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  1. Thirty-Seven
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    Well, it could be worse - we could be being asked to pay for a shell of a game
    But... CoH/V is one shell of a game, ain't it?
  2. Thirty-Seven
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    Originally Posted by DumpleBerry View Post
    Crimethink is doubleplusungood.
    Wow, haven't heard that since English, senior year. I love that book...
  3. Thirty-Seven
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    Originally Posted by Animorph View Post
    *drops head*
    I would use it....if I had it.....
    That's why you should make these costumes with the AE editor... you have access (potentially) to ALL of the different pieces, even those that are unlocks or specialty.
  4. Thirty-Seven
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    Originally Posted by Mr_Grey View Post
    You know... That actually explains the "...caught the attention of Tyrant..." part!

    Jebus... To think... We may actually have been debating and arguing over a MISTAKE!

    And no, that's not supposed to be sarcasm. It's surprise. If that was never supposed to be the intent, then... Hm...

    I don't know what to think about that. I guess I'm like Marcian. Get rid of it. As I said before, it's a galvanizing topic, the sort of thing that makes people go "He does WHAT!? Oh, Hell no!"
    And to me, even if it had been a mistake that didn't make anyone do that, I would be all for them changing it. I think the game should be as the Devs intended... not as they "accidented" (err... it's a word now ).
  5. Thirty-Seven
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    Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
    They said at Hero Con that they'd change bits of the current Praetorian arc storylines to fit in with GR.
    I thought that was the case... but didn't want to state it as such since I wasn't positive.
  6. Thirty-Seven
    The only guess I can make as to whether or not our hope will occur, Dispari, is that they were vehement about rolling out a VEAT so that the sides would have equal ATs... it would make sense to me that they would want to have the epic/patron pools be as equal. Though, that is a long shot.

    Any thoughts on who the Hero Patrons would be? What the Villain Epics could be?

    In my mind, the Patrons would be probably: Positron, Sister Psyche, Synapse and maybe Manticore. It is truly hard to pick just four... As far as Epics go, there would have to be fire, dark, plant, pychic, munitions, energy, etc.
  7. Thirty-Seven
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    Originally Posted by Mr_Grey View Post
    Why would you try to paint me as a tyrant because I would exact punishing retribution on a man who abuses his offspring?
    And this is a moral argument against it... based on the idea that abuse is wrong, and therefore incest is wrong because it is a form of abuse. This gets at the root of the issue for me with this whole incest discussion: what if it isn't abuse? How does one define, abuse? Is the abuse aspect the only thing that makes incest wrong, or is it wrong inherently?

    Consider the following:

    (Let's make sure that we divorce our discussion of superheroes...) What if two gay twin brothers have intimate relations? Technically that is incest, but it doesn't produce any of the ill effects in offspring that we have discussed, nor does it necessarily involve any sort of power dynamic (though it could, I suppose). Of course, one would have to put any bias against homosexuality aside in order to consider this example properly.


    P.S. Just so we are clear, I can't say that I am personally for incestuous relationships, but I am having a great deal of fun discussing it. Playing devil's advocate is wildly entertaining for me. Also, with some of your last comments Mr. Grey, it appears as though you may be at least somewhat annoyed. I think it is best to not take these posts as trying to impugn your position or your character... but rather simply to explore what things boil down to, and the basis for these various claims. I know I said it before, but to me, this is purely academic.
  8. Thirty-Seven
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    Originally Posted by Mr_Grey View Post
    Funny. My assumption is that Tyrant abused or manipulated her into her current demented and depraved state.

    Of course, it's not like we really do have a lot of story to work with on that one. I'm going by the fact that, up until now, he was an evil *******, the opposite of his fine, upstanding alternate in Prime Earth, and that his relationship with Dominatrix was supposed to be the final nail in the coffin to show how far gone he was. I'm assuming that Dominatrix is downright warped and insane, leaping into a situation like this because, frankly, her moral compass is smashed to crap.
    This is not aimed at you in particular, but I have to ask for some clarification here. Isn't: "[Dominatrix] caught Tyrant's attention and has been serving him loyally, in all capacities, ever since." the only reference we have to go on here? I guess I just have to wonder where any of this other stuff is coming from.

