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Can we have a list of all these never seen features that appear in SFs please?

I imagine that's why there's going to be things like Dev's choice and what not to weed out the gash missions and keep the exilent ones

as to your claim that the player made missions wont be near the quality of the developers developed SF that's quite a claim when the details of MA are largely unknown i also think your seriously underestimating the creativity of the player base

On another point what would you like these new TFs to cover TFs villain side tend to delve deeper into the back story of the game tying up unanswered questions and what not I'm hard pushed at the moment to think of any massively gaping holes in the CoV back story that aren't already covered.

Mmmmmmmmmmm claws brute yes please

Tho i imagine we would then see Claws/willpower brutes are to good NERF THEM NOW!!!!!!!

I think you may very well be a lost cause then Londoner there is basically no difference between a TF and Mission Arc other than the fact your not locked into a mission arc normally.

Yes TFs have some special things like Romy and his buffing nictus but dose that really add loads of replay ability?

As to MA doing nothing for you how can you say that and complain about replay-ability MA gives the potential for unlimited missions and im sure there's going to be some real gems amongst them

Ok I'm getting confused now so ill start again

while villains lack the number of TF that heroes have they gain far better mission arks especially in the later lvls so if its a TF like experience your after just gather your team go to oraborus (sp) and do a full ark of missions every one will receive rewards and you'll be doing a series of missions in much the same way as you do a series of missions in a TF

I would suggest.

Any of the von Grun mission arcs there great fun there's a few temp powers to be had and you get to fight the woodsman.

Vindication from Abyss a short arc but you take on the Vindicators

Ancient History / snake fest. another fun set of missions where you can once again face the snakes

and I'm sure there's other gems in there as well so there's no shortage of linked missions to do villains side

As to MA and what it'll bring I'm sure well see some great well crafted missions and some could provided a real challenges depending what features make the finale cut.

All that's not to say some more villian TFs wouldn't be appreciated but i wouldn't say they were desperately needed to fill leveling gaps.

But surly a TF is just missions?

Hows about stone energy then i believe its version of power sink is Autohit.

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Yes we get hamidon, yet another thing thats both sides and doesn't actually count to this rant whatsoever.

And people moan about the length of the trials etc they hate blueside but at least you have the option. We got 9 TFs less content to not do and thus the reason vill TFs take 60% less time is because we got nowt else to do and know them like the back of our hands as we lack 9 others to mix it up!

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I wonder if the lack of dev support in adding new SFs has a lot to do with the fact that fewer people play villains? It's just not worth their while.

But certainly there should be a SF for every level range in the game IMO.

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Actually i wonder after MArch, if we will get any new TF or SF at all.

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Huh whats happening in march likes thats gona put a stop to new TFs?

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Mission Architect probably.

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I doubt it i recon well get at least 1 joint TF/SF for the coming storm maybe even a villain and a hero version.

Also a quick question to those that wont more SFs villain side. Why? is it purely because heroes have more? or is it down to merits?

If its down to merits whats wrong with OB get a team together then go do one of the mission arcs villains have some very good story arcs in the 40-50 range and if done as a Ora TF all members get merritts.

A new box would be nice and i belive that when the mac client came out there was somthing mentioned about all future releases of the game would come with both PC and Mac version so there are perhaps plans in the works to have some kind of re-release.

As to who's stocking what where i was some what surprised to notice that my local game had no copies of WoW or its expansions they did however have a lone copy of GvE in the bargain section. game station just had the one copy of WoW and a copy of burning crusade both in a very tatty looking boxes (when will they learn cardboard cases are bad) but no CoH. but my personal favorite go's to HMV who still have a copy of the CoV special edition tho at 44.99 i cant see it shifting fast.

So even the Uber game that is WoW is slowly getting pushed of the shelves

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Yes we get hamidon, yet another thing thats both sides and doesn't actually count to this rant whatsoever.

And people moan about the length of the trials etc they hate blueside but at least you have the option. We got 9 TFs less content to not do and thus the reason vill TFs take 60% less time is because we got nowt else to do and know them like the back of our hands as we lack 9 others to mix it up!

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I wonder if the lack of dev support in adding new SFs has a lot to do with the fact that fewer people play villains? It's just not worth their while.

But certainly there should be a SF for every level range in the game IMO.

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Actually i wonder after MArch, if we will get any new TF or SF at all.

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Huh whats happening in march likes thats gona put a stop to new TFs?

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because their council did not want to pay Sunday rates, so did not send the gritters out last night.


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Well that's just stupidity on the councils part and some one should be shot for that decision.

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So in short don't blame the councils they were more than likely out gritting and salting the roads before the weather started and instead if you don't like it stay in and stop moaning.

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My road has been nither gritted or salted (in fact they can't use salt now, too damaging to the environment).

