TrueMetal

I still don't get how you can be that poor

My poorest level 50 is my rad/rad defender (also my only hero 50 since I'm a villain player). I leveled him in PuGs in a 4 weeks period in order to get a 50 to participate in a STF and so I could get Kheldians. Since he hit 50 I have taken him out on only 2 other occasions, the STF and this years winter event.

He has over 150 mil left on his 'account' after slotting him with lvl50 SO's. Just from playing random missions and selling his drops.

150 isn't a fortune but enough to pluck in some decent sets in attacks and other key powers.

To bad none of the new/less well connected people know about this community because some people insist to play hidden from the rest...

Lots of stacked defense
Lots of ranged damage output
Ranged heal
4 of you knew eachother

Seems pretty close to an ideal team if you ask me

As a MM you shoudln't have been getting any agro. When fighting multiple heroes your brutes (or dominators, or whoever is in charge of agro control) should be keeping the agro away from the squishies, and you should make sure you're out of the AoE agro range from the heroes.

If squishies start dieing you'll lose buffs and dps and things'll get dicey. If the brutes can't hold of more than 1 hero they should use inspirations untill they can. If that means getting a new full tray after each hero death than so be it.

Of course this isn't as easy as I make it sound, at least not for PuGs where noone really know eachothers skills and play styles.

The next time someone tells you something like that, tell them that they're an idiot and ignore the 'advice'.

Even if all you manage to do is to keep 1 minion up, it's still more dps than nothing.

This is what I've been trying to say. Couldn't agree more. Teamplay and knowing what your team can do are key, not what AT they bring.

The LRSF is hard. The hardest thing in the game, excluding hamidon imo. (except when you're doing it on a weekly basis with an experienced crew, then it really isn't.) For the other parts he's right though, you don't necessarily NEED any sort of temps (doesn't stop me from carrying shivs around, but I wont use em if I believe the team can do without). You also don't NEED any specific team make up (an all s/l dmg team can get you into trouble though, unless you have a lot of debuffs) All sorts of combinations can and have completed LRSF's and even MoLRSFs. For a pug though you do need a balanced team and a strong tanking brute that knows his stuff, imo.




Apart from the insults that last one is right though, I too am struggling to see were they did go wrong. The team make up was solid, they even had loads of Shivs. So basicly, the only other option left is that they did it wrong.

My advise is, if you really want to complete it, is to get a semi regular group togheter and just practice it every week untill you succeed, learning from mistakes. Or tag along with an already experienced team. PuGs can be very hit or miss, both in terms of fun and succes, because some people, even with years of vet rewards under their belt are just bad players no matter which way you look at it.

This is true, I once did a LGTF with all decent players that went great rite up until the point that we fought the Honoree, we just couldn't kill him. Why? same problem I had on the all brute LRSF I mentioned above. 7 out of our 8 players were smashing or lethal damage (I was a dark/dark corr specced for buffs and control), we just couldn't crack his combination of unstoppable and regen. Only LGTF I ever failed.

The last mission can be tough, especially on PuGs. But it's not THAT hard either. There are only 3 things you 'need' on the LRSF imo:
1) a Brute that is able take and hold the agro of multiple Heros at the same time and makes it his job to tank for the team.
2) 2 corruptors/masterminds (preferbly 1 with buffs and one with debuffs, but 2 of the same will work too) That make it their job to keep the brute alive.
3) an insp tray filled with 3-4 rows of lucks.

You can fill the rest with whatever you like. None of the players need to have expensive slottings, decent SO builds will do just fine, as long as you take people that know how to play their respective toons and play as a team.

Our SG used to do these on a weekly basis (3-8 SG players and friends, the rest PuG) most of us are inactive now though, so it's been a while. We got quite good at it.

Our usual 'tactics' for the final mission were fairly straightforward:
Gather in front of the platform with the heros
Everyone buffs up.
The tanker brute takes purples till softcapped, the rest takes 2-3 (or till softcap).
Tanker brute charges in takes the agro from 8 heroes and herds em into a bunch, his main focus now is to keep all the agro on him and to stay alive.
Debuffs are aplied.
other melee jumps in and start on numina
All the squishies stay out of the AoE attack range from the 8 angry heros focussed on the tank and start also on numina, if this means squishies can't use some of their attacks due to range than so be it.
Reaply buffs when needed and healers should focus on the tank, since all the agro is held by the main brute and all squishies are out of harms way, this should be doable.
7 people keep their damage focussed on 1 hero at a time
Numina -> Sister -> Positron -> whoever bothers you the most.

Easy as pie

Someone mentioned the possibility of an all brute LRSF in this thread, this is very doable. Out SG tried this once and it went very well. We didn't complete however because we overlooked one tiny detail. 5 of our 8 brutes were Super Strenght and 1 Energy Melee. This meant that we couldn't kill statesman because, when he's unstoppable he has 100% resistance to S/L/E dmg types. So the only ones doing a little bit of damage were our fire/invul and dark/dark brute. We killed all the other heros but had to stop after pounding away at states for a small hour. We weathered him down, he popped unstoppable, he regened to 3/4 life, we took him down, he popped unstoppable, ... One on the chin for FotM powersets, eh?

All *insert AT* LRSF's can certainly be done though, I know of all dominator, all stalker and of course all VEAT MoLRSF's being completed. And this wasn't during the horrible -1 period.

I'd say that the more different people report a griefer indepentantly from eachother the more weight is added to the 'accusations', even if it does 'clog up' the petition line. The more the merrier.

You now, back in the day, we (EU people) had our own team that organised events like this for us ... Support for the EU went down fast ever since they closed that down. Makes you wonder why NCSoft still bothers with keeping us around.

I'm not opposed to this sort of mentallity, but I just really don't get it. If a novel is trashy and has boring parts, I simply don't read it ...

But as you said, to each their own.

Zullen we deze discussie dan maar in het Nederlands voort zetten? En Francais peut-etre? Non?

Cheap attack is cheap, sweetcheeks.

I wasn't trying to insult you, nor flamebaiting, I was just making an observation.

But obviously you rather make fun of the foreign guy with his funny accent than say something sensible, so I'll leave you be.

Strange, this is the same feeling I got when I read some of your posts on this subject...

Being critical of information is necessary, but the rampant amount of paranoya you have displayed over something as minor as this is astonnishing.

Dispite my earlier post, I have to say that you do make a good point here.

Still not enough for me to get worked up about though.

I work in a 3 shift system, so this affects me too. The new hours are indeed 'worse' than the previous ones, but all in all this change isn't really significant enough to get worked up over. EVE Online for example has maintenance every day for hours during noon. (well for me it's between 13.00 and 14.00) That's a lot worse.

It's illegal in most of Europe too. The Netherlands being the notable exception. In Belgium it's illegal, but noone is going to raise much of a ruckus if you're cought with a small amount for personal use, it'll get confiscated and you might get a fine. Bigger amounts will get you into more trouble.

There's a Know Issues thread from 9/11 in the Issue 16 ... Chatter & Discussion.

They should find one spot to post those in and keep them there, it can be a bit confusing like this.