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    But then, they're supposed to be "rebooted..." So maybe this won't even be an issue later...

    Of course, if that's the case, I still demand the current Praetorian missions and arcs be changed to reflect the change... But I'm pretty certain that's not going to happen.
    I am confident that the current arcs will be scrapped and updated in a similar fashion to how the cape mission was updated after the time capsule opened.

    At the very least, we can assume the new character models will be used... presumably with new bios.
  9. Thirty-Seven
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    Originally Posted by iceman1980 View Post
    I was wondering if this has been answered or if someone knows, but it regards to the Epic/Ancillary Epic Powers. If you start in Praetoria with say a Corruptor and choice to become a hero all the way, will you get the Ancillary Power options or will we get new Epic choices for them?
    Of all the things that have been hinted at, and of all the questions that the Devs answered at Hero Con... this was not one of them, and as such, remains to be seen.

    I soooo wish I knew though. My gut feeling is that either a third type of pool will be created that will include all 11 ATs that have access to an Epic/Patron or 2 new pools will be created: a hero Patron pool and a villain epic pool.

    I actually really want the second, but I don't know. It may just be that a solution along the lines of the markets is put into place.
  10. Thirty-Seven
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    Originally Posted by Mr_Grey View Post
    What aggravates me is that we're not discussing the opinions, but the exact wording, and I feel we're missing the point when it comes to that. It's wasting time and it's not dealing with the issue...

    Plus, it tells me you can't come up with a proper way to defend your opposing point of view. You provide examples of it happening throughout history (which illustrated the fallibility of my absolute on its own, but you kept hamming on that like it was important), but the examples are shot down by the weight of their own end results. They illustrate my point just as readily.
    Well, in the interest of actually "arguing" then... I will lay aside semantics if you will (not that you have used that as a tactic... yet).

    I guess I keep wondering why you have brought up genetic issues and birth defects via incest so much on one hand, and then used terminology such as "unforgivable sin" on the other. It has me confused: is your argument a logical one (incest has bad results, therefore don't do it) or a moral one (incest is wrong) or is it both?

    Which, I suppose, brings me to another point. Compare, if you will, a genetic anomaly that crops up in a child of a consensual act of incest to a baby born with some genetic condition that the parents knew there was a good chance of it getting based on their own genetic predisposition. Does that mean that it is unforgivable also for known carriers of genetic diseases to reproduce? The same effect is created in the child (genetic problems) and the same knowledge is basically present (most people know that incest can bring about issues in their children). I am pointing this out to see just where you would draw the line. If one is bad, why not the other?

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    Well, that's reassuring... Be wary that the people around you don't take advantage of your trusting nature. Your attitude is a good one to have when heads are getting hot.
    Trust me, I am about the most cynical and guarded person I know. Few take advantage of the trust I do mete out... because it is not given lightly. What I expressed to you earlier was my ability to step back a bit and look at words for what they really are. Something I am only good at when not arguing fervently. At this point, it is purely intellectual for me. I have no emotional stake in this.

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    There are worse things in the world than murder. I always thought it strange that maiming isn't regarded as serious a crime. If anything it's worse, you have deformed or crippled somebody for life, but "hey, at least you didn't kill him..."
    You know, I think I agree with you. But it would be very hard to make practical. Imagine prison terms and murder rates as a result... You get life for making someone lose a finger, but only 10 years (or something) for murder. I think that people who busted each other up in a fight pretty bad would just finish the job in order to have it easier.
  11. Thirty-Seven
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    Originally Posted by Mr_Grey View Post
    You're not debating with me. You're trying to make me feel bad because "Oh no! I insulted somebody who sleeps with their grandchild!" It's not even a real person.

