Vitality

Originally Posted by Dispari

Solar Flare was just made so you can use it while flying. You can already hover over a spawn and use it so it's KD.

Originally Posted by Dispari

What I find strange about this argument is that it implies that all (or most) powers that do KB would be overpowered if they instead did KD.

Though for every post you can make saying not to take X power because it does KB, you can find someone pointing out how you can just jump/fly/hover/use a wall/position yourself in such a way that it does KD instead.

So... is that the balancing factor? That it's okay if the powers do KD as long as you have to think about it some? Because other sets aren't really balanced that way. You don't have to think about where or when to use Fireball. It works the same however you use it. But are you saying Explosive Blast is potentially overpowered if you turn it into KD instead? My Blaster certainly doesn't feel overpowered when she hoverblasts.

Now there are a couple powers where it might matter. Repel powers and maybe Bonfire. But that's about it. And honestly I doubt even those; repel powers drain end per foe hit so you'd just run out of endurance if they weren't going anywhere. The devs would only have to look at a couple powers tops. It's not like Energy Blast would be topping the charts on performance if it did KD.

Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master

resistance debuffs are resisted by resistance, so how much the -resist does is based on the enemies resistances

it is not affected by the purple patch or lvl differences since it is granting the target a power

it helps a bit, but since its limited to 1 application it can only do so much at -20% resist, on teams though it helps because since its applying a powr to the enemies everyone does more dmg

Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master

it helps a decent amount, nothing super effective, but there is a noticeable difference

on my lvl 50 ice/stone tank without bruising seismic smash hits for about 192 dmg, with bruising i hit for around 232, which is 40 dmg difference

Originally Posted by Socorro

What Nihili touched on pretty much covers the whole issue.

The KB True Believers insist that KB is awesome, gives much needed mitigation, and, by far, most players of non-KB ATs welcome KBers with open arms, or at least have no issues with them.

If you Believers insist this to be true, the an option to turn off KB shouldn't be a problem for you. If true, teams you join should be begging you to turn your wonderful KB back on. Instead we hear laments that, if a non-KB option is provided, then teams will instead request/demand that your KB be turned off.

Why do you pro-KBers fear that? If you really believe that KB is as awesome as you say and most of the players base welcomes it (or at least has no problem with it), then this fear shouldn't exist whatsoever.

Maybe it's time for the dishonesty to stop and admit that. if most of the playerbase starts requesting a Power Property to be disabled (if the option is available), there really and truly is a problem with that Power Property.

Originally Posted by Vauluur

You don't need any of those things on either Kheldian. Warshades have the cheat mode that is Stygian Circle and Sunless Mire, Peacebringers have a conserve power clone and Inner Light.

As others said, I don't see Khelds getting APPs as much as I wish they would. I think it is possible to make a case for PPPs, in which situation I'd expect them to look highly similar to what was posted up above.

*Drools over thought of a Warshade with Spiderlings and 3 Essences...Warmind???*

Originally Posted by ultrawatt

When u are afraid u get to attack at least every 3 secs, or if you are getting attacked it has almost not affect on you at all. I dont think it detoggles either.

It's really one of the weakest forms of control.

Originally Posted by rsclark

If I'm on an Emp standing off to the side healing and buffing, I would still prefer the SS brute and the fire blaster to unload their AoEs over the PB. It's not selfish to want to use your power instead of another character's if yours is better. That benefits everyone, not just yourself. Selfishness only comes when you want to use your ability to the detriment of others.

Originally Posted by Socorro

I dunno - when I play my Melee ATs, I roll my eyes when a teammate PB or other KBer blows mobs outside of my AoE and Stat-Fueling Radius. Nothing to do with bruised ego, or even selfishness - I'm just aware they are removing targets from my Footstomp AoE. How can that ever be good?

But always I say nothing, because I sympathize greatly with them (mainly because I love PBs myself). Once or twice I've suggested some of the KB tricks people espouse, but I got the feeling they thought I was just nicely telling them they suck.

Originally Posted by Zem

I prefer the -KB IO idea myself. Null would turn off all KB and I just wouldn't want that. Powers whose primary purpose is to do KB are fantastic. I can count on them and use them only when I WANT the KB. Powers that have KB as a secondary effect to the damage? I'd usually prefer those to do KD. Well sometimes... Crane Kick without the knockback? I'm just not seeing it.

Besides which the IO is an equitable solution. KB enhancement exists for those who want more. Why not KB reduction for those who want less? And because it consumes a slot, it really makes you think whether you absolutely need it or not.

Frankly, I think some of the more rabid pro-KBers in this thread are overreacting. Why oppose optional -KB being available to those who want it? I don't see how this is bad for the game. You really think people will kick you for not turning off your KB (people that wouldn't already kick you today just for having it?) What do you care? You don't want to team with those people anyway.

Originally Posted by Socorro

If KBing ATs were bring more Smash to the table, maybe other ATs would get so irate seeing those mobs fly if they knew they were suffering extra because of it.