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Quote:Yeah, I already mentioned that. I think that Eva's played through GR and Ramiel and ain't impressed. :VOriginally Posted by Golden Girl
From that statement, I'm guessing you've not actually played GR?
And don't forget that one of the main reasons the Alpha slot was cut from GR was that the beta testers were asking for a more lore-based unlock for it, rather thna just buying it with merits
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Quote:Alright. So do you want to be able to gain Incarnate powers or something analagous without having to participate in a particular storyline? Do you want more arcs at the LVL 50 cap?Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
I could have, yes. I chose to stop the second Rikti invasion, but more importantly, my character chose to stop the second Rikti invasion. I was directed through the story by people who asked for my help and spoke to me as, well, people. My progress was unrelated to the storyline. I got better at fighting because I fought Rikti, not because the Dark Watcher was kind enough to grant me more power for performing these tasks for him.
Certainly, but we've no way of knowing what development's reasoning from over two years ago was without them letting us know. Do you want Hero-1 to have recieved his power from a different enigmatic source other than the Well and its entity, and other Incarnates from a pantheon of different enigmatic sources, or do you want characters to become Incarnates after meeting certain criteria, with no sort of 'patron?'Quote:They could have gone about it in a different way. There was no need to make the Well a necessary part of it. Statesman and Recluse drank from the Well, we know that, but what was stopping them from stating that Hero One had received his Incarnate powers from a different source? It would have been obvious and easily believable.
/em curseyouQuote:It's the nature of a video game, you know you will win, you just have to figure out how. Unless you're a villain of course. -
Quote:Interesting. Is the difference that your character could have said "Fark you and fark your Second Rikti War" to keep leveling, or is there a difference in moving through the RWZ story chain and the Incarnate story chain? (It'll probably get bigger with time.)Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
"We" is our characters. Those people we so lovingly crafted and assigned backstories and motivations and personalities to who are all now being reduced to playing second-fiddle to an overarching storyline in order to progress. It's like we all had our own comic book, but now it's being put on hold indefinitely for the huge company-wide crossover. It's not like the second Rikti War, where all our individual books acknowledged the major event and told how we reacted to it, this crossover is all there is.
As an aside, or possibly related, I'm still wondering how there are more player Incarnates than just our own individual characters, at least in regards to Issue 19. (The BAF will unlock the Alpha slot). Does Ramiel get sent back to the present by each player character, does the Praxidae source of the Well get disappeared each time someone wants to be an Incarnate, etc, etc.
I dunno.
Not yet. I do remember that the Time Echoes in Ramiel's first mission tell us that the we've been poisoned by the Well. The players are currently meant to be seeking the power of the Well by any means, currently to fight back against Emperor Cole's Incarnate-buffed invasion forces, and eventually to stand a chance against the big bads of the Coming Storm. This doesn't mean that there's not another shoe that won't drop sooner or later, and I fully expect one to.Quote:It demonstrated the real and immediate risk of trying to gain power immediately. It didn't even acknowledge there is a risk in trying to gain power at all from an enigmatic entity with unclear motives and a sentience behind it.
I've seen posts on the boards about people wanting, waiting to become Incarnates since Issue 6: Along Came a Spider. It's not so much a matter of what the plot demands, but what the players demand.Quote:Yes, it ties into Incarnates, but only because Praetoria is run by evil Statesman. You truly want player characters to access godlike power that might turn them evil, megalomaniacal and insane? Tie it into some of the established godlike entities that players actually want to know more about, like Mot and Lughebu and Rularuu. Don't tie it into boring Mary Sues and their magical Well of New Powers as the Plot Demands.
Emphasis mine, for the developers. This seems pretty important.Quote:No, I want the content to be written in such a way that my actions seem to matter. If I'd spent the first 20 levels of my career knowing the Rikti were going to invade again and trying to stop it, only to have the Rikti invade again anyway, and only being able to stop it at level 45, it would have been just as bad. But I didn't. At level 20 I put an end to Dr. Vahzilok and the Clockwork King. Those things mattered. Praetoria doesn't, because Tyrant invades primal earth anyway, and we're eventually going to beat him anyway, Resistance or no Resistance.
It'd be pretty shocking if the invasion actually succeeded, but then players would be even more irritated, I imagine.