    You haven't given me a proper argument, either. You demand that I shouldn't deal in absolutes... Yes, I know that.
    No, I was not trying to make you feel bad, perhaps others were... my only goal was to point out that flaw in your argument, and if you were able to prove your statement I would have then been able to continue with any points I might have had. I felt that the statement I called out seemed to be the biggest most important "fact" you had, so I refuted it. That is argument, isn't it? Statement, and refutation, counter-statement, refutation... And I am not sure where you got that I was in any way trying to defend imaginary people. That wasn't my aim at all.

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    It's essentially all I've been given. Even when "Well, royalty did it..." was brought up, it was also pointed out that they wound up with defective offspring down the line, which I feel negates the argument.
    I suppose you are correct here.

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    Some sins are unforgivable. This is one of my few lines in the stone that I feel is absolute. I will not support a monster just because he provides a convenience.
    Well, I guess that is where we differ. I don't believe in "sin." And I will never be able to say any one thing is "unforgivable," there will always be extenuating circumstances I can come up with in which it would, indeed, be forgivable, or even moral to do something. It might, in a given bizarre scenario, be the only morally just action. I just can't abide absolutes, period. (Well, except maybe that one.... >.>)

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    Your disagreeing with me does not make me condemn you. I can't judge you by what you say, but what you do, and I don't know you or your works.

    I guess I'll just have to live with the knowledge that you think I'm a terrible person.
    That is truly, and I mean this, an admirable stance to take on judging others. I only wish I were as just as that.

    And, no, I do not think you are a terrible person. What I do believe, is that you are the type of person who can draw a line in the sand and say, "this, I cannot stand" and you mean it. Me? There are always extenuating circumstances. Even incest, even murder.
  12. Thirty-Seven

    Are we that hated?

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    I agree with pretty much everything else you said, MnV, except this:
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    Originally Posted by MeanNVicious View Post
    People [...] need to buy these things in our little closed market.
    No one "needs" to use the markets. If you had JUST said "want" you'd've been right. But you had to say "want and need," didn't ya?
  13. Thirty-Seven
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    Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    Seiously? Come on! This is a preposterous weapon... that fires shotgun shells, not bullets.
  14. Thirty-Seven
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    Originally Posted by Sushiloving View Post
    Just wanna be soft capped and be able to non-squishy.
    Ummmm, you don't have to be soft-capped in order to be non-squishy. Heck, I wouldn't even consider my DM/SR Stalker to be "squishy" and he doesn't have a single Set IO...

    I guess I just don't know where the idea came from that anything less than soft-capped is some huge deal, and automatically un-fun or unplayable (not that you said that, but it seems to be an idea that runs rampant).
  15. Thirty-Seven
    (Emphasis mine.)
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    Originally Posted by Mr_Grey View Post
    My conviction remains unshaken. It is simply wrong to sleep with kin, I don't care the society or civilization "precedent." It has been illustrated that such behavior has led to deformities and defects. It is considered morally perverse by a great majority of modern society, and I find the notion abhorrent.
    Ethnocentrism, at its finest.

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    Originally Posted by Mr_Grey View Post
    Nitpicking because I chose "blanket terms," however, only served to rile me up and contributed nothing to the debate.
    So... what you are saying is we should ignore poor arguments or risk "riling" someone up?

    And in the end, you have not really argued anything but: "I feel this way, regardless of reasoning, regardless of facts and will continue to feel that way. You guys really should just agree with me." Does that sum it up?


    I guess I can't look at just ONE dimension of a character (one that could have been poor editing in the original canon) and call a character "evil" automatically, without considering other details.
  16. Thirty-Seven
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    Originally Posted by Mr_Grey View Post
    And I defy you to provide me an example where incest wasn't considered wrong by the populace.
    Nice try.

