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Quote:You too? I left with 1600 PvP kills after two weeks of nonstop grinding. The bots and grind got to me.Originally Posted by Primal_Dark
Aion is a great game to base PvPvE gameplay off of. I genuinely enjoyed the abyss gameplay and also wound up with upwards of 1000 kills before finally getting burned out by the grind (crazy bad there) and coming back to CoX. This also coming from someone who never really PvP'd in any other game before.
CoX has so many innovative features in it (including better leveling speed) that it's a shame to see PvP in the state that it is.
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Quote:Aion was developed by NC Soft, not Cryptic, which just happens to also the IP to CoH. Also, the rewards offered in PvP zones are hardly comparable to anything you see in Aion.Originally Posted by B_Witched
While the ideas are good, I doubt coh will impliment a system form their old developer. Probably a lot of legal problems there...and if you look at what goes on in bb,sc, wb and rv -there is pve content there with rewards. I have gotten purple drops from npcs in RV, you get an in game nuke from BB, shivan in game pets for pvp or pve, inf and xp - av's even show up in RV from both sides.
They tried the whole reducing dmg thing by giving squishies high to capped resistance. They had to change it because pvp became low to almost no defeats.
PvP IO's would be a very simple thing to implement, hence why it could be done now. As for people rarely being attracted, I recommend you look hard at how Aion treats the Abyss. In general, enemy mobs give more valuable drops and XP, making it an attractive, but risky place to level. Mission rewards are also raised. Visibly increasing reward for the greater risk is a good option.Quote:Originally Posted by black_barrier
the io drop rate for npcs is higher in pvp zones.
people are rarely attracted by this.
I was a strict PvE'er in CoH before I played Aion. After playing Aion, I found the PvP experience exhilarating. It can be frustrating, but it can be loads of fun! I think the failure of PvP in CoH has led our community to reject the possibility of any success for future PvP in this game. I believe examining successes in what makes PvP enjoyable in other games is a very good idea when the devs decide to look at PvP again.Quote:Originally Posted by macskull
I like the idea of PvE mobs in PvP zones dropping PvP recipes, but it would probably be too easily farmable to be really considered.
PvP will never become "popular" because most people just don't want to PvP no matter what the rewards, for whatever reason.
For PvP IO's, I imagine if PvP IO's dropped about as often as purples off of NPC's, it would be acceptable. I have seen discussion in the market forum showing that very rare drops encourage farming. However, in a PvPvE environment, with the unpredictability of players, the often negative consequences of farming (burnout) are somewhat negated by the imprompt appearance of an ambush. Win the fight, and you can happily resume your killing.
For RV, it makes complete sense that both sides would actively attack not only PC's, but NPC's. You get some of that with pill boxes, but again, for some reason, that purpose has been reduced to farming for the badges, or to spawn the AV's.
The differences are very effective in Aion.Quote:If you want an incentive for PvEers to PvP, the two systems need to work at least somewhat alike, and they managed to break even that.
One of the interesting features of Aion is that if you are mezzed, your resistances go up. Mez then becomes a tool to take someone out of a fight. This should be possible to implement.Quote:Regarding some of your points, I have a few comments:
1) Currently, all attacks on you from NPCs follow PvE rules (except mezzes, because there is no mez protection in a PvP environment). Before they "fixed" NPC mez in I15, NPC mezzes were lasting full PvE duration and they were often a death sentence, making some NPCs more dangerous than other players (go figure). Likewise, any powers you use on an NPC will follow the PvE rules. It's just that PvE combat was designed around PvE rules, and the PvP rules being applied to you (travel suppression, heal decay, DR) make taking out even a medium-sized spawn of Longbow a royal pain.
I definitely do agree that shorter duration mezzes are essential.
I agree that a lot of the new PvP rules get in the way of actual PvP. I also agree that the PvE design of this game makes it very difficult to design a viable PvP system.