Note that I did not say I wasn't willing to stretch my belief, but my belief has its limit. People can write science fiction about time travel in spite of science fact because we don't have the theory nailed down very well yet. People being altered rather than outright killed by gamma radiation was a concept used in science fiction at the time when radiation was still a sort of scary and nebulous thing, but you don't see it very much these days.Quote:Originally Posted by Scythus
Great, then you'll just love Issue 21: Realism. In it, everyone loses their powersets and all they can do in it is run and punch and kick stuff.
I will grant that City of Heroes was originally written with a Silver Age mentality, so we have stuff like gamma radiation origins and still have stuff like cloned robots and genetic memory, so I may just be forgetting how to have fun in the first place, which I am willing to admit is entirely possible. There may be an issue with the players and the tone of the game maturing at different rates, which goes back to what Eva was saying about the change in the status quo. It has been seven years. -
Quote:Just because Marvel and DC hit themselves in the head with hammers doesn't mean Paragon has to.Originally Posted by Scythus
Yet I see the same sort of thing in actual comic books. Really, a lot of actual science gets ignored and handwaved in comics, or have you not ever read a comic book?
Apples and oranges.Quote:We have people getting hit by gamma rays and turning into big green monsters because of it. It's just the nature of the genre. You might as well ask 1930s pulp stories to not involve ancient temples with magical relics.
"Some people get blasted by gamma ray bursts and die horribly, but others thrive and gain super powers."
"Some ancient temples contain magical relics forgotten by time."
"The human genetic code, in its natural state, contains molecules that record and store your living memories."
The first two statements I can get by and enjoy with guilty pleasure, but the third one is really stretching it too far even for me. I equate it with the idea of more or less than 79 protons in a gold nucleus, or closer to superhero antics, with Tony Stark creating a NEW ELEMENT in the second Iron Man movie.
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Quote:Who is "we?"Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
It still isn't, and now we're being railroaded.
Who is "us?"Quote:Players demanded an "epic story" but the devs didn't seem up to the task, so they used a gimmick to "make us feel powerful" (it didn't work)
Haphazard? The plot demonstrated the risk trying to gain power from the Well and the Well entity and then revealed a loophole. I thought it was kind of intriguing.Quote:gave us every reason to NOT affiliate ourselves with the Well then forced us to affiliate ourselves with the Well anyway. In an effort to make the missions "interesting" they made them look haphazard.
Cheap, eh? Well, perhaps. Even so, I'm not sure how you can hold it against the developers for making the effort to turn it into something more interesting than straight "My Evil Twin!(TM)", or just leaving that particular plot thread dangling as mentioned in the OP for who knows how much longer. I've seen posts on General wondering if we'd ever get to deal with Praetoria in a more involved fashion for years, and considering that we had Praetorian Earth before the Shadow Shard or pretty much everything else in the game, I'm not suprised that it was revisited first. I'm even less suprised since, as I said earlier, it might give someone a better perspective on the power of Incarnates and the Well, which ties into content to come.Quote:They happened to pick up one that is inherently cheesy (evil-goatee alternate universe; no matter how you dress it up with shades of grey it's still an evil-goatee alternate universe.) and one that is inextricably tied to signature NPCs that most players hate and resent for constantly reminding us that we're just supporting characters in our own story.
This isn't a new thing.Quote:It isn't zany, but it isn't particularly important either. If it mattered, we wouldn't be sent to Primal Earth, and Cole's invasion wouldn't be happening as planned 30 levels later.
You really want to be restricted from content due to the actions of other players?
People used to howl about how they couldn't get Shivans or Warburg nukes.
People throw tantrums about the market, which has little if anything to do with the plot.
Are you really hoping that someone will argue from the standpoint of "A game is fun if and only if it's story is not solid?"Quote:Nobody has yet explained to me why we can't have a solid story with engaging, fun gameplay.
No one's gonna do that. Nobody believes that.
Okay, but this, this is one thing that really did make me kinda wanna throw up when I encountered it ingame.Quote:Originally Posted by Scythus
From what I recall, the methods that Crey use on the Paragon Protectors, "inserting extra genetic material" to familiarize themselves with their powers is rather ambiguous and can easily be explained as the "memory genes" as it were.