    However, it was you who made the ridiculous assertion that something was always true, therefore it is your job to prove it, not mine to disprove it. Good luck.
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    (Emphasis mine.)
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    Originally Posted by Mr_Grey View Post
    Instances of it happening throughout history are always instances of deviance committed by the insane, those abusing their power, or a combination of the two. The examples would not pose as positive depictions of your argument.
    I defy you to prove this statement. Seeing as you are the one asserting an absolute statement such as this to be completely truthful...
  18. Thirty-Seven
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    Originally Posted by Slope View Post
    True, but the problem with PVP is that all of the old PVPers quit, if COH started advertising PVP more they might come back. It's a very unpopular game for PVPers because the PVP is bad, if something better was implemented then it might attract more people to the game (for in-game advertising billboards and newspaper guys talking about it all) Sure even this wouldn't have a big pvp population but i think it would increase at least a little
    But... do we want them back? Speaking from my own experience (albeit limited) I have never met a player in a PvP zone who was worth appreciating as a player, they have all been jerks. And most of the folks who I know of who PvP are making the obnoxious farm missions in AE and being jerks when they do anything else.
  19. Thirty-Seven
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    Originally Posted by Aggelakis View Post
    Correct, you summon Lightning Storm on click, no reticle.

    I would link you to City of Data, but it seems RedTomax's site is having a brain fart. (errors all over the place). If it were working, you can look here:
    http://www.redtomax.com/data/powers/
    Powers that are automatically placed have different data points than ones that require a reticle click. But since CoD is down, I have no idea what those differences are.
    Well... thanks for the helping spirit, if nothing else, Aggi! Anything that is glaringly obviously wrong on that second list? Or things you recall that I mighta missed? I know you have been playing for quite some time.
  20. Thirty-Seven
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    Originally Posted by Postagulous View Post
    Lightning Storm from ill/ controller is a pb-click pet.
    I am going to assume you mean */Storm here?

    So, to clarify... you mean it does NOT give you a placement reticle?
  21. Thirty-Seven
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    Originally Posted by Darkfaith View Post
    Gun Drone is summoned next to you on click.
    Coolness, and thanks.

    I'm glad I decided to make an icon for it anyway...
  22. Thirty-Seven
    I had a couple powers wrong, and so the OP is now fixed for those.

    Unless someone finds some more powers I missed in this initial pass, I believe I have below all the icons that "should" be changed. Now, all I need to know is how to format them so that they will work with the game.

    You can go here for the final results!
  23. Thirty-Seven

    The Tags

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    Originally Posted by Power_NA View Post
    I just notice all my posts have a called "ideas by power!" I was just wonder who did this, and how? That was pretty cool : D Now everyone can look at my ideas..... Oh that an "idea" in there that is not mine, I would take it out be I don;t know how haha.
    What is humorous about this, is I am almost certain that the original usage was dismissive in nature... as in "pointless thread is pointless, you can tell by the author." *shrugs* I guess missing the point is par for the course though.
  24. Thirty-Seven
    Okay folks, I was wondering if you could help me out a bit, seeing as how, amongst us, we have played around with every power in the game. Obviously, I have not.

    I recently played around with the Traps set, and noticed something rather annoying. There is currently one icon type in this game to represent two very different applications, and it frustrated me a bit. The issue is the two different ways that location based effects are placed. They can be dropped, and they can be summoned to a particular location. I think it would be great if the icon made the functionality apparent on site.

    So, on to the project: In the spirit of Vanden's Icon Pack, I want to alleviate this problem (at the least, for me, and at best, I hope they can be included in Vanden's pack... we shall see on this last one) by altering the icon used by all of the powers that "drop" so that it is different from those that "summon." In order to do this, I will need to compile a list of all of the powers that do either of these things, and make sure I have them in the right group... BEFORE I make any changes. That, is where you come in!

    What follows is the list I have at present. Are any wrong? Are any missing? Etc.


    “Summons” — Powers that, when activated, allow the player to select a location that the power will affect via a “reticle.” (Icons in this category, will remain unchanged.)