Balance is certainly a problem that I think Castle has admitted he wants to work out. If I remember, Fire/Dark Corrs are very effective compared to the other sets for a corr, which indicates balance problems.Quote:2) The anti-survivability changes (heal decay, DR, travel suppression) all work to make a squishy die faster when they're mass-targeted. It's no wonder most of the terrible players only play melee toons, because with rare exception they're the only ones that can escape a bad situation most of the time when phase/Hibernate isn't up. Likewise, PvP damage was specifically increased to balance around DR and base resistances. The net difference is negligible in most cases. I'd rather not have my damage reduced against another player simply because the fight should last longer - that's where inspirations, movement, and player skill should come into play. If my opponent wants to last more than a few seconds, they need to work for it instead of having the system give it to them. Unfortunately, when I go up against even a mediocre Blaster in zones on my Rad/Therm, more often than not I'll be forced to Hibernate because I can't put out enough damage to get them on the defensive before my health gets low, and I can't heal or run at that point.
However, by increasing the length of fights, player skill comes into play. It allows players time to react to surprises by countering with inspirations - especially the squishies.
As for the net difference being negligible, my heavily IO'd Nin/Nin stalker would strongly disagree with you. There is a stark difference if I engage an NPC in a PvP zone with a PvE zone. I won't even start with talking about what I think of hide in PvP.
Another key point about Aion is that often, PvP is done in groups. Suddenly, that rad/therm corr is a little more handy to have. One interesting feature is that there are fortresses to take where you kill a fortress guardian (closest thing would be taking down Hami). This is one case where group PvP thrives. It is also where the edge in builds start to break down. -
Quote:Originally Posted by ShadowNate
I have me a Ele/Ele brute who i would love to exploit in every conceivable way, need to make a return on that IO investment and all that. So what would likely be pretty good groups for various farming scenarios, ie: For monies/PLing things on various alt accounts. So far I have come across Crey energy/power tanks, which work pretty well but im sure there is a better option out there. Halp?I'm fairly certain you don't run across those redside.Quote:Originally Posted by Not_Epsilon
Preatorian Circuits, elec blast enemies with inherent energy weakness.
Enjoy.
To the OP:
I would highly recommend that you try the RWZ, as electric armor works quite well against the Rikti. I believe Levantera's fourth mission where she sends you to an outdoor map to kill a certain leader is ideal. If you don't have this mission, doing repeatables from Borea works well too. -
If CoH were to apply a PvPvE approach to the PvP zones, I believe even the current version of PvP would be more popular.
In Aion, once you hit level 25, you can enter the Abyss, a large PvPvE zone filled with NPCs, and of course, PCs of the opposing faction. There are rewards for entering this zone, not only from killing players, but from killing NPCs. What I propose is a multi-stage approach to PvP.
What can be done now?
For starters, PvP IOs could be set to drop from NPCs in PvP zones. This encourages players to enter PvP zones for the purpose of killing PvE mobs. Ganking is a possibility, but if you want to take a risk, you are more than welcome to!
Smart players will begin to team up with friends, while smart predators will begin to team with friends as well. Enter group PvP. Enter a new use for being in an active SG or VG.
While allowing PvP IOs to drop from NPC mobs will indeed encourage farming, it inadvertently leads to PvP. In my case, I found the rush from PvP in Aion enjoyable enough to stop grinding and start wasting my money actively PvPing.
What can be done in the future?
Revamp and simplify the current DR system by:
1) Governing all PvE mobs in PvP zones to follow traditional PvE rules in combat. Every attack should work exactly as it does in PvE, so it makes sense to entering PvE'ers.
2) Increasing the duration of PvP combat by reducing player damage on another player by an arbritary number (such as Aion's 50%).
3) Diminishing returns would not be needed under this system. Yes, tricked out builds will rule in PvP at times, but there are these things called inspirations and player skill...
4) Further encourage the PvPvE concept with scripted onslaughts of NPCs on enemy bases, allowing players to join in on either side.
5) Open-instanced challenges - the defeat a certain enemy missions, with an appropriate reward.
Disclaimer:
1) I know the Devs have plans to revamp PvP sometime in the future.
2) I know PvP discussion often ends in flames. Please don't make this true in this case.
3) I know PvP is occasionally brought up on the forums. I searched and did not see any topic regarding Aion's PvPvE system.
