UberGuy

Obviously, no one is going to be able to show that. And it doesn't matter. The devs themselves would not hold such claims to such a standard. I see no reason anyone should be bothered to try and make proofs to such a standard to another poster, childish threats to wield the forum rules as a weapon non-withstanding.

And remember, I disagree with EG's position.

This just seems so dumb to me. "I'm mad over how you handled this so I'm going to punish us both."

I don't know why PS is delaying Staff. I want a Staff character. I'm disappointed I haven't been able to have one already. I think it's good for people to tell PS they're disappointed. And yet, I consider the actual outrage over it by every party who's expressed in this thread childish.

The lesson here, IMO, is that PS should not put things on open beta that aren't going to be released for a long time. They won't release things sooner in absolute terms. People just won't know about them (or at least what state of readiness they are in) for as long in advance. Because the core of the lesson is that people can't deal with waiting.

It does, but there's really not much reason to do so in PvE. Pretty much nothing can see you unless it ignores Stealth completely.

Since the game came out. And yes, I have been here since the pre-release head-start.

This is trivial to test, since the patch isn't live. Log something in, turn on a toggle, log them out. Log them back in, oh, 20 minutes later. Their toggles will be off.

Yes, you can. I've been doing it for the better part at least since the previous issue. On live.

I stopped reading right there.

How are you sick of something that just happened?

You have to remember, there's zero indication that the devs think this is a problem. Heck, there's zero indication they even acknowledge what we're saying actually happens, but even if they do acknowledge it, there's no indication that they consider it a problem that needs any fixing. Given that, I think expecting them to add taunts to powersets that might not "need" it mechanically (like Invul, WP or Shield) is probably premature.

* angles bare lightbulb

Where were you on the evening the Devs tested Regen on a server with no purple patch?

Oh, I think you know I agree. I dislike the AI's behavior a lot. I don't get down on it affecting my drops/hour or something like that in standard play, like some people do, but I don't enjoy it.

I just thought it was strange to be so declarative about the likelyhood that a "fix" for that would appear in the form of in-set taunt auras for new Scrapper secondaries.

I don't really experience that, except in the sense that I do have better AoE on most of my Scrappers, which means that stuff that isn't their primary target sometimes runs due to being caught in those AoEs. My high-level Stalker has no AoE outside of Judgement. Her main target will run if it isn't disabled by other effects, and the Interface DoT delivered by Judgement will also definitely set things running.

Some players dislike the notion that Scrappers have no "mechanic" that is strictly unique to them. This appears to be separate from the notion that Scrappers, taken as a while, function as a unique archetype. That appears to be inadequate. Because all of their individual, obvious features, such as Critical Hits, can be found in other ATs, and because they do not possess a clearly distinct role, this creates a desire among these players for the devs to add something clearly distinctive to the Scrapper AT. It appears less important to these players that the addition be a clear "buff" to the performance of the AT, though they generally acknowledge that any meaningful change probably counts as a buff of some kind.

A related but different set of these players hold that, because Stalkers are now arguably better at single target damage, and because Brutes are "good enough" at damage and have the added role of aggro management (with attendant increased durability and the benefits of taunt auras), that there is no room for an AT which splits this difference. These players suggest that without some buff and/or distinguishing characteristic, Scrappers will be suffer a decline in creation or retention beyond that due simply to improvement in time share of other ATs such as Stalkers - the prediction here is that Scrappers will be viewed as actively inferior. These players appear to lean towards any Scrapper changes amounting to an actual meaningful improvement in Scrapper combat performance, even if it an indirect one such as improved endurance efficiency, to keep the AT "above water" with respect to other melee ATs.

I hold neither of these views, and so it's possible I have captured their essence incorrectly. I was quoted in this thread's OP because discussion on this topic (I know of three threads where this is being discussed) spurred me to have an idea that wasn't so much a buff for Scrappers, but something they could bring to teammates. It was something I would be less leery of supporting than most other suggestions I had seen, though I still don't think any change is particularly called for.

This (set of) discussion(s) was directly precipitated by the I22 improvements to Stalkers. Related discussions have happened before, also in relation to previous Stalker buffs, but now that Stalkers appear truly competitive with (or even superior to) Scrappers in at least one area of performance, the discussion has come back with a vengeance.

Dammit, woman, coffee in the nasal passages hurts!

It would be nice if they did that, but it would be terribly unwise of them to set that precedent, even if it would generate a lot of positive feeling. They're going to make mistakes like the PS proc thing, or just decide that things need to be changed, and if they set a precedent of refunding for it here, they're opening themselves up to people demanding it for future changes on the basis of them having done it for past ones.

Believe me, I think it'd be awesome if they did. Unfortunately, I just don't think they can do so safely. It will make them look like buttheads to some people, but probably to less people than doing it inconsistently in the future. Because, let's face it, there's no way they'll be able to offer refunds for everything they change.

Wow, thank you. That was minor but still really, really annoying. There was concern out there that this was an intentional change.

Bwuh? Does this mean that if you log out toggled up, you'll log in that way no matter the elapsed time? If so, that's different. (This would eliminate the occasional crop up of detoggling when zoning.)

Sounds like this will make Mesmerize useful as a mez again in Dark Astoria. Well, OK, not mine since my Controller has a damage-dealing Interface, but still...

This one should be interesting. I knew about this, but I bet some folks didn't. It was making some cones basically proc on every target. They'll notice it stopping working that way.

Knew about this, figured it'd cause the reaction seen in the discussion before my post.

Neat.

* rubs hands together

Interesting.
Now, about all those other missions and arcs that send you to Echo: DA...

Yay.
Yay!

I have no idea why you think that, unless you think the set is going to have a scaling mechanic that calls for it, like Invincibility.

The devs are not going to give new Scrapper sets (and only new sets) taunt auras because of runners.

That's been discussed a few times. No one does that. Seriously, virtually no designer wants to do that. After years of seeing the limits of what they created, seeing how they could have done it better, they are not going to extend the same game. They're going to take the "license to build" they get from a publisher and recreate something better, informed by what they learned making the first one. At a bare minimum they will make a sequel, and they will very, very likely make that sequel mechanically incompatible with the original, even if it has some similar mechanics.

On top of that, virtually no publisher wants to spend the cost and risk of that level of development on something that's not at least sequel-level new. I'm not saying that's good or right, it's just not the way the business level is going to work.

"CoH 1.5 "is even less likely than "CoH: The sequel".

This was covered on page one of the thread. There's no indication that stopping dealing with those languages was some effort to staunch bleeding of finances from a dying patient. They simply decided they didn't have the in-house resources to do it well without taking time from other things, and it wasn't enough players to justify outlay to staff up (or contract out) for it.

Yeah. Honestly that didn't occur to me, given that he was talking about six-slotted ToDs and Oblits, but you're right. Ideally, a WP wouldn't be built that way to start with. I maybe can see Oblits in AoEs for the smaller typed defense they offer plus the recharge. I've know people to do that, but I definitely don't see that with ToDs.

I do not have a Defense-based Stalker to take to DA, but I have taken Defense-based characters of other kinds to DA and of course on iTrials. How they do depends a lot on how close you can get them to the Incarnate softcap. Even resist oriented characters can be torn up by the foes in DA. On top of their "native" +14% toHit, BP and KoV both have foes with -defense, and then have liberal amounts of Psi and Toxic damage, respectively. Dark Armor, for example, will do well against Psi, but not so much Toxic. Electric Armor won't really do well against either unless they're running Power Surge.

Some of the stuff in DA is just bad mojo.