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I've honestly never had McKnight or any "mission pet" NPCs do that...

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The other day, my Mastermind was doing the second of the Midnighter missions, the one where you end up facing Kadabra Kill and his wifey.

For some reason I can't fathom, Kadabra Kill spawned as a +6 Hero (I was playing on Villainous, the minimum difficulty). I was able to peel away his escorts and defeat them all (tough to do, they were all purple conns). I then went after the hero himself.

He's a Grav/Kin character with healing, holds and so on. He was capable of one-shotting all my soldiers at once. He slapped a hold on me, used siphon speed and ran away at mach 9. In a matter of seconds, he had healed all the damage I had managed to do (which wasn't much).

At one point, I actually got him down to about half health (much resummoning, and many inspirations), at which point he siphoned speed and zoomed away to regenerate. It was physically impossible for me to catch him, slow him or immobilize him. Tar Patch had no effect once he hit siphon speed.

If he would have stayed and fought, I would have eventually beaten him. As it was, I had to drop the mission entirely because he kept running away.

This IS a problem, and I think it's fairly serious.

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My Crab has no problem, but he forwent a Travel Power in favour of Hurdle (2xJump) + CJ. I can actually outrun the mobs now. But yeah, it's kinda annoying.

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Not when they siphon speed you, I assure you.

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Siphon Speed has no -Jump Speed component.

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No, but it has a HELL of a lot of +run speed for them.

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The other day, my Mastermind was doing the second of the Midnighter missions, the one where you end up facing Kadabra Kill and his wifey.

For some reason I can't fathom, Kadabra Kill spawned as a +6 Hero (I was playing on Villainous, the minimum difficulty). I was able to peel away his escorts and defeat them all (tough to do, they were all purple conns). I then went after the hero himself.

He's a Grav/Kin character with healing, holds and so on. He was capable of one-shotting all my soldiers at once. He slapped a hold on me, used siphon speed and ran away at mach 9. In a matter of seconds, he had healed all the damage I had managed to do (which wasn't much).

At one point, I actually got him down to about half health (much resummoning, and many inspirations), at which point he siphoned speed and zoomed away to regenerate. It was physically impossible for me to catch him, slow him or immobilize him. Tar Patch had no effect once he hit siphon speed.

If he would have stayed and fought, I would have eventually beaten him. As it was, I had to drop the mission entirely because he kept running away.

This IS a problem, and I think it's fairly serious.

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My Crab has no problem, but he forwent a Travel Power in favour of Hurdle (2xJump) + CJ. I can actually outrun the mobs now. But yeah, it's kinda annoying.

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Not when they siphon speed you, I assure you.

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Well, one thing is... Don't chase the runners. I know it seems counter productive, but I've noticed that when chasing after early runners, a lot of time, they'll stop, turn around, see I'm still chasing them and start running again, leading me on a merry chase if I'm playing melee. I suspect that there is code in there that makes runners check to see if they are being pursued, and if they are, they keep on running. But if you don't go chasing after them, they tend to forget they're being chased and either slowly walk back to their point of origin, or just hang out where they wound up.

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I've seriously never seen this happen in 4+ years of playing. I see them stop if I get an attack in on them while they're running, but never just stop on their own a short distance away and come back. Stopping and waiting for the runners to come back to me usually would mean more time standing around than playing. They tend to run until they're far enough away for the AI to wipe aggro.

What you may be seeing is some ranged attackers will run until they're at range and stop to attack. Longbow Eagles and Family Hitmen, for example, tend to do this. Others will pause to take a pot shot then continue running.

This is toeing the modsmack line...

...effing funny, though.

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I clearly missed something: this is live when? Or is it just on test servers now?

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Neither. Yet. This is what's called a "features announcement".

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I worry about the devs giving you guys what you want.. You wanted flashback so damn bad.. and look no one EVER is even in there..

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There are ALWAYS people in Oro when I go there. People don't generally hang out there, though. They're usually, yanno, doing their flashbacks. Which don't take place in Oro.

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More is never bad, but more + good is even better.

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*Hands over a tribble* Oh, they breed asexually. And fast. More is always better, though, right?

Gotta also take size into consideration on the zone comparison there...

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The goth-ified HP gang is a bit mind-breaking, too.