4) I am a pure PvE'er from CoH. After trying out Aion, I left the game with 1600 PvP kills. I found that I enjoyed the rush I got out of PvP, even moreso when I was in the middle of fighting enemy mobs. -
Quote:I went on a hiatus from CoH to play Aion, which espouses a PvPvE mentality. Once you hit level 25, you can enter the abyss, which has quite a few benefits to it. There is open PvP here, but the rewards for going out there not only to PvP, but to farm are wonderful.Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
How would giving rewards for doing PvE in a PvP zone make people anything but really angsty targets? It seems to me it incentivises pure PvE people to come into the zones and farm NPCs, then complain loudly that they are being attacked when all they want to do is get drops from the NPCs. Then they will get frustrated and leave the zone.
At the end of my two weeks playing the game, I had 1600 kills.
This coming as a pure PvE'er from CoH.
I think adding the potential for PvP recipes to drop from PvE mobs in PvP zones would work quite well - once you realize you can ignore those that whine, as they either ragequit PvP, or develop tough skin. I died countless times in the abyss and spent a fortune paying fees to travel all over the place, but the times when I was ambushed in the middle of a mob by someone and actually wiped them AND the mob was the most exhilarating gameplay experience I have had as of late.
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I find that the two second cast time for teleport is what is most annoying. It would be much more enjoyable if the animation took a half-second, where the biggest limitation to teleport being the endurance cost.
I don't need a toggle. I just don't need to two seconds to do some sort of chicken-wing gesture with my arms.
Yes, BaBs. Chicken-Wing. -
Reaching the softcap is a lot easier if you pick up tough/weave. With tough, you can slot a steadfast 3% IO, for 3% defense to everything, and with weave you get around 5.67% defense to all.
As for things to drop to make room:
Elude - if you're softcapped, this won't be very useful with the majority of the game.
Scorch or Fire Sword - You don't need that many attacks
Taunt - If you're still wanting to keep taunt, you can probably just take tough and slot in a steadfast to make life easier and hit the cap without it. -
Brutes work quite well when it comes to farming, and electric armor does wonders against the Rikti. You get 90% energy resistance, so their rifles do very little damage. Your lethal resistance isn't too bad, though stacking some S/L/Melee defense helps a lot in this department. You get +recharge from lightning reflexes, great endurance tools from power sink and energize, and a great damage aura, that can do as much AoE damage as ball lightning over time.
You do have to watch for psi damage from the mentalists at higher difficulty settings, as your psi resistance isn't the greatest, but 0/8 should be a cakewalk.
As for the primary, you can pick just about anything you want. Claws/Elec, Elec/Elec, SS/Elec all have some great AoE options. Dark/Elec is a lot faster than you think it would be. I'll take an Elec/Elec, SS/Elec, or DM/SD on rikti maps set for 2/8 for fun from time to time, and all of them perform well.
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Quote:A tremendous amount of research was done in the market forum calculating the drop rate and comparing that to the drop rate Positron had given us. The topic is still in the market forum here. Specifically, a dev posted regarding this.Originally Posted by Rinkoz
So this was fixed? The market should be in great shape if we can pad for 8 ppl and get the full rewards, we should be getting full of everything in one run of a medium sized outdoor mission if this is the case, pre i16 that would happen no problem if you padded, but thats not quite happening now is it?
I can see that the market also has to do with the the fact that AE came out and ruined it as well but it should be recovering very quickly if drops are as good as you say they should be if this was fixed, ofcourse the drop rate is just awful on alot of things but thats not with this post is about =p, also nothing to say on the autosk thing, dont agree, disagree...?
You are also assuming that most players will be padding for 8 players. From my observation, this is not true.
Quote:Originally Posted by pohsyb
This was caused by an uninitialized variable, in this case specifically it was a structure declared locally when awarding a drop table.
About four function calls deeper, something was using a member of that structure to determine if you were fighting something grey (no drop). Uninitialized variables can be anything, but often have tendency to be zero, which would not cause a problem (actually any positive value would not matter).
This bug as been in since Issue 9 and was not caused by specifically by anything related to I16 (Whenever code is changed the tendencies of uninitialized variables can change). I suspect the changes made with I16 caused drop rates to be closely scrutinized. -
Quote:Please clarify this.Originally Posted by Rinkoz
Now what we call "padding" is set for 8 people is 7 other people in there taking your rewards even though your the only one in there although I would agree that making the level lower then your current does help drop farming somewhat but I'd give that up in a second to have drops rates before when padding for 8 with 52's....
Edit: I understand every word used, but words when wrong the spot follow can't I are.
