Vitality

Originally Posted by Umbral

Honestly, if you're attempting to ameliorate the problem of combat inactivity at low levels (which it seems like this suggestion is aimed at) without attempting to completely rework how the game operates, it would be better to simply suggest that all low level characters receive some native global buff to recharge and endurance reduction in the same way that they receive a global buff to their tohit modifier that degrades as they get more powers.

Of course, I've never had a problem with the endurance or recharge issues at the low levels because I've always felt that it fits in line with the theme of a hero just starting out. Their powers aren't even moderately realized so they're going to get winded, run out of superpower juice, and find themselves without any actions to take place other than their inherent powers. Once you get to your 20s, it becomes less of an issue and that makes sense.

Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man

I tell you what, I'll support your idea if you agree to market it for $900--the cost of 60 months of game subscription at the monthly billing rate. That $900 doesn't include ANY game subscription time, but it will automatically bump you up to the 60 month vet status. The price remains the same whether you're a brand new subscriber or if you're a 59 month subscriber. I think that sounds fair.

Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba

You get to wait just like those that chose not to purchase CoV got to wait and get it for free.

Originally Posted by Snow Globe

Yes because I know quite a few people that are looking forward to getting the 60 month reward, but are patient enough to wait for it. Your suggestion would force them to pay real money for something they will eventually get for free.

This is a bad idea.

Originally Posted by The_Alt_oholic

And, yeah, as a 60+ vet, I would feel very cheated at the DEVs sold-out my loyalty appreciation VET status to anyone that was willing to pay - especially for a reward that was given to me because I'd been loyal to the game for 5 YEARS!

Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba

I won't be griping about it just as I didn't gripe about it with CoV. Why? Because I will have had access to it for a couple years before that happens.

Originally Posted by McBoo

My question would be why bother if the endurance costs of Tier 1 attacks are currently low enough to be considered non-issues. If endurance at lower levels is an issue it would be more effective to add an unslottable endurance discount across the board for levels 1 to 12 that diminishes as you approach level 12 when DO enhancements become available. Thematically it could be explained as rookie heroes and villains holding back until they become more adept at conserving their energy.

I am not trashing the spirit of the suggestion; I can easily see how it would help against Clockwork and Malta sappers. I am just wondering how removing the cost of the least likely offender will make that much difference for low level characters in general.


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Originally Posted by SwellGuy

See, you assume I am comparing you to children. No, I am comparing your request to a childish request by virtue of its inherent impatience. "Why do we have to wait until Christmas to open our Christmas presents?" Same concept. I didn't write that you are whining just that I respond to these things as I respond to the whines of my children.

Then you further infer insults. If I am going to insult someone I will just come out and write it (usually within the allowed boundaries of the forum rules though sometimes not and Niv or Mod08 give me a talking to).

You read into my posts just as you read into the vet rewards things that are simply not there.

What you are writing about that one vet reward has been brought up on many of them: 12 months, 24 months, 33 months, ...

The song remains the same and it wasn't that interesting of a tune any of those other times either.

Originally Posted by SwellGuy

I wouldn't feel cheated either. I'd benefit on 2/3 of my accounts. But I scoff at the people who get their undies in a bunch over any of the vet rewards and think they ought to be able to buy them. Like my children whining about anything I tell them I had to walk to school in snow up to my waist even in the summer uphill both ways.

Originally Posted by SwellGuy

I infer from your suggestion that you need your suggestion enacted to play.

If you don't then the devs don't need to waste any time or resources on your suggestion, do they?

Originally Posted by SwellGuy

You're acting like you cannot play the game without it. I don't understand that because we did for 60 months (and I still will have to on my other 2 accounts until they get to 60 months).

Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba

So you want to suggest something that already exists as a vet reward to be nuked, turned into a paid for option so that anyone could get it at anytime, and then block all those that don't have the 60 month badge from getting it unless they buy it.

After a bunch of people already got it for "free" with their 60 month badge.

Originally Posted by SwellGuy

Do you have the 60 month vet reward? If not a good replacement would be the ability to block a non-60+ month person who has bought the pack from being able to use it.

Originally Posted by Eiko-chan

But it could really help at low levels, so I'm for it.

Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba

So you want to suggest something that already exists as a vet reward to be nuked, turned into a paid for option so that anyone could get it at anytime, and then block all those that don't have the 60 month badge from getting it unless they buy it.

After a bunch of people already got it for "free" with their 60 month badge.

How about no.

Edit: Now if you want to suggest a "super in shape" paid for pack that lets us skip boxing/kick and still get tough/weave, I'm all for that.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

Actually, I've been thinking for a long time about taking the first two primary powers, and the first secondary power, and applying a recharge and endurance discount to all three (if it happens to be a passive, the discount just has no effect). Something high: 30% - 50%, but not cut to zero.

I believe I can make the case that its actually better for game balance overall, but I haven't had the time to do all the leg work, and the devs are too busy with I17/GR to entertain the idea anyway. Once things settle down a bit, though, its actually the next big thing on my todo list.

Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill

Except that it currently costs endurance to do so. They can now ignore the END cost, and they're still getting Containment damage. Right now, if they need to stack and maintain a high mag immob, they HAVE to stop, or they have to sacrifice duration or damage for END (or otherwise make up for the cost.)

Also, just what are you considering an attack? "Must do damage without procs?" If so, Ice/Storm. Immob/Gale/Immob/Gale. END-free kill.

Every Blaster would have a completely END free attack chain even when mezzed. (Well, except /Devices. Pretty sure all other secondary Tier1s do damage on their own.)

Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill

You're thinking solely of attacks. The only thing I've seen this done to is Stalker Hide, since it's so essential to the functionality of the entire AT.

That said, are you looking at *only* attacks (IE, flares and the like) or any "tier 1" power? The first is blatantly unfair, the second is a bit unbalanced (think of an Emp or Thermal that never had to pay for those heals, for instance.)

Actually, looking at it *either* way, you've just empowered Controllers to have a perma-Immobilize. Say, Ice - Just make an Ice/TA. Chillblain/Entangling Arrow/Chillblain/Entangling Arrow ad infinitum. Slot CB with damage and recharge, give ET a damage proc. Free damage with an immob that could be stacked so high nothing could leave.