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Really? they still grit the roads here and the grit contains salt how weird.

as the the not being cleared/gritted/salted i can only guess you live some where really remote and not on a main route as its those they tend to keep clear or that you're one of these unlucky few that live in a town where snow = end of the world.

I don't even think its the councils that are to blame i instead blame the general public I've never understood the fact that you get more than a light covering of snow and the entire populace of a city grind to a halt

"OMG Snow i cant go out in that i cant drive in that"

yet they still go out?

Its only bloody snow don't drive like a nob and you'll be fine but no in general you either end up with nobody willing to move or driving like a nob and then being surprised when they hit the brakes and they don't stop.

Most annoying are people with 4x4s there made for this kind of weather but no there's dear old mum on the school run doing something like 1 mile a hour :O why get a 4x4 and not use it as such??? personally I've a old 1991 VW t4 the ABS is non existent the power steering works if it feels like it yet i can quite happily drive in the snow at a reasonable speed without fear.

If your not gonna drive correctly don't go on the roads and don't complain about the fact that you cant drive on the roads were in the 21st century I'm sure you can find some way of amusing yourselves.

So in short don't blame the councils they were more than likely out gritting and salting the roads before the weather started and instead if you don't like it stay in and stop moaning.

Thing is not fighting the mobs is not skipping content its just not fighting mobs its playing to your strengths

look at it this way 2 teams team 1 consisting of 8 stalkers and team 2 consisting of 8 brutes.

by and large the stalkers are more than likely going to play to there advantage and avoid mobs where they can and move directly to the objective after all why waist time and risk potential death fighting the minions when you can go strait to the head. the brutes on the other hand are more than likely going to smash everything in sight between them and the finale boss.

in the end yes the stalkers probably completed the mission in a fraction of the time the brute take but will have a received a fraction of the XP, Inf, salvage etc that the brutes have received.

Its down to personal preference really.

Of course the problem with this is if the dev's re adjusted things like merits to work of time spent on mission all the farmers would do is go to end of TF then sit and wait but this could be solved with things like patrols spawning with heightened perception even better if attacking these spawned patrols caused other to attack as well

I would take a look at the other monsters beasts that exist in the CoH verse when it comes to the attacks at the moment there all pretty much either a punch or a bite which also leads to problems with animation.

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bite (moderate damage with crushing damage)


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as i said bite attacks are more than likely going to cause animation night mare at the moment we only have one mob that makes use of a "bite" attack and that's the snakes why use a kind of snake strike looking animation which looks good for them but i would imagine would look a bit weird coming from a player character.

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pounce (knockback ability)


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another hard one to animate I've no idea how this could be achieved other than using something like jump kick animation with you going from a crouched position to a leap but could end up looking a bit meh as well as having a long animation which is bad for a tier 2 power as normally tier 1 and 2 are quickish attacks

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feed (bites an enemy causing damage and healing your character)


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another bite attack so back to the hole animation thing again other than that the tek is already there as its basically siphon life with another name.

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Toxic bite (causes mild damage instantly then continues to damage the enemy for 30 seconds causing 1-2 damage each second)


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again bite again so the hole animation thing raises its head once more

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brutish rage (a violent attack that causes moderate damage rapidly, similar to the rapid puch with the speed power set)


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meh rally is all i can think to say the flurry animation is not the most loved animation in teh world so i could see this being skipped a lot you could perhaps replace the animation with the rapid attack from claws (i forget its name)

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beasts eye (causes enemies close to a target and the target to have fear status)


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this could be handled a few ways if it was done either as a single target melee fear ala touch of fear or as a click aoe fear ala the presence pool it would probably fit ok into a melee primary but if your envisioning a toggle type power then i would say it should be moved to a defensive set.

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Chilling call (character lets out a loud beat howl knocking surrounding enemies back)


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I like this one kinda like hand clap (which unfortunately most people hate ) i would be tempted to combine it and beasts eye into a single power

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Charge ( the player runs at the target causing kncokback)


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Ok so running charges aren't possible under the current tek so this would need to use the shield charge/lightning road type tek/animation other than that should work

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savage attack ( a high damage with extra criticial damage chance that


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seem to be missing a bit of the text but going by whats there the biggest problem i can see is that if it has a extra crit change that would need to be considered when setting its damage but then changed when moving the set to brutes/tanks as they don't get crit attacks

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primal rage (completely cuts recharge time on all powers for 45 seconds and deflects all enemy attacks, after 45 seconds the player has 0 stamina lowered defence and is immobilized for 30 seconds)


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As others have said the tier 9 is kinda out of place sounding more like a defencive tier 9 than a attack tier 9.

you could change it more to a +Recharge +Damage +recovery type super build up kinda power which could be interesting and would serve to separate the set from the other melee attack sets.

