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Quote:These bonus pieces go a long way to correct the imbalances and conceptual misfires in the original packs that players complained about. The devs listened and promised to take their criticisms into account in future, so we can look forward to better balanced and thematically coherent packs, e.g. the sci-fi and the elemental packs. Why complain about how a pair of jeans will get more use for someone whose office has "casual Fridays" than someone who always wears a suit during the working week?The part where it's not fair to those of us with a stable of predominantly male characters, and my $5 only buys my favorite characters 1 costume when it'll buy someone else 2, and we paid for the exact same thing...?
Oh, and I have overwhelmingly male chars (regular build) among my numerous alts, and I'm perfectly happy with these updates. They mean much more to other players than any perceived slight toward my preferences. -
Quote:No doubt these will be well worth the wait - many thanks for taking the time and trouble to port over all these pieces.Just wanted to let you know that I am very excited to bring to you something that you have been asking for, for a long time...
Thanks for the extra good news. That's going to spur sales, especially for those players on the fence about these costume packs. -
Quote:It's absolutely unacceptable for this problem to exist five months after CoH Freedom was launched. At the time, we were assured repeatedly that subscribing players would be treated as VIP customers and that the transition to the new business model would retain the perks for longtime players. The persistent problems since then with getting Paragon Points and Rewards Tokens on time are only aggravated further by the reliability of purchasing them directly through the new Market, to say nothing of the coming new purchasing model of Super Packs.Zwillinger, the customer support team from the front line GMs in game to the "senior" GMs don't know what the heck they are talking about, they don't know what the heck is going on and can't be bothered to check beyond looking at the NCsoft knowledge base, or they are blatantly lying to the customers. At this point I'm not willing to give them much leeway. Paragon Studios and NCsoft needs to get their act together. You don't treat paying customers like crap. I don't feel like a VIP for being a subscriber.
At this point I'm beyond frustrated. I'm beyond upset. I just want this FIXED.
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This thread has a lot of nicely said points and is a testament to the CoH community.
Besides the already mentioned Golden Rule* and Wheaton's Law, I have some personal maxims that I'm still in the process of codifying/ripping off:- You are responsible for your own fun. Find something you can enjoy in the game yourself, and should you get bored or frustrated with that, find something different.
- Fun is a positive-sum game. If you're having fun, then the players around you are more likely to as well, and vice versa.
- It takes all kinds to make an MMORPG (viz. the Bartle Test's).
- Know your role. If you're unclear about this, or your fellow players are, speak up and speak clearly.
- Think before you /tell.
- Teh drama will lead only to tragedy.
- What happens in game stays in game.
- Never mind the buzzkills. If you're being griefed by a truly determined troll, just walk away/kick them/put them on ignore/quit the team/log off. Trolls have exactly as much power over you as you give them.
- Never attribute to trollishiness what can be adequately explained by n00bery.
- If all else fails, there's always real life.
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Quote:And like the Platonic ideal of the crazy uncle, he's making these outrageous statements in part to goad us. Basically, George Lucas has turned into a troll.I tend to think that we need to stop getting angry with Lucas and start treating him like that mad old uncle who we just nod and smile at whenever he starts talking. Poor old fool is clearly losing his marbles.
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While lots of artists pushed Power Girl's costume past the point of self-parody - though only Amanda Conner did it with any humor - Wally Wood created an original, memorable design that's a shame to lose temporarily. There's no question that superheroes' classic costumes revert from redesigns as regularly as their wearers come back from the dead.
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Quote:Indeed They certainly haven't repeated the experiment of offering an unique holiday-themed item for a week after the Pilgrim Hat.I expect that these kinds of metrics are being heavily-monitored by Paragon studios. I'm betting that we'll see a mixed bag here- special limited-time holiday sets taking advantage of the surge in players that show up for those events and more permanent general-purpose sets that are release during lower-traffic times.
Nonetheless, it would be nice if the holiday-themed costume packs were more appropriate (the Roman and Pocket D packs certainly don't need to be time-gated) or more timely (the Chinese Dynasty, which may or may not have limited availability, is being released well after the Chinese New Year). -
Quote:The Pilgrim Hat was available for only six days, but the costume packs vary between full availability and one-month ones.I haven't been paying attention to how long the packs are on sale but have the devs been putting packs on sale for less then a month?
