forced to build my Tanker to be the enemy-magnet, that means the my defensive abilities also need to be enhanced to soak and survive wave after wave to balance it out. Since I now draw all the bad-guys to me, I can survive their assaults, and can eventually take them out... what exactly do I need "you" (meaning non-tankers) for.



Hmmmm... list time

1) I think most players try out all their powers at some time or another, why else would we have respecs? I think it's a big assumption on your part that most Tankers will skip "Taunt" and more so that they so because don't "understand" what the power can do. It very plane what the power will do for a Tanker... it will draw enemies to them and away from other players. I thinkk most people can read

Most of the people I know that did skip it, did it for conceptual reasons... they didn't see, for whatever reason their character doing that. It's Role-Playing, which is what the game's all about.

2) What constitutes a "Bad" Tank is your personal opinion based on how you think a tanker should be acting to be most useful to *you." It's not considering the other player and I pray its not something that you presenting to a new player as "part of the game."

3) Taunt is helpful to who? It's not very helpful to me as a Tanker... it means I get punched more, and harder, and by a lot more people. It's akin to wearing a "NASCAR Sucks" tee-shirt to a Daytona 500 block party. I hope you like running... I don't (I have a "Dwarven" physique.)

Humor aside, taunt *can* help out a team. It can also "hurt" a team as well, with even the most surgical uses having unexpected (and often overwhelming) results.

I personally use it very discriminantly, like when the blaster just AOE-Agroed an entire room of Warriors or I need to draw away a mob so someone can get a hostage out. I don't spam it to keep the party safe... I expect you know enough to run or yell for help if you need it. (And I might also let the group of Warriors beat the crap out of you so you learn not to pull damn-fool stunt like that again, but I'm a mean bastich 8D)



Nope... A Tankers role is to take a punch well, not be a meat shield for you, any more than a Emp Defender's role is to be a life-support system for a Tanker (and personally, I hope the Emps healing the squishies first, and not worrying about me so much... we're supposed to be able to handle hits well, and if I go down, then I bit off more than I can chew) or a Kin Controller's job is to keep feeding Speed Boost to you. It's an part of what a tanker can "choose" to do

And even then, it's hardly from the get go. The actual "Taunt" power is not even in the Primary Power Sets... it's part of your *secondary* Powers as a Tanker, and then not even available to you until at least 10th level (I think). And if we consider Secondary Abilities to be worth "two thirds" of Primary ones, then Taunt only represents about 5% of the capabilities that a Tanker can have, with many tertiary powers giving more benefit to a team than taunt.

Heck, mechanics-wise it's considered more important to a Brute, than a Tanker... after all at least is in his Primary sets, and he gets a direct benefit from it's use.

No... for a Tanker, Taunt is simply another choice you have with your character as you build it and not a requirement anymore than a "Buffing" power is to a Corr, or "Blasting" is to a Defender. It's a secondary power and shouldn't be a "primary" responsibility. If you're face-planting on a team, don't blame the tank (or any archetype for that matter) simply because he's not using "power x..." blame yourself because you overstepped your capabilities.

Originally Posted by Redd Rumm

Oh im sorry is this a Who is better ( Tanks suck/Brutes can't tank) thread ? i must have taken a wrong turn.Oh well good luck with your trolling

Originally Posted by Call Me Awesome

I'm afraid I have to completely disagree with this, in my opinion a team tanker's overriding responsibility is to protect the team first and foremost, THEN worry about dealing damage. I'll say a big HECK YES that a GOOD tanker IS there as a babysitter.

Yes, I do feel very strongly about this, and I have from the moment I rolled up my first tanker. If I'm playing a tank you better believe I'm doing my best to hold aggro and keep the rest of the team alive. A blaster who doesn't have to worry about aggro is much more effective at killing the mobs quickly; I'll handle the aggro while he handles the damage. Seems like a fair trade to me.

There are limits of course, I can't do anything about the squishy who runs the opposite way from the group into another room of baddies but anyone who's with the rest of the team can count on me doing my best to keep them alive, that's what I'm there for. If I'm playing a squishy then that's the kind of tanker I want on my team. I've no use for a "tank" who refuses to at least try holding aggro.