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Your mind is not broken yet.

... It was the first thing I thought of. Perhaps I spend too much time on the Intertubez.

I don't do Rickrolls, by the way.

You may wish I had.

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Yeah, gonna need this in Cosco quantities again.

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O nobody is saying they didnt give us VEATs that we had to wait 2 years for. Then tell us they are the same minions we have been beating up for the last 2 years. But the reason why we got them is cause of how story driven they are well they fit to the story line.

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"Story driven" is and always has been the whole point of epic archetypes.

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lol plz learn to read the whole post. The fact that they are story driven is my point. where is the story? theres a complete lack of arcs/sf and/or trial for them.

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Are you kidding? You get a short arc every 5 levels at least until 25 for them, probably farther. You HAVE actually gone to the contact you get referred to by the VEAT starting contact, right? Then the one he refers you to, then....etc.

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Not to metion the story line actualy lacks in quality in compared to HEATs.

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Did you PLAY Khelds when they first came out? Wasn't much beyond the first 10 levels in the way of Kheld arcs.

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the issue after HEATs they got all there contacts and there sf. there arcs are longer and go past lvl 25. Heros have far more missions plus a far better story line. VEATs story is bleh at best So i dont really see how you can not understand where im coming from.

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"Bad story" ( In your opinion ) =/= "No story". Also, you said there were no arcs. I pointed out that there were. The question wasn't of the quality, it was of their presence. If you want my opinion on quality, they're okay. Not great, but not bad. Absolutely more than Khelds had upon release. I'm also pretty sure they didn't have arcs up to 50 in the very next issue. I believe it took a few issues before they got that.

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O nobody is saying they didnt give us VEATs that we had to wait 2 years for. Then tell us they are the same minions we have been beating up for the last 2 years. But the reason why we got them is cause of how story driven they are well they fit to the story line.

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"Story driven" is and always has been the whole point of epic archetypes.

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lol plz learn to read the whole post. The fact that they are story driven is my point. where is the story? theres a complete lack of arcs/sf and/or trial for them.

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Are you kidding? You get a short arc every 5 levels at least until 25 for them, probably farther. You HAVE actually gone to the contact you get referred to by the VEAT starting contact, right? Then the one he refers you to, then....etc.

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Not to metion the story line actualy lacks in quality in compared to HEATs.

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Did you PLAY Khelds when they first came out? Wasn't much beyond the first 10 levels in the way of Kheld arcs.

I've never had any gaps until the mid-late 30s myself. For the first couple years, CoH had the gaps sooner. And, up to about 25, I find I outlevel the zones before I get all of their contacts ( In some cases, before I even get half of them ). Just from one mayhem granted mission contact, Martial Brass, and Willy in Cap, I'm usually ready to move onto Sharkhead. I haven't done, say, Golden Roller in ages.

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O nobody is saying they didnt give us VEATs that we had to wait 2 years for. Then tell us they are the same minions we have been beating up for the last 2 years. But the reason why we got them is cause of how story driven they are well they fit to the story line.

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"Story driven" is and always has been the whole point of epic archetypes.

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<OT> "We solemnly swear we are up to no good"... not that it's entirely apropos of my posts here, but eh. It's a HP reference, not too surprising given the icon itself.

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I know the reference. Just couldn't read it because of the text being distorted by the shrinking of the image. The goth-ified HP gang is a bit mind-breaking, too.

<OT> What the hell is the tiny white text on your avatar, Jasani? Even zooming in on the image I can't read it because it's been shrunk down too far. Zooming in only ends up with pixeled gunk that was once letters.

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Where are the NEW ZONES for VILLAINS?
Gosh where is the New Content for Villains?


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Where are the NEW ZONES for HEROES?
Gosh where is the New Content for Heroes?

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Heroes don't really need any new zones. Like I said before on hero side, there are still zones and contacts I have never seen or spoken to in 4 years of playing this game.

Villains side, I've exsperienced everything... 5 times. Villains are the ones lacking in the content department.

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And oddly enough... the number of villan players is much smaller than hero players.

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In part because they have less content. Actually, the villain population jumped significantly when VEATs were added.

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SoA
Y.U.C.K.

