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Inf is not money within the game canon, it only functions as such for metagame reasons.

Think I'm psychic if you want then. I'm confident what I said is accurate. I've learned never to take what a dev says beyond its literal face value.

Again, I said it only implies they're meant to be second-class taunters, not that they are. It only appears inconsistent when you assume that I'm saying that they ARE second-class taunters, which I'm not, and never have. That whole thing was posted as a response to a request for evidence for my thinking that Scrappers aren't meant to hold aggro, so concluding that I don't believe Scrappers are good at holding aggro with a taunt aura not only puts words in my mouth but also ignores the context of those statements.

I also have a more anecdotal reason to believe Scrapper taunt auras are too strong, though only in Shield. I regularly play on a team with an Invul Tanker who has no powers slotted for taunt, not even Taunt (he slotted it for range). Said Tanker is excellent at drawing and holding aggro, yet every time I see a */Shield scrapper on the team and we fight an archvillain the AV seems to prefer attacking the Scrapper to the Tanker. Some of those Scrappers might have had AAO slotted for Taunt, but it's unreasonable to think they all did. All things being equal, at least some of those AVs should have been ignoring the Scrapper since the Tanker has both a Taunt aura and punchvoke while the Scrapper only has the aura.

Mechanically I think it happened because AAO also has a debuff, which enemies apparently hate.

EDIT: A Scrapper stealing aggro from a Tanker is only really a problem for the Scrapper, though. Remember that I'm arguing that taunt auras on a Scrappers is not good for the Scrapper.

No. I said that it's apparent from the design of the Scrapper AT that holding aggro is not their purpose. The basis of my argument is that Scrappers hold aggro TOO WELL*, so saying that they can't would be retarded.

*For their own good

Brutes, Tankers: Taunt with every attack*, AoE taunt in melee set, taunt aura in every defense set, highest Threat Level in game
Scrappers: Single target taunt in melee sets, taunt aura in only some defense sets, lower threat level than Tankers or Brutes

The only conclusion I can see is that keeping aggro off of teammates is a secondary goal for Scrappers, at best.

* Before you go telling me I'm wrong about this and only Tankers do that, look at the real numbers for Brute melee attacks. They all have a taunt component.

Is there something about Taunt I don't know? Because as far as I know there's nothing that says a taunted enemy wants to use melee more. I'm pretty sure that going close to said targets only makes them use their melee attacks, and once their AI is set to use melee they're reluctant to stop and will follow you in an attempt to keep doing that. Which would happen with or without a taunt aura.


Why should I care? I'm a Scrapper, the quintessential self-reliant AT. Sure, while as a PLAYER I might not want that Blaster to die, that's not what the Scrapper AT is about. That's like saying a Dominator should heal or a Corruptor should spam holds. A player might want to and build their character for it, but it's far from the norm and not what they're meant for.

I looked at Nova. RotP: ≈222 damage. Nova: ≈300 damage.

I...don't understand how a taunt effect helps with that.


But like I said, things that go rushing off to kill the fire blaster aren't attacking the Invul Scrapper.

That's what I do, and that's still over 30 levels of regular enhancements.

Have you looked at the market lately? Low-level common salvage is pretty expensive. That and the crafting costs and you don't save much until you factor in the long run.

Nothing, I'm just surprised to see it even affects him.

Don't you have like a billion alts? I'm surprised you even have a 50 to get annoyed at the system as-is.

That's not what he meant. He meant, using only shards and inf, it would be possible to craft every incarnate power. He did not say it would necessarily be an attractive option. He did not say every player would be likely to do it.

Certainly a possibility, but they could just "hide" your character's "true" origin, and only display your respecced origin.