Vitality

Originally Posted by Mandu

I'll tell you what they did that Heroes didn't. They had characters who thought their powers were cool and wanted to use them.

Heroes during it's entire run only had a couple heroes who wanted to use their powers to help others, or for that matter to use them at all. And when those people did use their powers they were punished for it. Examples, Hiro losing Charlie then getting the aneurysm. Mohinder trying to give himself powers and becoming a freak. Peter getting sued for being super paramedic. Daphne getting shot. If they just used their powers for selfish reasons or hid their powers they pretty much did ok. It's when they tried to help that the world dropped on their heads.

Sure in No Ordinary Family the girl immediately whined "But I don't want powers." but she seems to have changed her mind by the end of the episode. And the rest of them are doing what real people would do. They are enjoying the fact that they have super powers instead of crying about it and looking for a cure.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Heroes. I just hated the fact that the producers and directors seemed to have a vendetta that stated "Using super powers for the good of others is a bad bad thing you should be ashamed of and will result in bad karma.".

Originally Posted by JeNeSaisQuoi

Alright, it looks like we're all set. However, I was wondering if anyone has any advice on which of us should Tank Recluse as we (surprisingly) don't have a /Shield Scrapper, which is what was recommended in an earlier thread.

Any advice?

Originally Posted by NinjaPirate

Didn't read the rest of the thread, did ya?

The vast majority of those fights had people either standing there posing as CGI effects few around, or they basically had quick cut flashes of them running and then flashes of light meant to represent "stuff happening too fast to see".

There weren't really any knock down drag out fights, cars getting smashed, actors getting slammed around.

I think Heroes was afraid to put their actors in any situations where their pretty faces might get injured.



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Originally Posted by NinjaPirate

Yeah, but they did it in one episode. Not four years.

Which is the point. Heroes dragged out stuff for SO LONG that they lost a lot of viewers who got bored.



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Originally Posted by Father Xmas

Except to have a supers fight on camera instead of just implying it.

Originally Posted by NinjaPirate

When a show achieves in a single episode what people wanted, what Heroes wasn't able to do it in it's entire run, that's how.


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Originally Posted by Arnabas

Why is everyone so big on Glee?

I tried watching it. Sat through maybe two episodes and part of another, but the complete absence of any likeable characters drove me away.

Originally Posted by MaestroMavius

Only problem with that is the actual plane trip they took that crashed wasn't part of the company trip.

It was a small tourist excursion the father was forcing them to take to get them out of the hotel room.

Originally Posted by NinjaPirate

Yeah, I caught it on Hulu as well.

I also think the fluorescent water is a red herring too. Woman develops powers, and it's revealed that her boss is secretly involved with other super-powered people. That can't be coincidence.



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Originally Posted by JeNeSaisQuoi

Ditto.

And apparently, according to a few posts ago, her breakout song was "I Kissed a Girl"?

Wasn't that someone else's song from the 90's?

That almost goes beyond the shameful lack of creativity these pop creatures display...

I mean, trying to be risque' and get attention by singing someone else's tame attempt to be risque' and get attention?

Wow. Seriously, wow. It's scary that the music industry just doesn't even try anymore and they can still get money from people. Not that there was ever a time that popular music was anything more than black souled record label executives stealing from people but this really has to be some kind of new low--for pop music as well as the people that buy it.

Originally Posted by DreamWeaver

Okay, so you're going to tell THIS FACE that you're abandoning her for someone else?



...I dare ya. And there's online catch-up for Americans anyway. Stay true to the faith! STAY PUNK!

In slightly more relevant news, I like it. I've been praying to the Universe for a sequel/equal to The Incredibles for years, and ABC (being Mouse-owned) seem to have provided one. Though they're really going to have to work to keep the dialogue this sparky. Mike Chiklis gets to show off a bit more range - comedy being somewhat harder to do than grimacing - and looking forward to when he gets to do some proper clobberin'.

Also,I hope it lasts longer than the end of fall sweeps. This kinda high concept stuff is notoriously difficult to sell - not to the public so much as advertisers. With Smallville ending this season, they could pick up some spare fans - but ABC execs may have quietly junked it already by sending it up against NCIS. Mere invulnerability, telepathy, speed, these pale compared to the power of SCIENCE, caffeine addiction, earbleeding metal and BEAMS OF PURE AWESOME that Abby has. And there's an Abby-led semi-solo episode this series! *fangirl squee*


Usual thing with something like this is if some exec's baby show can't cut it against the current top contender, first there's a huge promo burst, then as the exec's power wanes you're playing Hunt-The-Programme-Slot. Batted around timeslots and days without warning. And when they get dropped for 2nd tier baseball,both they and the show are destined for the junkyard.