You can stretch real-world science only so far with comic-book science. Humans don't have genetic memory. They ain't Go'a'ulds [sp]. Crey has some kinda brain-mapping technology, don't they?
/em cringeQuote:Originally Posted by Yogi_Bare
Solid story only goes so far in a game of this format...
Well, sure. Solid stories won't hold up a game alone unless they're really really really good. That's not an excuse to write a poor story, though, and I don't think the writers are trying to do that.
That's a poor excuse, and I think probably more insulting to the dev talent than you think.Quote:1. It's a comic book game (expect b.s. to be shoveled at you in grand amounts); 75%+ of the originating industry is mediocre storytelling and average art... if you're expecting better out of a game based on this industry then you're just setting yourself up for failure.
What? It's not even possible that someone is compelled to play CoH for the story? This thread disproves that assertion.Quote:2. It's an MMO; thousands of people play this game for a myriad of reasons and I'm sure that the driving reason isn't the amazing stories (AE (and PLing in general) proved this).
Perhaps. But it's very possible that they'll read it at least once. You don't think the writers would try to make that read count?Quote:The story are the brief bits in between the button mashing that people tend to quit reading after the second or third time around.
(Sure would be nice if I didn't have to open my mission tab to keep track of the plot on TFs.)
On the other hand, making a player feel as if they have more power over the direction of the story can get them more involved and attached to the game. It's difficult to strike a good balance, but CoH has been going for seven years, so the development must be doing something right.Quote:[5. As far as 'pigeonholing' players into prescribed thoughts, behaviors, motivations, etc... that's a (gaming) industry-wide commonality. A majority of video games determine your story for you at some point in the game. Like I said before... you don't drive the story, the story drives you]
Also, don't forget that the dude never throws stuff away. Not documents, at least. Guess that shows what happens when you won't do a total conversion to digital storage...but when villains can hack into a Fake Nemesis memory cartridge stop dead one of your plots...well, I guess Brass Bolts has at least a little justification...Quote:I prefer to think of them as fancy automatons that are difficult and expensive to build, which explains both why he kept them after they'd outlived their usefulness and why Nemesis doesn't use automatons to replace powered people. -
Quote:Granted, but I'm not sure if this thread is about updating old content, either.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
But those two things go together - the new tech that the game has now is an important part of any discussion about updating older content.
The way the clone arcs, the Roy Cooling arc and the entire 1-20 Praetorian experience have been created opens up so many new ways to tell the stories in the older content.
Who are you talking to? Last I checked, Adam West Batman was influenced by comic books, too. No reason to act angry.Quote:Originally Posted by Scythus
What's up with labeling parallel worlds/clones "Adam West Batman stuff?" Aren't clones and parallel universes standard comic book fare? Wait? They are? Well then shut up. Last I checked, this was a comic book-influenced game, thus standard comic book tropes belong in this game. -
Quote:Not to be any more argumentative than I've already been, 'cause I don't want you to get the wrong idea, but this thread should really stick to what storylines should be picked up again, not quite what goes in them.Originally Posted by Yogi_Bare
I think someone stated earlier that they would like to see some of the old content updated with the new mechanics, if not, I'm saying it now.
Yellowboxed NPCs
Psychic/Com piece text boxes
Zowies (lol, 'updated Patrol Missions')
Fights that don't always have to end in the 'zero-health' fashion (ie. Trapdoor, Hero 1 in the Ramiel arcs)
Environmental hazards (a la Trapdoor mish (lava); Leonard's mish (burning buildings (yeah, I know Mayhem mishes had them prior)))
Objectives that affect NPCs outside of just killing them (like was shown in arcs where 'flipping a switch' could shut down Clockwork, red-box previously yellow-boxed NPCs or even make characters (like Ajax) lose certain abilities.
And I'm not saying to add them haphazardly; I'm suggesting that bit by bit, the old content gets looked over and any adjustments that would be a natural fit get put in... if nothing fits, then it stays as is.
