Timeshadow

That's cool and feel free to do so. But there's some real momentum going here on the Kheldian boards for another round of Peacebringer changes. We're all in the middle of a debate about what would be best for 'em. So understand if opinions that don't come with empirical evidence aren't as welcome.

If you're not two shotting them with Build Up + Incandescent/Radiant Strike or a round of Bright Nova Scatter and Blast you're doing it wrong. I'm in the camp that agrees PBs could use a small damage boost (I make use of Musculature Alpha, Reactive Interface and a few Achilles' Heel -Resistance procs) but this conjecture about PBs having such abysmal damage is beyond me.

Now there's an idea! Gonna be pushing that hard if another round of adjustments ever comes along. As for the OP...

Check the guide brah.

Usually Dechs and I are opposite sides of the line when it comes to Khelds (I'm a PB and he's a Warshade ) but in this case I gotta go with his suggestion. A TriForm 'Shade focusing on Dwarf really feels like a more melee-centric AT.

Lemme save you some time, you're gonna be disappointed. Why? Because without the forms you won't be realizing the full potential of either. It's apples to oranges anyway but you're definitely gonna have a skewed view if you run Human only builds.

No but there was a vague statement about the trials being designed to challenge powersets and builds that had proven to be particularly powerful in the pre-I20 top end environment. What exactly that was intended to mean can be debated but many surmised that it was aimed at heavily IO'd toons (Masterminds in particular).

Actually they fit into several parts of that sentence. The support roles and, to some extent, crowd control are beyond Kheldians but damage dealer and tank certainly aren't. Kheldians spend a large part of the game outdamaging Blasters and retain better survivability right through 50+. They can also perform tanking duties for most content you're gonna come across. The hitch is that they're not as good in those roles as the specialist ATs that are designed to handle them. But that's because they're not supposed to be. Being top dog in one area is sacrificed in exchange for the ability to perform well in several. That's the entire concept behind a hybrid class in any game.

As for the idea that the Kheldian inherent is somehow "selfish" I'd like to point out that all of the inherent powers are. Name one inherent that directly benefits team mates. You can spin 1,000 anecdotes about how Stalkers' higher chance to crit or Defenders' End discount helps the team in a roundabout manner but the fact is there isn't a single inherent power in the game that makes team mates more survivable/deal more damage/be less stupid ()

The comparison to VEATs has been going on since I12. While it's true that their Tactical Training powers directly effect team mates, saying that they're somehow "less selfish" or more team oriented is a major stretch. Yes, that VEAT is providing buffs to your Defense, ToHit and Damage (Provided they've taken and are running all three toggles. I hardly ever do when I'm playing either of mine. Guess that makes me selfish ) but they can't turn into an offtank (Look it up if you're not familiar with the term. It's a much more accurate descriptor for Dwarf) and yank those mobs off your squishy @ss or, better yet, send them straight back to hell in a shower of energy. It's a trade off, sure. But it's one I certainly enjoy

(Oh, and yay for higher DPS numbers! Even if they are before IOs come into play)

Super Speed with a +Stealth IO will give full invis. There's no need for Sprint.

<---You've got Dwarf at 20

Kheldians follow the same design philosophy as any shapeshifting hybrid class. Their versatility is unparalleled but there are tradeoffs to be made. Don't wanna use a particular form? That's cool but be prepared to pay for it. Admittedly, this is exacerbated in CoX due to having to deal with enhancement slots but the underlying theory remains the same.

This. If anything this. Slows can pretty much neuter Dwarf and since it's not uncommon to find yourself playing offtank in this form a lot of the Slows are likely to be aimed at you. The Slow resistance in the inherent is nice when it's available but something more permanent is needed.

Bill and Boy's exchange over the last few posts is representative of the core debate. On one side (Like Bill, I enjoy both but I've got no problem with the verbiage ) you've got those who say Peacebringers need a buff to keep up with Warshades. On the other there are those who point out the differences between the two ATs depending on the environment/difficulty settings (+Enemies/-Levels = Warshade; -Enemies/+Levels = PB).

I'm in the latter camp. I wouldn't mind some small tweaks/buffs to make PBs more efficient (See "fun") but I just don't think any major changes are necessary. The only argument I've heard in favor of such alterations is "Nobody plays PBs because Warshdes are better". I'll admit having used that argument in the past but, in hindsight, it's an extremely subjective and less than compelling position.

There certainly is. My build does exactly that. I made use of Kinetic Combat sets (Four in all) so its a bit expensive but the benefits are worth it. Reactive Armor in the shields and Perfect Zinger in Dwarf Antagonize should round things out nicely.

You, my friend, have discovered the real power of Kheldians

I definitely need these. You and Joe have done some great work with binds lately. Would it be possible to have it de-auto flare while using another power? I was thinking of the temp Stun Grenades to control more of the mobs.

It seems to be a single target Hidden effect. You dump aggro and become untargettable but only to whatever mob you use Placate on. It works the same for players as it does for Bane Spider Scouts. They vanish and can only be hit by splash from AoEs but those effects only apply to their target. Other players can still smash their helmets in just fine.