    [Archery: Rain of Arrows], [Assault Rifle: Ignite], [Cold Domination: Sleet], [Earth Control: Animate Stone], [Earth Control: Earthquake], [Earth Control: Quicksand], [Earth Control: Volcanic Gasses], [Devices: Caltrops], [Ice Blast: Freezing Rain?], [Ice Blast: Blizzard], [Ice Blast: Ice Storm], [Ice Control: Jack Frost], [Ninjitsu: Caltrops], [Plant Control: Spirit Tree], [Sonic Resonance: Liquefy], [Storm Summoning: Tornado], [Thorny Assault: Thorntrops], [Traps: Force Field Generator], [Traps: Caltrops], [Traps: Seeker Drones], [Trick Arrow: Disruption Arrow], [Trick Arrow: Glue Arrow], [Trick Arrow: Oil Slick Arrow], [Dark Miasma: Dark Servant], [Dark Miasma: Tar Patch], [Electrical Blast: Voltaic Sentinel], [Fire Blast: Rain of Fire], [Fire Control: Bonfire], [Fire Control: Fire Imps], [Flame Mastery: Bonfire], [Gravity Control: Singularity], [Ice Mastery: Ice Storm], [Illusion Control: Phantasm], [Illusion Control: Phantom Army], [Illusion Control: Spectral Terror], [Necromancy: Zombie Horde], [Necromancy: Litch], [Necromancy: Grave Knight], [Ninjas: Call Genin], [Ninjas: Call Jounin], [Ninjas: Oni], [Mercenaries: Soldiers], [Mercenaries: Spec Ops], [Mercenaries: Commando], [Plant Control: Carrion Creeper], [Plant Control: Fly Trap], [Robotics: Battle Drones], [Robotics: Assault Bot], [Robotics: Protector Bot], [Thugs: Call Thugs], [Thugs: Call Enforcer], [Thugs: Call Bruiser], [Temporary Power: Raid Deploy Pylon], [Temporary Power: War Wolf Whistle]


    “Drops” — Powers that, when activated, affect the area immediately around the player’s current location. No reticle is used for these powers. (Icons in this category will be altered, it is subtle, but I think it will be enough to make them distinguishable. Suggestions are welcome regarding the outer border.)

    [Fire Manipulation: Burn], [Fiery Aura: Burn], [Devices: Gun Drone], [Devices: Trip Mine], [Devices: Time Bomb], [Storm Summoning: Lightning Storm], [Traps: Poison Trap], [Traps: Triage Beacon], [Traps: Trip Mine], [Traps: Poison Trap], [Traps: Acid Mortar], [Luminous Blast: Photon Seekers]

    (Note: This list was compiled based on a pair of lists I found on the Wiki. Namely, this one, and this one.)
  25. Thirty-Seven
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    Originally Posted by Vanden View Post
    Ah-heh, heh, I think that's a chunk I'm not willing to bite off at this juncture. It's not just a lot of art work, it's a lot of bookkeeping work keeping track of which ones I've done and not done, plus I don't have access to a lot of those powers on my own characters so I wouldn't be sure which would get what. I can agree with what you're saying, though.
    What do you think about the proposed Icons themselves? If you want, I would be willing to compile a list of them, and see what can be done. I would just love to see that functionality included in your pack!

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    City of Data says Triage Beacon works on any ally, not just teammates.
    Ahhhh, I think I had the wrong idea of what the teammate border really meant. Perhaps there should be a marker on the ring indicating ally or enemy? But holy crap would THAT be a monumental task! At least my other idea, is pretty narrow in scope: a single class of powers.


    [Edit] I found out that there are a TON more powers that use a targeting reticle then those that don't (powers I have termed "drops"). Dropped pets and AoEs, therefore, were the ones that got the new icon treatment. Was A LOT less work then I thought. I simply created a "mask" of a few pixels to cover the two areas on an ordinary "summon" ring so that it looks like a downward facing cone border, I think it conveys the effect quite nicely.

    Without further ado, here are the icons I have come up with, what do you think? I would be honored if you used them... *hint hint*


    [Fiery Aura: Burn], [Fire Manipulation: Burn], [Devices: Trip Mine], [Devices: Time Bomb],
    [Devices: Gun Drone], [Traps: Time Bomb], [Traps: Trip Mine], [Traps: Poison Trap],
    [Traps: Acid Mortar], [Traps: Triage Beacon], [Storm Summoning: Lightning Storm],
    [Luminous Blast: Photon Seekers]

    The thread in which I gathered the intel for this is here, which refers back to this one.
    [/Edit]