***And please try to get these same mechanics into the AE.
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Quote:Originally Posted by TheDeepBlue
I'll agree that this sort of 'clever plot' requires an equally clever writer. I don't think that it's impossible for Recluse, Nemesis, the Directors of Malta or the Center to have a lot of schemes going on at once, but by the time our characters face off against these schemes, the developers should acknowledge that our characters and their contacts may have learned a thing or two about investigation and discretion. If our characters/contacts get duped somehow, then the dupe had better be good and not exist just to fill out the story or add fake suspense.I'd just like to note here that as I actually thought about it some more, I can't remember the last time that I actually managed to outthink the plot of any given arc, and noting your given example, I didn't realize what happens if you rearrange the letters in 'Mender Silos' until someone on the boards posted about it.Quote:
This kind of "clever plot" requires an extremely clever writer. Unfortunately no matter how clever you are there is always someone else clever enough to figure it out before the end, but the nature of the game forces you to keep going through the motions even if you've figured out how to skip to the end. Don't try to fool the players. Just don't. And don't try to fool the characters with obvious things like Mender Silos. It isn't clever and it isn't cute.
I guess my point is that if one person realizes what's coming up in a plot, it doesn't mean that everyone else will too. Or, perhaps I just have less plothole-detection than a six year old.
Whoaaaaa--Quote:Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I want to chime in on saying that it does feel like the writers no longer take themselves seriously. I know the obvious argument - how can you take comic book storylines seriously? But that's not true. You CAN write fantastical stories and still write them as legitimate fiction, as some of the greater comic book writers in the past have done. This is, in fact, how the original writers of the game treated it once upon a time - as serious fiction.
These days... I don't know. It feels like slapstick and laugh tracks. Corny, zany, campy stories without much of a semblance at a serious plot, cheap laughs instead of good writing, jokes instead of plot points... This does not make for a universe I can care about, because very little seems to matter.
I think you're pretty off-base, Sam; in fact, I think you're amazingly off-base. If anything, the plot has gotten less zany and campy recently, though perhaps just recently. Since the Second Rikti War ended, we've traveled back and forth in time under the guide of a Reformed Villain From the Future, fought an Alien-Powered Roman Emperor and monsters from Greek myth, took a break to mess around with holodeck technology, returned to fight Resurrected Evil Nazi Buffalo Marcus Cole and last but not least, My Own Clone!(TM). Pretty much Adam West Batman stuff. I wouldn't say bad, necessarily.
Could it have been done better? Maybe? As previously mentioned in this thread, the players have (and still do) let the developers know when the new content doesn't jive with the older canon content, and in the response the developers have made (and still make) some efforts to patch up the plot holes as best they can while not tearing apart what's already been made too much. I mean, jeez, they even kicked Incarnate stuff back an entire friggin' issue because the players said that becoming an Incarnate wasn't nearly as epic as they'd thought it'd be.
I'm not sure if the aforementioned "campy" stuff was made just to be there, though; I mean, if you're planning something big for the future, why not make the effort to create stuff that might actually be capable of supporting it? Take a look here:
That means planning and character concepts for Going Rogue were being worked on going at least as far back as April 28, 2008, between the releases of Issue 11: A Stitch in Time and Issue 12: Midnight Hour.Quote:Originally Posted by Niviene
By: Matt Positron Miller
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Sharp-eyed fans will note that weve been working on these two characters for a while, as they had their birthdays listed in the online calendar we released for the fourth anniversary of City of Heroes, over a year ago. Although Desdemona was listed as Pandora on that calendar, it just shows how fluid, and long, some of these ideas take to come to fruition.
If I understand correctly, there was a time before Marvel or DC had their cross-title events just about every other week or so. Maybe the plot didn't seem related to anything in particular in between those events, but in that period individual things happened which were related to the greater whole. If City of Heroes' 'cross-title event' is related to the Well of the Furies, the Incarnates, and the Coming Storm, then some perspective needs to be gained on the subject before the event so we don't have a shallowly-developed 'SUDDENLY INCARNATES AND THE WELL AND THE STORM ZOMG' situation. This is something the developers have been trying to avoid since the 'SUDDENLY THE COUNCIL ZOMG' situation. Of course, if the subject matter is Incarnates, then before Issue 19: Alpha Strike, our only understanding of them was that they were present in:
1) Modern-day Incarnates like the Statesman and Lord Recluse (we didn't know about any others on Primal Earth at the time)
2) Incarnates in antiquity (well, guess we gotta get there somehow...)
