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Quote:Quite so, all credit due to them as well.Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Just for clarification, I'm only repeating what another poster suggested in a similar thread. I think it was Steampunkette, but if I'm wrong I apologize to the original creator.
And, I'm sure I've posted a similar opinion myself as well in previous posts on previous threads.
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Honestly, at this point I'd rather see a Necrothread than a thread like this--an old thread under the guise of a new one. Especially after Ultimo's latest rant. Anyway, as others have said here, I'm cool with new players catching up with vet rewards if they pay $12 per month towards each reward (in the proper order). So I agree largely w/ Forbin and Sapphic_Neko.
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First, Ultimo makes ANOTHER rant about the "need" to buff xyz regardless of his poor build choices.
Second, we get ANOTHER thread about how "unfair" vet rewards are.
Now, we get ANOTHER thread about respec'ing into new primaries/secondaries?
I've always been irritated by people who say "search next time", but seriously...search next time. Ugh. I said it. I feel dirty now. This...this makes me very sad.
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Quote:It's a lot higher than 26 that disagree with you, trust me. Most of us read your posts, shake our heads, and ignore your ridiculous sense of entitlement and desire to make the game so easy to play that it isn't worth playing anymore. That is...until you feel the need to turn your monthly rant into a poll--so please put me down in the "disgree" column.Originally Posted by Ultimo_
Well, after a little tally (ignoring distinctions such as level range), I count 26 people that agree that there may be an issue to look at, and 26 that disagree.
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Quote:Solid gold comedy.Originally Posted by COV4LIFE
If you have anymore insults please let me haven't God forbids if someone out wits you and shows themself to be smarter your going to give to them hard hhalol.
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So you're saying that you want multiple instances of the same name on a server, but other people couldn't use the same name? I could have multiple characters named Charactername, but I would'nt be forced to add my global--there wouldn't be any Charactername@Solicio, Charactername@Someotherguy ugliness?
/SIGNED. Once you came up with the name and reserved it, it's yours in my opinion. Make a dozen characters on a server with the same name and dress them the same if you want to. Hell, if the idea of using a single name over and over catches on, it could actually end up freeing other names as result. -
Quote:I call Shenanigans. No one pays for porn--especially if you've already established that you have an internet connection that you use to play games. If he does, he should have to pay 5 bucks EXTRA as a stupidity tax.Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Not even close. This ranks up there with the guy that wanted the devs to lower the monthly sub fee to ten buck a month because he was disabled and couldn't afford $15 bucks each month, and he wasn't willing to change what he spent on gambling and porn.
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Quote:I don't. And here's why:Originally Posted by 2short2care
I think it is a pretty good idea to be able to fully respec a characters primary and secondary powers.
Quote:Why a full respec is not a good idea for COH.
So, you've played your Apathy/Dual Wet Noodle Tank to 50 and decided you don't like him. You've come to the forums and said "Why not let me completely respec the character!"
Well, people consider a "full respec" to be different things. I'm going to cover a complete and total character respec. If some of them don't apply, well, this comes up enough for this to be a copy and paste reply.
There are four things that the developers and game see as defining your character:
1. Archetype
2. Origin
3. Primary powerset
4. Secondary powerset
When people talk about a full respec, they're either talking about the powersets or the whole enchilada.
A Respec is short for respecification - altering what your character can do. This can be through reordering the levels you took powers, reassigning slots, and/or changing power pools. You'll note that none of this touches on changing the four listed items. The reason being that if any of those change, it's not the same character. A respec is not recreation or reimagining. It's tweaking your character a bit.
Now, let's go through some of these "full respecs."
Primary/Secondary
You're sure to hear this repeated a good bit - Just because you've played one set, doesn't mean you know how to play them all.
For instance, my namesake tank is a Fire/Superstrength tank. I know how he plays. The most similar powerset to him at the time of writing is Dark Armor. It's resistance based, it has no knockback protection, it has a damage aura, a self heal that does damage - it even has a self rez as its tier9.
They don't play anything alike. (I can say this, because I also have a version that's DA/SS.) Fire has no Psi protection. It has no stealth. Burn has a far different effect than Oppressive Gloom, and nothing similar to Cloak of Fear. It calls for a thoroughly different style of play. With Fire, I can leave my toggles on and go to town. With Dark Armor, I have to be selective, or the times I have to herd stragglers (for instance) won't work exceptionally well. Dark Armor also does not have anything like Consume to help out with Endurance - that's in Dark Melee.