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O.O Have you actually PLAYED them past 24? A half-arsed played SoA at higher levels makes a well played Kheld look like a newbie. And that's saying a lot, well played Khelds rock.

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Have I, who plays this game for HOURS on end without sleep.. Played an SoA past 24?

Yep, and I still think their sucky. I would rather have a good corr on my team anyday.. Or even all stalkers and me...

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*Boggles*

Well, back to the behemoths, then. Hehe

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But, it has the same name. I looked and it does the same thing, you make a crone of enegry and knocked the foes back. I only see the color that is diffent .

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But it doesn't have the same name. The blaster version is [energy blast.torrent]. Sister Psyches version is [sister psyche.torrent]. It's a different power that does the same thing but has a different color. Mobs simply don't use player power sets.

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Someone's gotta be on the negative side of things...

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Within reason.

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Sounds cool.
Does this include changing the power's color? Sorry if you already anwer this qustion

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That would require a LOT more work than what'd go into just a normal issue. A whole new game engine. This is something that's been discussed hundreds of times before already.

[/ QUOTE ] Oh, but they did it with some of the NPCs. Like Sister, Infernal, and Synsnape speed, and we can have red enegry and elec powers .

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The NPCs have their own powersets. They can have, say, red energy blasts because they're not using the Energy Blast powerset that blasters use.

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No, you've missed the point entirely.

It's often said that MMO's have pen-n-paper games as their ancestor. There's one playstyle of those old p-n-p games that has never really been supported well in MMO's- the GM. In any pnp game group, there's at least one. Depending on your group size, that might be 1 in 4 or 1 in 10, but that's still a large market to tap into.

1) A market that LIKES telling stories, creating things, and sharing them. Something they can only find in limited ways in other places, meaning CoH can carve out an appealing little niche for them.

2) Almost every pnp GM I knew was also leader/organizer of the community. You often played what he wanted around his schedule. He's also the type to gravitate into organizer/leader positions in online games. If HE wants to check out this game to experiment on this, he's more likely to influence others to do so also.



And... despite there being plenty of pnp GM's out there making their own content, those game developers kept cranking out modules for people that wanted something professionally done....

If this is done right, this won't mean the develo

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Someone call 911, something happened to Chase in mid-sentence!

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Maybe he said Candleja

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I love in Posi's letter how he talks about 'rewards' for the missions created by the users. How it was bantered back and forth in the office with raised voices. I have a nagging suspicion this means no xp/influence/etc for these missions in which case. Crappy system and count me out. Not gonna bust my butt to create tons of missions that grant absolutely no reward.

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Then you missed the entire point of the mission creator.

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Oh I got the point. I got it a long time ago. This is a great way for the devs to have the players create content for them so that they don't have to. We already provide free Q&A services when we Beta test the issues. Now they want us to be quasi-content creators. Then if were lucky enough to be sprinkled with the blessings of 'Devs Choice' then our mission will give rewards. Great.

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No, you've missed the point entirely.

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You're wasting your time. I see these types on game forums way too often. Viewing test centers and customization features like these as using customers as "free employees". Apparently it's too much for their tiny brains to comprehend that these things are completely optional basis and if they don't like "helping the devs for free", then they don't have to.

As for the mission creator specifically, it sounds like it'll be an absolutely amazing RP tool.

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SoA
Y.U.C.K.

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O.O Have you actually PLAYED them past 24? A half-arsed played SoA at higher levels makes a well played Kheld look like a newbie. And that's saying a lot, well played Khelds rock.

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I love in Posi's letter how he talks about 'rewards' for the missions created by the users. How it was bantered back and forth in the office with raised voices. I have a nagging suspicion this means no xp/influence/etc for these missions in which case. Crappy system and count me out. Not gonna bust my butt to create tons of missions that grant absolutely no reward.

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Then you missed the entire point of the mission creator.

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Oh I got the point. I got it a long time ago. This is a great way for the devs to have the players create content for them so that they don't have to. We already provide free Q&A services when we Beta test the issues. Now they want us to be quasi-content creators. Then if were lucky enough to be sprinkled with the blessings of 'Devs Choice' then our mission will give rewards. Great.

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You're a real "The glass is half empty" guy, aren't you? Little black raincloud, go rain on someone else's picnic.