I'm not intentionally belittling you. I just want to know what you're trying to say here! -
Quote:I know this question wasn't directed at me, so forgive the intrusion.Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
But why can't you and your friends make a second SG on a server on the "other coast," specifically for network issues and whatnot?
For me, I do have a few characters on other servers, but my home server has been infinity on the two accounts I have. It's the server I've invested the most in, and of course, it's where I keep my piles of inf.
If you wanted further explanation, all you have to do is wait for a big event when freedom server gets locked out to realize that a lot of players stick to one server, no matter what rational reason might encourage them to move.
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From a cost perspective, positron's blast may be preferable, depending on how much you want to invest in that particular build. And then there is always ragnarok if you want damage...
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Quote:I saw his post earlier this morning and figured Gilia would get a response like that.Originally Posted by Psion1
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I love brutes, and you can get around a 500%+ DMG buff with a saturated SS/shield, but don't count out fire/kins. Outside of bragging rights, there isn't a big reason to farm 54's when 50's drop the exact same thing, but faster - and when it comes down to it, it's all about drops and inf/time. The only reason to farm 54's I could see would be for powerleveling - and even then, I just don't see the risk/reward table being worth it.
It's a big game, and there are a lot of impressive farming builds out there, and given how diverse farming is, I'm reluctant to declare any one build #1. -
Quote:A couple of things:Originally Posted by Ghost_Ripper
Problems: Running out of End, Green bar doing the Yo-Yo effect, having to really rely on HF to survive, and when not up, chewing candy for life. Died about 3-4x last night on a +2 map, with a team helping.
-Fire IS going to yo-yo. Healing Flames is what keeps you alive. (switch the heal/end with end/rech)
-If you haven't get the 4 accolades that will give you more end and health.
-Weave is pointless for the nemesis farm because of stacking vengeance. All that matters is regen/heals and KB mitigation for a brute. Take those slots out and put them in health. Get the panacea +hitpoints/endurance, and miracle recovery.
-Soul Tentacles is an immob, which isn't always so nice if you can use footstomp for damage mitigation.
-Obliteration in Blazing Aura is going to make it pretty end heavy. Try a more endurance efficient slotting. Yes, I know the set bonuses are nice...
The Burn/Immob combo is all about locking enemies within the burn patch, not mitigation. Mu is picked over soul because of the Targeted AoE being easier than a cone. As for mitigation, inspirations drop like candy, and the color you want is orange.Quote:I originally had the MU set, but when I did Electric Fences and Burn, it cut out the mitgation part of burn (naturally) so I took more damage and died even faster. I have almost a BILL into this build and would really like to fix it, so that I can farm faster, and survive longer.
You need 3 KB procs to deal with the KB from Fake Nem Bosses. In order to get that third slot, you're going to have to free up some things - namely by taking out the bulk of your slotting in rage. You could grab a steadfast KB or karma KB for res or defense and put an extra slot in somewhere. In order to give you back some rech, I threw a FF chance for rech into footstomp. Then I made room to put oblit in burn. Oh, and if you don't want to spring for the panacea, try regenerative tissue +regen.Quote:Also, I am still getting knocked back by the Fake Nem bosses, I have the proc, so what is going on there? Thanks for the help.
