Twisted Toon

Cause you might miss your turn?

What aspect of Hover's previous design are you referring to? The fact that it totally negated KB, or its slower that running speed?

The KB issue was a bug. I agreed with the Dev's fix for that.

The Speed issue was a non issue for me. I never used Hover for a travel power.

My stance was that I didn't think that Hover's speed needed to be changed, but I wasn't going to complain if it was changed.

My stance here is, I don't think that squishies need any mez protection since they multiple tools to deal with mezzing foes that most Meleers do not have.

I need to see if I can load that up on my computer and still play it. I knew I shouldn't have gotten rid of my computer that had Windows 3.11 on it.

Correct, IO sets and their bonuses are there to help characters deal with challenges. However, the devs decided that Mezes should be dealt with by using resistance and not protection. Except for KB, which doesn't really have a duration to mitigate, only a magnitude, which is why there are -KB enhancements and bonuses, and not KB resistance enhancements and bonuses. That one is more of a game mechanics issue.

You might consider investing in some Stun resistance if Longbow stuns are giving you that much trouble.

Unless they've changed it fro the last time I used my Dark/Dark, the stun portion of howling Twilight is not PBAoE, just the Rez portion. the Stun is ranged AoE. I could be wrong. Its been a while since I played my Dark/Dark. But I recall stunning a group at range to rez my team on occasion.

Now I know how to get you to think about me more...

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You said it was unsigned, right?

Makes BaB say "WTF?!?" too.

The depth of the upgrades would be dependent on the resources, and we both agree that Blizzard has more of that than Paragon Studios.


Must...stop...replying...

Looks like I'll have to start using "incident report" language while talking about people. In place of a he or a she, I'll just have to use the inconvenient words "Individual", "Victim" and "Suspect". All three of which are gender neutral.

For the record, I never talk about a known female gendered Individual/Victim/Suspect (take your pick) using a masculine pronoun. However, I do talk about unknown gendered Individuals/Victims/Suspects (take your pick) using the simple He/Him/His. Generally, because I assume that the female gender wouldn't be as rude as a the male gender. But, I guess there is equality there as well. I suppose they could be even worse than the male, but I'd rather not assume that.

As for the actual topic of the thread...

I tend to let the mission holder click the glowy and follow the star holder's lead. I might offer suggestions at times, though. But, I rarely ever PuG.

Of course! To help other people level up.

So, other than subscriber numbers, CoH and WoW aren't that different. Both have been upgraded and both are "old".

Resistance is futile! We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service ours.

I find it doubtful that WoW changes into a completely new game with each expansion as well. More stuff added, level caps raised, yadda yadda, but at the end of the day, the main functionality of the game remains the same. Much like any other MMO.

In other words, you don't know if the requirements change from expansion to expansion? I do know, for a fact, that the requirements for CoH have gone up. The computer I had back in 2004 could still run the game today, at reduced graphics settings. That is a problem that MMOs will need to take into consideration with their updates.

Also, the group that put together CoH, to my knowledge, didn't really have prior game programming experience. I would be willing to bet that the current Devs are working on re-writting the poorly written code with better stuff and surgically inserting it in so the game runs more efficiently. In fact, I beleive that the Devs here are doing just that. That's part of how we managed Power Customization in the first place.

You are correct. However, you (and he) indirectly brought profits into the mix with your introduction of subscribers. You also seem to refuse to admit that WoW is an anonaly in that regard.

Yes, it is. When the amount of profits have no bearing to the question asked.

Obviously someone thinks so, if WoW's subscriber numbers are waved around like a banner in any MMO discussion.

I guess I should have used Stupid profit instead, eh?

Actually, logic taken to extemes is used to justify all kinds of stupidity, not common sense. many people confuse the two.



Are you irritated with me yet?

Is that dry humor I sense...


...or just Scirocco's whirling dust devils of doom?