On one hand, we've had the Barbarian Pack, the "Gunslinger" Pack, and the Carnival of Light Bundle, which are on offer year round.
On the other, there's the Halloween Costume Bundle (available from 10/18 to 11/18), the Winter Holiday Pack (12/20–1/31), the Roman Costume Bundle (1/31–2/29), and now the Pocket D Valentines Pack (2/7–3/6).
If the Chinese Dynasty Bundle similarly has only limited availability, then it would seem that Paragon Studios has decided that causing artificial scarcity is the best way to prod the CoH playerbase to burn through their points. -
Quote:Any studies would be interesting to see. The microtransaction market spans such a wide variety of games - from grinder F2P MMOs to social network-based "cow-clicker", as well as MTX hybrids like COX - that there would have to be some pretty specific data to draw conclusions for our case.There is a growing body of research in the microtransaction market that indicates that limited-time offers, both in terms of pricing and availability, are actually highly effective. Pretty solid numbers too, not just ephemeral trends subject to interpretation.
Quote:That said, good sales numbers do not necessarily add up to customer satisfaction, depending on how you measure such an elusive quantity.
The overall issue is that since CoH has moved from a subscription model with optional microtransactions to an F2P-MTX hybrid, there's a great deal of culture shock going on. Players who are used to being able to buy a given Super Pack year-round aren't going to react well to being informed that from now on, the Paragon Market equivalents will be available for only a week or a month at a time. -
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While that looks like a neat app, for those who object to using Facebook because of its security problems and privacy issues, there's good old-fashioned screenshots and e-mail. The Print Screen/F13 key is your friend.
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Quote:Very nice job all around. The Pocket D Pack gives real value for money, even for those of us who already have the VIP teleporter*, and several of the pieces look especially flexible when it comes to incorporating them into other costume designs.Total a la Carte price: 1060 Paragon Points
Bundle price: 400 Paragon Points
660 Paragon Points savings!
The limited time availability makes less sense, however, than offering this for a discount now and at full price for the rest of the year.
* Edit: Although those who have the teleporter and the dance emotes save only a little. -
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Incidentally, Chroncile's screenwriter, Max Landis, has a hilarious "educational parody" video about the 1992 Death of Superman comic event, starring Elijah Wood, Mandy Moore, Simon Pegg and many more. Its NSFW language of the "WTF" variety rules out linking here, but anyone Google it up with that information.
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Quote:The editorial job of DC's execs is to find, nurture, and retain creative talent. Recycling old material after burning bridges with its creators is the opposite of that.Say what you want as a fan, but the WB execs are doing their job pushing for these books.
After The Dark Knight Strikes Again, The Kingdom, DC's new The Spirit, the Star Wars prequel trilogy, Star Trek: Enterprise, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, The Godfather Part III, etc., etc., etc., any corporate decision to push prequels or sequels ought to be greeted with intense scepticism.
Even if Alan Moore had taken DC's earlier offer to write more Watchmen-related stories in exchange for getting his creator's rights back, the odds are that the results would be inferior to the original. Lightning rarely strikes twice in the same place, and when it does, it's even harder to bottle the second time around. -
And if this prequel series is financially successful, the DC editors will start thinking about which other Watchmen characters they can prequelize...
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Meanwhile, on the Baltic seafloor, a deep-sea treasure hunter has discovered a "UFO" (Unexplained Floating Object, I suppose). Their "sonar fish" found a mysterious artifact about 60 meters across and nearby smaller one with a similar shape, both with "drag marks" behind them that stretch back more than 400 feet. Cue the X-Files theme: ooh wee ooo ooo, ooh wee ooo ooo.
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Great, there's going to be hell to pay when the Russians discover that we've been using the Predecessors' gateways as a conduit for covert ops between the Leng Plateau in the Taklamakan Desert and the one in Lake Vostok in violation of the Dresden Agreement.