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Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Punch- (A) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage
- (3) Crushing Impact - Damage/Endurance
- (3) Crushing Impact - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (5) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (5) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (A) Titanium Coating - Resistance
- (7) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Endurance
- (7) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
- (9) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
- (A) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative)
- (9) Hecatomb - Damage
- (11) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (11) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Recharge
- (13) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance
- (A) Doctored Wounds - Heal
- (13) Doctored Wounds - Recharge
- (15) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
- (15) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge
- (23) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
- (17) Recharge Reduction IO
- (17) Recharge Reduction IO
- (A) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage
- (19) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (19) Crushing Impact - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (21) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (21) Crushing Impact - Damage/Recharge
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (29) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)
- (31) Karma - Knockback Protection
- (A) Jumping IO
- (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)
- (A) Titanium Coating - Resistance
- (25) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Endurance
- (25) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
- (27) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
- (A) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff/Recharge
- (27) Adjusted Targeting - Recharge
- (37) Recharge Reduction IO
- (A) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Recharge
- (31) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy
- (31) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge
- (33) Efficacy Adaptor - Accuracy/Recharge
- (A) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
- (23) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance
- (29) Miracle - Heal
- (33) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
- (50) Miracle - +Recovery
- (50) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance
- (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
- (34) Performance Shifter - EndMod
- (34) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy
- (34) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge
- (A) Empty
- (A) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (36) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Endurance
- (36) Multi Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (36) Multi Strike - Damage/Endurance
- (A) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (33) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
- (37) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
- (37) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (40) Obliteration - Damage
- (A) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage
- (39) Armageddon - Damage/Endurance
- (39) Armageddon - Accuracy/Recharge
- (39) Armageddon - Damage/Recharge
- (40) Armageddon - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (42) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
- (40) Recharge Reduction IO
- (A) Titanium Coating - Resistance
- (42) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Endurance
- (42) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
- (43) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
- (A) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)
- (43) Apocalypse - Damage
- (43) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge
- (46) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (46) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge
- (A) Ragnarok - Damage
- (45) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge
- (45) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (45) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Recharge
- (46) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance
- (A) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy)
- (48) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage
- (48) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (48) Positron's Blast - Damage/Range
- (50) Positron's Blast - Damage/Endurance
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
Level 1: Brawl- (A) Empty
- (A) Empty
- (A) Empty
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Quote:I second this. Upgrading my driver solved this problem.Originally Posted by Dysfunctional
It could be the Nvidia driver, there were a batch of drivers between versions 186.xx and 189.xx that caused a black screen in CoH on my Win7 x64 machine. Try the latest driver from Nvidia, I'm using 190.62 and that solved the problem in my case.
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Quote:Force Feedback works well in Footstomp. If you often hit 7-10 foes with your footstomp, you'll see about a 30% success rate, giving you around a 15-20% recharge bonus. However, this is an erratic bonus, and I would suggest you not calculate this in with your recharge.Originally Posted by Gardo
How often do they actually go off? and Are they worth slotting in Footstomp and KO Blow?
Yes, electric fences + burn is wonderful, and is why a lot of SS/Fire brutes go with Mu.Quote:My reasoning for this is Electric Fences being a targeted AoE might be easier/faster to utilize than the cone immobilize in Soul.
Now the build:
-Try 5 oblits instead of efficacy in consume. If you're going to hit 4-5 mobs at once anyway, it doesn't matter.
-I wouldn't overslot Combat Jumping
-Rage doesn't necessarily need that much recharge. Honestly, if you two slot it, use adjusted targeting rech and rech/to-hit for the 2% dmg bonus
- Blazing Aura isn't effectively slotted. Try Scirr Acc/Dam/End, Dam/End and Multi Acc/Dam/End and Dam/End. If youi need more acc, slot in an acc, but you shouldn't with rage and your acc bonuses.
- Any extra slots should go to health. Add a numi heal and heal/something
- About the only way to add more recharge is to slot a purple immob set in elec fences.
- I'm not sure I'd recommend pulling any powers to add more recharge. I've never been one to compromise powers for better global bonuse numbers. If you want to try, fitting in hurl or mu lightning and 5 slotting that with a purple would help, but I personally wouldn't try. -
Quote:This is completely, utterly wrong. Are we even playing the same game?Originally Posted by Starcloud
Teams are generally the best/fastest way of generating influence and infamy. Have you tried to form teams redside? Let me tell you, most of the time, you cannot get a large team together, redside, unless there is an event of some kind running.
Set for 0/8 or -1/8, a player soloing will earn everything a team of 8 earned. A good farmer will even complete the run in a similar time to a team of 8. -
claws/energy pairs fairly well. Invuln is a well-rounded set that only really gets spanked when it runs into psi damage, which is more common red-side (but not necessarily enough to mean you shouldn't roll one).
Mace is fun, especially since clobber is a much nicer attack now. -
Neither, really.
Both SR and Elec have an auto-power that increases recharge/run speed, which isn't as needed on the claws set as others. In addition, claws has a built-in endurance bonus, so Elec's benefit isn't as noticeable.
With that said, claws/EA or Claws/Dark work well, simply from an IO slotting standpoint, one because S/L defense stacks well on claws/dark (though it is expensive, and because claws/ea seems to fit claws a little better than SR.