So i would try and rework it do away with some of the bite attacks and replace them with a more generic swipe attack if there was gonna be a bite attack in there i would be tempted to make it something special and have it up as the tier 9.

do away with beast eye and instead turn Chilling call into something like

Chilling howl (click) PBAOE fear (mag 2/3) cone (foe KB)
you fill the air with a long chilling howl causing all who hear it to stop in there tracks and cower and fear further any caught directly in the blast will be flung backwards such is the force of the howl

you mite also consider some kind of spit/bile spray attack in there.

Yea as long as it was within the same master account i fail to see how it could be exploited really. or am i missing something?

I would guess its just the way the game handles powers or something maybe the Mezz protection offered by dwarf form is "lingers" after the transformation so giving human form a few seconds of Mezz resist before it wares of.

I cant really see it being a major gamebreaker

I Think Ghosting has its place even on TF missions it is after all a stalkers primary skill and illusion trollers also have those handy invis powers but it should be made difficult.

More mobs that have good perception especially in patrol groups would add a proper degree of stealth i think.

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Oh, and for those who are saying "Don't nerf Rommy, the game is too easy" - 'the game is too easy' has only been positively said by some people on this forum, so frankly, that's not enough to warrant not putting Rommy down a little bit. I am not saying nerf Rommy so he is not a challenge for anyone, make it so he's that little bit easier for the unusual/weaker mix of toons yet still a challenge for a l33t mix of toons.


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what do you mean by unusual/weaker mix of toons? as I've been on a few ITFs now with pretty varied team makeups and we've only struggled once to take him out and we eventually did it.

Yes please i would love to be able to combine my 2 accounts into a single account.

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Its like someone saying he thinks there are aliens, and everyone says hes nuts and he needs to prove it first, while they cant prove there arent aliens either..

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Because you can't disprove a negative!

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Not all my statements are proven false.

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After what has been a rather tawdry thread, battling through one change of direction after another, I have no idea what statements of yours were not proven false and there seams to be no easy way to check.

Would you like to back that statement up with a list of your points that were not proven false?

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Sets did improve character performance.

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Very true but in that was not your full argument had it been you would have been correct i don't think any one would argue that sets had improved characters

what you failed to take into account time and time again was that sets had only rebalanced the global nerf of ED over all characters were not much better than they had been
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Certain sets perform much better than others


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a assume you mean power sets and of course they do all power sets are not created equals the bubblier cant heal there team mates power sets are not meant to be equal in all that they do in certain areas they will perform better than other sets while under perform in other areas its all about give and take.
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Certain combos perform better than others.


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again yes some things just work well together just as some things work badly together if everything worked the same what would be the point of having variations.
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Several games are harder to play than CoX.


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well yes several are also easier. the degree of difficulty a game has is dependant very much on the user and there mind set and so exactly which games are easier / harder will more than likely differ from player to player
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Several ppl logged in more than 1 account on dxp weekend.


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yes I'm sure they did but nothing like the majority duel boxers are very likely a very small minority of players as it takes a greater lvl of skill and expense to duel box properly and only by doing it properly are you going to see a good increase in your rewards
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Several ppl find Cox too easy and want a challenge.


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yes I'm sure they do but there's probably people who still find it difficult in fact i believe there's a post still up about some one (think its techbot) having problems with a AV so there's still challenges out there

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Cant prove those statements and opinions, but neither was anyone able to prove the opposite.
I was wrong on several other things i admitt, cause others were able to prove i was wrong.

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that was your entire problem you posted them initially as fact had you posted them as opinions you would have raised fewer hackles

Yea i realise that GR unfortunately the favorite trick seems to be clone card details and spend the cash in Australia of all places.

Out of curiosity if Visa have similar tek but have still to make it compulsory what will happen when/if they do.

I assume at that point the in game store would have to be reworked?

Yea got to agree the crey thing is weird there like the lex Luther of paragon every one thinks there great but really there evil to the core this should be reflected in game.

change there zone spawning so they only spawn as enemies in back always and what not doing deals with other factions

get some sign up in places like fault line and that along the lines of

"Crey industries working for a better tomorrow since 1995"

"Become a hero join the paragon protector"

and also as suggested have paragon protectors in lower lvl zones as friendly units.

Basically your thread and those you post in could have gone in completely the different direction if you had approached it as a discussion say something like.

Hey guys i see a lot of SS/WP brutes when I'm on villains why do you think that is?

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SS seems over powered to me i think they should take a look at it especially rage it seems broken that you can multi stack it

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I think willpower is over powered it doesn't seem to have anuff of a hole in it to make up for all its advantages.

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The enemies really need an AI rewrite

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...funny you should mention that...

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do you know somthing we dont

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Look on the bright side... the game suddenly becomes a LOT cheaper for Americans to play on the EU servers

Maybe we can persuade them to open accounts here

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Wouldn't it be rather funny if EU server population took a sudden up swing due to the differences in exchange rate