With "similar" sets being that different - try Fire vs Stone. Or Invulnerability. You now have a set at or near 50 (when most people seem to mention wanting this - "I have a 50 that...") that you don't know how to slot effectively (which means you'll be doing *at least* one more respec) and don't know how to play effectively.
That's just changing *one* side of the equation. Now add in, say, going from Stone Melee to Dark Melee. Different effects, with *very* different affects on your survivability. And you won't know how to slot that, either, or how well they synergize.
Similarly, a Stormie plays vastly differently from an Empath, or a Dark, or a Rad. Earth Control is nothing like Illusion. Combo-chasing with Dual Blades won't help you with Martial Arts.
How do I know that this ends up being a mess?
Beta testing. The devs have, on rare occasion, bumped up characters to specific levels. The most notable was when Recluse's Victory came out for testing. Everyone was made level 40 - and it was a *mess.* Sure, people made copies of their own characters, and those worked out. Then there were those (many, many of those) who said "Hey, I've never had a X/Y before, I'll make one of those!"
Like I said, it was a mess. You could very easily tell who had done that versus making copies of characters they knew.
Now, yes, over time you'll learn your powerset - but in the meantime, you're not going to be very effective, or very happy.
Archetype
Now, given what I just said about powersets, imagine a *whole different AT.* Your tank is now an Empath? Really? You know how to survive as a Blaster because you played a Scrapper? And don't even get me started on epics.
If *sets* are that different, Archetype is that times ten.
Impact on enhancements
IOs are a big part of the game right now. Think about IO'ing out your character. You get your KB protection, sets and the like, potentially spending millions (or more) on finishing up these sets, or working on merits or whatnot.
Now, you change your primary - again, we'll take a tank - from a resistance based one to a defense based one.
Guess what is now useless to you. You *may* have a power to stick that resist set in, somewhere, but now you're defense based - and those resist sets dont' work for you any more. That Knockback set isn't taken any more. It's even worse when you say you want to switch AT - what is a Blaster going to do with a resist set? What is a Scrapper going to do with Sting of the Manticore or Malaise's Illusions?
This isn't even touching on the fact that *you could only retain ten enhancements.* That's 1 2/3 six-slotted powers.
And you'd have nobody to blame for all that lost time and INF but yourself...
Origin
Origin holds a strange place in this list. I'm just going to touch on it briefly.
Origin used to matter *vastly,* back in pre-beta. It determined how many powers you could learn and how skilled you could get with them. The system was scrapped, and for a long time it was mostly an RP item, as well as determining which enhancements you could use.
It now has *some* impact in the game with some temp powers - the "helper" power you get at level 1 (throwing knives, taser, mutagen, etc.) as well as some of the vet powers. The main impact, though, would be if you'd equipped with DOs or SOs, with the lost INF. That said, you would be able to get some of it back. Origin's probably the least of the problems with a full respec. Though some would, of course, complain that they no longer get a damage bonus or what have you - and who knows what the devs may do with this in the future.
Gameplay
There are also three other things to consider.
1. The game is designed around alts.
Seriously. If this were Guild Wars, for instance, with severely limited slots, I could see wanting to do a complete respec. But by default, you can make over 100 characters before feeling a pinch - and can purchase up to 24 additional slots per server, if you so choose. Don't like one set, make some others and try them out.
2. It's just not that hard to level.
Seriously... it's not. With half debt inside missions, patrol XP, double XP weekends, XP smoothing, XP adjustments (typically up,) debt reduction everywhere... it just *isnt'* hard to level. And levelling "honestly" means you're learning your powersets, how they work with each other and others and hopefully how to use them best - which will only make you a stronger player.
3. The devs say "no."
The devs have said no. They devs will continue to say no. The most recent "no" being the 4/2010 Q&A. So this is not just player opinion.
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Seriously--fix this guys. It's annoying. /SIGNED.
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You've definitely sold me. Sounds really, really cool--I hope the devs read this and give it serious consideration. I really hope that if this is implemented, none (or very, very few) of the costume pieces associated with the set would be unlockable rather than available at level 1. Since you would literally be wearing your origin on your shoulder (or arm, etc with the shoulder unit), the more options you have, the greater the appeal to characters of all origins.