As for the elec craze, dark/elec is a decent option for PvP, but other than that, it's a little silly. (I'm speaking as the owner of a dark/elec, elec/elec, SS/elec long before elec was popular the second time) -
Try City of Data for some numbers
It doesn't have the data for Static Discharge, but for PvP, mu lightning is more effective as it is a single-target attack, and gloom is better for PvP than Mu Lightning. AoE attacks are near worthless for PvP because the bulk of the damage is divided among multiple targets. If you're thinking of taking an Elec/Elec/Mu brute pvping, don't.
As for PvP, the end drain on Mu or Electric attacks are negligable (way over-nerfed), so if you're thinking of making a sapper for PvP, it's better to look at a Kin/Elec corr or even better, a defender. My elec/elec/mu cannot sap anything quickly in PvP, and since one dies before finishing the sapping process, it is pointless. -
I find I rarely need powersurge, so you can get away with even single-slotting it. I run 30% total melee defense (with weave) on my elec/elec, and it works well with it.
If you aren't willing to go for kinetic combats, you'll have more luck stacking melee defense over S/L, since I'm guessing touch of death is still reasonable to get on the market. Some of Obliteration may be expensive, but it is available.
Jacob's ladder is a decent attack, animating in only .16 seconds more than havoc punch - and with that is a 'chance for AoE' if you don't want to spend timing lining up the attacks. Then if you are going for melee defense instead, you can 6 slot it with oblits for recharge and melee def.
Definitely put doctored 5 slotted in energize. If you go melee defense, you can probably take out the slots in taunt, powersurge, and even 4-slot lightning field with this: scirr acc/dam/end, dam/end, multistrike acc/dam/end, dam/end, and get some very efficient numbers. If you go with melee defense, you'll be using titanium 6 slotted in 2-3 of your armors.
All this is assuming you don't want to go for kinetics. If you can afford to go for them, I might consider S/L. If you stick with S/L, you should still consider jacob's and also still drop maneuvers. Even on an elec/elec/mu, you don't want to burn endurance too fast, as power sink eats into DPS. -
Quote:Would that tier change in these circumstances?Originally Posted by Weatherby Goode
For Pure Mitigation, Max IO Potential:
1 SR, Dark, WP
2 Invuln, Shield, Fire, ElA
3 Stone, EA
1) Rularru (there are a few maps redside)
2) +4x8 Longbow spawns
3) Eldersnakes
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Trance is the guy you want to offer some advice on with this set. Invuln is a good PvP set with the right build. You want to aim for enough recharge to perma dull pain and then work on improving your S/L defense and resistance.
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Quote:That question never ends well. You'll get the typical answers of the Fire/Kin and SS/WP brute, and then a few off-the-wall ones like that EM/SA. The better question for you to ask is not what build is best for farming, but which farm build you enjoy playing the most.
Who IS #1 for farming?
With that said, here are some of the faster AoE builds out there:
Fastest Brutes: SS/Fire, Elec/SD, SS/WP
Fastest Scrappers: Spines/SR/Dark/Fire, Elec/SD
Fastest Troller: Fire/Kin, Fire/Rad, Plant/Kin
Fastest Blaster: Arch/MM
It's all about AoE DPS. -
ElA has and will be competent at most tasks. With a high-end build, certain sets will outperform others - especially defense sets, which are able to soft-cap themselves to maximize survivability. ElA maintains superior endurance management tools allowing a player to burn through endurance at a rate that most builds cannot handle. It also offers some more unusual resistances to end drain and psi that many sets do not offer.
In short, it would be very difficult to rank the armor sets once you begin considering invention sets. For example, for some builds recharge actually becomes the primary factor for survivability. This is shown especially for Fire's healing flames, though also being able to spam footstomp is especially effective at drastically increasing survivability.
I have three ElA brutes. Elec/Elec, SS/Elec and DM/Elec. Of them, my SS/Elec is often the most survivable, but there are situations in this game that none of my builds can effectively handle. This is because every build has its weakness. Try taking a soft-capped SR, SD, or Inv against the demon map if it spawns the map with psi and cold damage. Try taking a WP against a spawn filled with longbow with -regen. Try taking a fire against Rikti with Fire's 30% energy resistance. What it comes down to is which build has the best survivability against content that is available in game. That answer is highly debatable.