The problem is, that expectations are subjective. One person my be fine with watching TV with their Significant Other, while the Other expects something more while watching TV. So, it can be difficult, especially before you really get to know someone, to match expectations with what you'd provide.

For the record, I don't expect a kiss on the first date.
I agree. Which is why I attempt to keep mine in check. The one I have the most problems with, that I know of, is when I'm driving. I want slower drivers to get out of my way. However, I do seem to drive at the edge of the speed laws. So, not getting out of someone else's way might actually save them from getting a ticket. Yes, I know. Rationalizations aren't always good either.

And nobody else realized this?

Well, you did fail to mention Going Rogue, which will be adding multiple zones to the game, in addition to other things. Also, Ouroboros, was introduced in 2007, if I'm not mistaken. Cimerora was added after that. All of that was after CoV.

Since we're discussing upgrades, does WoW's minimum requirements change from expansion to expansion?

About the profits. I did not even attempt to compare profitability, nor did I attempt to contrast profitability. I just pointed out that both are profitable. You were the one that tried to compare the two.

The amount of profit or subscribers is really irrelevant to my main question.


I did not mention Power Customization. Thank you for the effort though.

The amount of profit that one company makes over another is totally irrelevant to determine whether either company needs to remake a product. both companies are profitable.

There is common sense, then there is greed. Where's the line between common sense profit and greedy profit?

Also, using WoW subscriber numbers as a baseline is totally absurd. Something to aim for, maybe. But the baseline to which all MMOs should function? Not even close.



Ok, agreeing to disagree.

Sorry, Clouded. I did try...sorta.

So, what do you call a leper in a hottub?

Actually, the Heroic difficulty setting was brought up by the OP, along with an overly exagerated need of Breakfrees to complete a mission. As you can see by the following quote.


So, I would suggest that you actually read the entire thread, then comment about the relevancy of certain positions posted in the thread.

I guess that wold depend on your definition of major, I suppose. I think the complete change of how teaming works was a rather major change, and that happened less than a month ago. So, my question would stil stand.

So, because Person #1 doesn't make as much money as person #2, they should stop and completely change everything that they are? Why?

Both games are making money. So, CoH doesn't have as many subscribers as the anomaly that is WoW. Big deal. CoH is still making money. If something is actually making a profit, why remake it? Just for the sake of remaking it?

Obviously, I have no busines sense, since I don't see a need to totally remake a perfectly viable source of profit. And the fact that I don't really see a need to make a 1000% profit every quarter.

And CoH doesn't? Issue 16: Power Spectrum changed the fundamentals of teaming with Super SideKicking and the new challenge settings.


Personally, I think we should just agree to disagree here.

I agree. Stamina is not nearly as "mandatory" to play the game as most people seem to think it is. I have many characters that are in the upper 30s and 40s that do not have Stamina and do not have problems with Endurance during fights.

Conversely, when you ignore the numerous methods of dealing mezzing mobs and insist that mezzers are an insurmountable problem, you are also showing yourself to be rude and ignorant of what has been posted in the thread.

I suppose I could have made that the TL;DR version and just say Pot meet Kettle.

From what I have gathered from the powers available to the PBs and WSs, the PBs seem to be more of the scrapper/Defender hybrid (human form, that is) while the WSs are more the Controller/Blaster hybrid.

That's just the way I see it.

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I think you missed the point...yet again.

Let me try this one more time.

CoH is "old"

WoW is "old"

Article, allegedly, reads as CoH needs a remake because it is "old".

No mention of profitability.

Now for the hard mathematical part.

If CoH="old" and WoW="old" and CoH="needs remake" Then WoW=|="needs remake"

I'm sorry, that does not compute. It is illogical.

Does that make things clearer to you?

They do? Funny, I didn't notice. I have just as much fun playing my level 1s as I do my level 50s, and all the levels in between. I didn't realize I had to have a reason to get to 50 other than I get experience for beating up the bad/good guys and foiling their plots. I must be doing it wrong.