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Quote:NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONOOriginally Posted by Samuel_Tow
If we are to have a Broadsword set for Blasters, then perhaps we should have a gun that shoots swords? It'd be like that old Gauntlet game I was too young to play
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And I would suggest that you stop trying to influence the market by driving up inflation. People already understand what the market will bear--they aren't stupid. However, assuming that the best price is always the HIGHER price...IS pretty stupid.
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I like it--I like it a lot. How would you handle your customization options though? Would you have separate colors for the lasers? Multiple options for the chain gun that allow arcane/magic themes? Of course I personally would use this set as a cyborg/Iron man/mecha type character, but a lack of customization could be a problem for alternate origins...
Maybe a green burst with comet trail (for laser), a crossbow type contraption (for chain gun), and a modified slingshot (for missiles)? -
No thanks, I'd really prefer that origins didn't affect gameplay in that manner, especially since you can't respec into a new origin.
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And I hope that when they do implement power pool customization, it will include options not just for color changes, but the "Effects only in PvP" option that many Tank and Scrapper mitigation sets have.
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It's worse than that--I've seen corruptors advertising themselves as "healers" redside. Personally, I'm okay with it--people are welcome to play their characters any way they want. But if they're doing it because they think that's what people EXPECT or REQUIRE, then LOL.
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Quote:Can someone break the news to BBQ_Pork about "Healers" already existing in-game? 'Cause I don't have the heart to tell him myself.Originally Posted by BBQ_Pork
First we add Thieves, next it'll be Bards, Paladins and freakin' "Healers". As for Bards, aren't they just a kind of...charismatic, singing/buffing warrior or some such--a guy who sings and fights? Sounds like a lot of players I met on the drunk server...
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I find it truly amazing that people have reached the point where something as inoccuous as saying "gratz" gets under their skin. I can understand getting upset over people griefing you, using the slap emote on female characters, calling people out in broadcast, spamming blind invites, and a host of other things, but seriously, "gratz"?
You managed to combine a lack of social graces, misplaced priorities, and an overeagerness to be irritated. Gratz on the whole trolling thing. I'd give you a 7 out of 10. Maybe an 8/10 if you post again claiming to be offended by this. -
Quote:And yeah I really do think...Originally Posted by Roderick
Isn't it ironic?
Dontcha think?
It's like Going Rooooooooogue... when Emmert said "no way"... -
Quote:Now that's just crazy talk. You might as well ask for Co-op zones where heroes and villains work together. Madness!Originally Posted by BBQ_Pork
Oh please, they might as well give out badges for being logged out. Maybe different ones for logging out in different places.
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I've wanted this ever since I saw the option for it in the Champions Online costume creator. Sexy Jay can definitely do better than his counterpart over there--in fact I bet he could make multiple options for this. SO. MUCH. WANT!
Seriously. /SIGNED. -
Quote:I think the people who will use this feature the most would be solo players. It really won't have that much of an impact for dual boxers (I'm guessing most RMT'ers fall in this category), and people with trusted friends (my girlfriend and I trade inf around easily and frequently). I would guess that most RMT'ers have multiple accounts and just do the old dual box swap. I doubt adding this feature will open the RMT floodgates or anything, although I do understand your concern.Originally Posted by BBQ_Pork
Yes, we definately need to add the ability to Email Inf in I-17. That way it'll be even easier for RMT'ers to transfer Inf to thier customers and thier "bank toons"!
Awesome!
Bah ******* humbug. -
Quote:Good gravy! What sorcery is this? *Scoffs* What's next, the ability to customize the colors of our powers? The option of a second build for our characters? Next you'll be telling me that we only have to be level 20 to get access to Epic Archetypes! *shakes head and laughs at own ridiculously implausible requests*Originally Posted by Oneirohero
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Quote:But no one mentioned Hitler yet and...CRAP!!! Nevermind.Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
Mass bumping, request for personal redname address, and standard code rant. This thread just went solid gold.
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Quote:That would be great--you know what I'd like too? I'd like the ability to switch my characters from one side (say blueside) to the other side (say redside) and vice versa. And I'd also like a new zone as an alternative to Atlas Park and Mercy Island. And maybe some new archetypes would be good too--how about a new ranged set and a new MM set?Originally Posted by new2this
So iam a mega alt-aholic. why can i not transfer influence/infamy to lower lvl toons from my high lvl rich ones? seems like this is such a simple thing and would help me greatly as well as lots of other folks i am sure
Nah, that's probably too much to ask for. *twirls handlebar mustache and climbs back on unicycle*
Too bad, really.
*rides away*