(Seriously, Fox News has been watching too many sci-fi horror movies.) -
Quote:Yes and no. Leaving aside the obvious point that the original creators should be the first candidates to tell any such stories, there was disagreement from the start about when Moore and DC discussed even the possibility of more. DC wanted more of the same, featuring the main characters from the series, such as "Rorschach's Journal" and "The Comedian's Vietnam War Diary". Although those subplots figured prominently in Watchmen's main narrative, DC obviously felt that if the readers loved it once they'll like it again. Moore and Gibbons rejected them, especially under other writers and artists. The only derivative projects they considered as potentially interesting were a "Tales of the Black Freighter" series and a Golden Age-style Minutemen project. Whether or not they would be - and Gibbons says that on reflection, neither of them would have been good ideas - is apparently now going to be tested without Moore's consent, in addition to other plot ideas he rejected at the time.
So Alan Moore and die hard fans of Watchmen, who say "Perfectly self-contained story that doesn't need more" are being silly. More stories would of been created.
For a long time, Moore's refusal was acceptable to DC, at least under ex-publisher Paul Levitz, who personally blocked Watchmen spinoffs because he didn't want to dilute the original or incur the backlash from the creative community. His replacement, Dan DiDio, has no such scruples, however, and DC tried to leverage their control over the copyright to convince Moore to acquiesce. Moore relates, "They offered me the rights to Watchmen back, if I would agree to some dopey prequels and sequels. So I just told them that if they said that 10 years ago, when I asked them for that, then yeah it might have worked, but these days I dont want Watchmen back. Certainly, I dont want it back under those kinds of terms.
Quote:DC kept printing it, thusly keeping the rights to the Watchmen. Alan Moore urshed in a new day for artists. DC comics urshered in a new day for comics with graphic novels.
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Quote:Yes, but the deal was further complicated by the absence of the graphic novel genre and the reprint market. Even the term "graphic novel" was fairly new and applied to only a few works.So the deal was they'd get the characters back once it went out of print and never did?
Watchmen was intended to be a 12-issue mini-series (a new-ish innovation at the time, too), not to be published as a single volume. Moore and Gibbons expected that DC would publish the series, reprinting some of the individual issues to fulfill backorders, and then revert the rights afterward. Reversion of publishing rights (and subsidiary rights, if any) to out-of-print books is a common practice in regular publishing and a standard part of boilerplate contracts. The copyright, however, remains the author's. In the comics industry, at the time, there was virtually no precedent for a self-contained mini-series being published as a single collection and then selling for decades.
Without realizing how Watchmen would change comics publishing, Moore and Gibbons negotiated a compromise deal with DC, giving the copyright to the corporation on what they though was a limited basis. In a work-for-hire industry, this was initially regarded as a victory for creator's rights. Instead, it turned into another sucker punch. Moore, stubborn S.O.B. that he is, refused to suck it up and broke off ties with DC as he had with Marvel, taking his work elsewhere and going independent. For a time, it looked as though the big two comics publishers had learned their lesson from this burned bridge and were much more receptive to new talents' copyrights. Neil Gaiman, Grant Morrison, Brian Michael Bendis, etc., etc., have all benefited from Moore's principled obduracy.
DC is with its legal rights, barely, to publish this series, but ethically, they've always been on shaky ground. -
Quote:Eric Stephenson, publisher of Image Comics, takes this argument on (at length):Is it any more ethical to use public domain characters in ways their creators would not have approved of than it is to use characters created under Work For Hire that are owned by DC Comics?
Quote:I'm still kind of gnashing my teeth over the "Before Watchmen" news, mainly because of how dismissive people are of Alan Moore's rights as a creator.
Historically, the comics community has been on the side of the creator in most creator vs. corporation battles. Much has been written and said about Jack Kirby's battles with Marvel Comics, for instance, and most of us tend to agree that Kirby was not treated as he should have been, when the big picture is considered.
But something else most of us can agree on when discussing Kirby vs. Marvel, is that Jack knew he was creating characters that would be owned by Marvel Comics. Did he want more credit and compensation for his part in those characters' creation than he ultimately received? Yes. Did he deserve it? A thousand times, yes: characters Fantastic Four, Thor, the Hulk, Iron Man, the X-Men, S.H.I.E.L.D., the Silver Surfer, Captain America, and the Avengers would not exist without Jack Kirby. But did he know he was creating characters that Marvel would ultimately own? Again, the answer is yes.
Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons, meanwhile, created Watchmen under the impression that the rights would be returned them eventually. Within a year after it was concluded, in fact. That's not my opinion. That's a fact. It's public knowledge. Due to the nature of the deal that had been agreed upon by Moore, Gibbons and DC Comics, it was widely discussed. It was a genuine victory for creators' rights. {emphasis added}
But then the book was kept in print forever, and the rights to Watchmen never reverted back to Moore and Gibbons.
And people wonder why Alan Moore felt betrayed.
It was a dirty deal, and the fact that there are people who want to rationalize it by saying, "Well, Alan Moore wrote League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and Lost Girls, and those books used other writers's characters, so how is this any different?" just shows that truth is a sadly devalued currency. It's different because Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons negotiated, in good faith, a deal that would have allowed them to retain the rights to Watchmen. {emphasis added}
And yes, the characters in Watchmen were inspired by characters like Peacemaker, Thunderbolt and The Question. We know that, because Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons told us as much. Had they kept that inspiration quiet would anyone anywhere have mistaken Watchmen for something published by Charlton Comics? Dr. Manhattan is no more the same character as Captain Atom as Captain Marvel is Superman or Blue Beetle is Spider-Man.
All in all, it's a strange double standard, arbitrarily applied to an amazing writer who has done more than almost anyone else to draw serious attention to this medium. And it's one that anyone who supports creator's rights should find fairly troubling, if not outright maddening. -
Quote:How quickly we forget that Watchmen was supposed to be a win for creators rights, since Moore and Gibbons were supposed to retain the ownership of their characters in a deal closer to what authors can expect from standard trade publishing.I really don't see what the big deal is. DC owns the right to Watchmen, they can do what they want with it.
Here they are discussing this at a panel at Londons UK Comic Art Convention, September 21, 1986the very month their first issue came out (source: The Comics Journal #116, July, 1987):
Quote:From the audience: Do you actually own WATCHMEN?
Alan Moore: My understanding is that when WATCHMEN is finished and DC have not used the characters for a year, theyre ours.
Dave Gibbons: They pay us a substantial amount of money
Moore: to retain the rights. So basically theyre not ours, but if DC is working with the characters in our interests then they might as well be. On the other hand, if the characters have outlived their natural life span and DC doesnt want to do anything with them, then after a year weve got them and we can do what we want with them, which Im perfectly happy with.
Gibbons: What would be horrendous, and DC could legally do it, would be to have Rorschach crossing over with Batman or something like that, but Ive got enough faith in them that I dont think theyd do that. I think because of the unique team they couldnt get anybody else to take it over to do WATCHMEN II or anything else like that, and weve certainly got no plans to do WATCHMEN II. -
Quote:In the first place, the characters in the original LoEG books are all public domain (or heavily concealed in allusion) - their creators haven't exactly expressed any opinions about their usage. In the second place, these days Moore loves employing old characters and tropes as metacommentary on the genres in which he's writing, so naturally he recycles obscure figures or creates analogs.I do love Moore's statement though. It's true that using characters he created is unoriginal. After all he is such an Extraordinary Gentleman I'm sure he would never think of something so unoriginal as using characters created by somebody else.
Since Watchmen was already in part a metacommentary on both the superhero genre and Charlton Comics characters that DC owned but didn't want Moore to use, what's left for this batch of writers to do with it? Will they just offer up more of the same from the flashback sequences in the original series, or will they reconstruct Moore's deconstruction by portraying the Watchmen characters as uncomplicated heroes? Either way, there's no creative integrity involved, especially when the writers and artists have proved more than capable of successfully coming up with their own original work.
EDIT: Leah Moore, a comics writer and Alan's daughter, makes a sharp observation:
Quote:Why not do NEW ogn's {original graphic novels} from the Before Watchmen creators, or better yet by fresh talent. Use the budget to find the *next* watchmen instead? -
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