If they can keep it quite well grounded in the family, keep the yuks coming and the occasional proper superheroic duel, I'm in.

So long as it doesn't clash with NCIS.

*cuddles Scientist Abby doll. And Habitat For Humanity Abby doll. And Nun Bowling Abby doll. And NSFW Fetish Abby doll...*

Originally Posted by Brachaesnethar

I admit to enjoying the power fantasy elements, particularly the way the characters seemed (like I would be) to be really excited and interested to learn more about their powers.

LOVED the supporting cast, the two confidants that they each chose. I was a little surprised they mentioned Kitty Pride by name and actually had a real doll of her (complete with Lockheed on her shoulder, I think!).

One thing that irked me, though, was that Dad's power included the ability to lift five tons or more, leap huge distances (with a BOUND, not a 'leap' )... and while a bullet would not KILL him when shot at four feet to the back of his head, it DID make him bleed... apparently he can CATCH bullets with no harm, though. So either his hands are super super tough --- and he is actually FAST enough to get his hand in the path of the bullet --- or....

I got nothing. "Catching bullets" is all well and good, but if you can catch a bullet you pretty much need to be fast AND tough and if you're tough enough to catch a bullet (the one in the police station was smashed, so it's not like he caught the bullet without it making an impact).... then why would it hurt to be hit in the much-more-resilient SKULL? I mean, his hand never bled.... granted, that shot in the police station was from more than four feet away....

Having Dad be a police sketch artist is a great idea; when I first heard about the show, I misunderstood and thought he was actually a COP. This works much better, I think, and actually reminds me a bit of Barry Allen (Police Forensic Scientist, back before CSI and all that became the rage). INVOLVED with the police, but not strictly in the chain of command.

While it was a bit rushed, I'm afraid it HAD to be, to squeeze in all they could in what could be their only real chance to get people hooked (the pilot). While it's not as action-packed as super-speed or super-strength, the daughter's telepathy has the potential for much better stories, I think. In particular, I can't wait until she 'reads' her parents. No matter what you may SAY or DO, you can't always control your thoughts --- I can imagine a parent having a fleeting thought of, "What an ungrateful brat of a child" or "What could my life have been without this kid to tie me down"...

Passing, stray thought, but if the daughter picks up on that... in the preview for next time, it looks like she may accidentally 'read' her brother (perhaps just discovering his super-intelligence power that he has not yet revealed to the family).

I think they almost HAD to reveal the existence of other super-powered people and at least hint at a Big Bad Villain. If they hadn't, then people JUST watching the pilot may have thought, "Well, the powers are neat, but what is the show going to be ABOUT?"

They didn't reveal MUCH info, of course. Just that, yes, there are other super-powered beings who know that there are other super-powered beings. The revelation of the wife's boss as a Big Bad suggests (to me) that maybe the chairman of the company was eager to approve her expedition to the Amazon because that ancient plant that "could do anything" might be even more powerful than she thought originally.

Of course, if he knew that the plant gave superpowers, why send her to poke around for it... Hm...

Was a bit tiresome to hear the "no more fighting crime, okay? Sure, I promise" tired old lines...

I'll give it one or two "regular" episodes to see where they go... as long as they don't scrimp on the special effects in future episodes ---- having blown their budget on the pilot ---- it'll at least be fun for that.

Originally Posted by Zikar

Wait, wait... wait.

Black/Samuel Jackson Fury with hair? WRONG!

Originally Posted by Johnstone

I think this must be the trick to it, just have to complain that it hasn't happened, and it'll happen.

The poster formerly known as Vitality serves as a second example of this:

Originally Posted by Wayfarer

I loved the Lou Ferrigno cameo. Glad to see they did more with him than they did with Dolph Lundgren. On the other hand, I'm a bit worried that they're doing a lot of stunt casting; Linda Hamilton, Dolph Lundgren, Lou Ferrigno, Karolina Kurkova, Olivia Munn, Isaiah Mustafa, Steve Austin, Nicole Richie. Stunt casting is often a sign that they know the show is weak but rather than fix the problems they cast cameos of people they hope the audience will tune in to see.

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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim

Oh. Does the heal only affect base HP percentage then?

If it does or doesn't, I think I may have worded my response poorly as it is. I meant it will do more healing number-wise, not percentage-wise. If you boost your HP cap, the percentage means higher numbers.

If it only affects base HP percentage, my bad!

Originally Posted by Dark One

Flashbacks would be fine...if they were at least consistent.

Thirteen months earlier, 8 days ago, 66 years prior, 5 years in the past...come on already.

Originally Posted by Dark One

It's trying WAY too hard to be like Lost. The flashbacks are extremely disjointed and annoying, IMO.