3) Incarnates not from Primal Earth, like the Reichsman from Axis Earth... (guess he's gotta show up again somehow)
4) ...and Emperor Cole, a.k.a. Tyrant, from Praetorian Earth.
Even though the scenarios in which the different Incarnates appear are unrelated to one another, this is just the nature of what the developers could offer the players regarding Incarnates given what was available in the canon before allowing the players to become Incarnates themselves in response to Tyrant's invasion. As a practical matter apart from the plot, these scenarios also give support to the Incarnate System.
Okay, so many of us agree that the Tip 'plot' is pretty scatterbrained. It's not the only thing going on here, and I am pretty sure the "zany" stopped when players started being given the option to blow up senators, nuke a civilian population, deny clean water for innocent citizens for an extended period, murder potential allies in exchange for brownie points, break up and ruin families, and condemn children to slavery and brainwashing...or not, all in an attempt to topple a fascist, false-utopian state or support it.
The ramp-up to the 'cross-title' event has just started, and in light of everything I've said here, I think it's completely unfair to say that the developers aren't taking their work or themselves seriously, because they've been setting it up for just as long as Marvel or DC used to, if not longer. -
Quote:You don't have to convince everyone that your aesthetics are better. You just have to convince the developers. Of course, you'd have to make that argument with the restriction that those aesthetics are better for the business franchise and not just the story, and it's hard to argue with success.Originally Posted by Venture
That doesn't mean anything will ever be settled, or that the arguments have any validity in the first place.
Of course, as DCUO continues ramping up, this argument may become more important.
I'm always for consistent plot/subplot enhanced by themes or morals, but there's always this part of me that starts feeling fussy when the importance of those themes/morals become overemphasized and just turns the plot into a vehicle for them. Then again, perhaps that's as much of a sign of a bad story as a complete lack of those enhancements is.Quote:There are plenty of qualities in art that can be evaluated and debated, ranging from (in our case) minor points like grammar and spelling to major points like effective use of themes or morals, plot consistency, etc.
That said, I haven't tried that hard to identify such features in City of Heroes, so my commentary above is really just an excuse for me to post that link.
I've been wondering for a while: Do you really not like these genres, or do you just think their representation in City of Heroes is made poorly?Quote:The developers like cheap, shlocky stories about time travel and parallel worlds and seventeen copies of a character
I will concede that stuff like Ouroboros, the situation regarding Cimerora, and even the appearance of the Shadow Shard happened without much setup or foreshadowing. I suppose you could consider Ubelmann the Unknown a setup for the 5th Column's presence in ancient Rome, but there was no suggestion that something was going wrong with time right up to the point where Castanella told us 'IT'S GOIN' DOWN RIGHT NOW, MANG, GET MOVIN', SHOOT 'EM IN THE HEAD!'
Of course, there's other major events in the game that I do think have had decent setups. People were expecting the Second Rikti War to happen for years, if not even as a result of Hro'Dtohz's ambitions, then as a result of Nemesis' mechanations or even just the Rikti trying to rescue their people stranded on Primal Earth. People didn't really make a fuss over the resurgence of the 5th Column (post-Cimerora) because not only had people expected that some loyalist cells escaped from the Council, but because Reichsman had been left in the fridge somewhere instead of actually being taken out once and forever. Nobody really questioned the overlay of Croatoa onto Salamanca, because we'd known about the Malleus Mundi for at least a year beforehand as a result of the Halloween Event and most folks seem to accept that magical items that have been lost to the ages, especially those capable of blasting holes in reality, are wont to appear again somehow. It just happened to be coincidence that it blasted a hole around Croatoa and I think everyone acknowledges it as such, so now we have goblins and witches and walking pumpkins next door to the largest metropolitan area in Rhode Island and I think most people are okay with that.
I will agree with this. I've got nothing against cool extra cast members, but when there's been too little character development on them, it's hard to care about who they are or what they do. There's some good stuff with the Rogues Gallery in the Tips content, but most of the encounters with the Gallery that don't contain branching dialogue are too brief and insignificant to hold much development.Quote:...to [sic] one cared about in the first place.
That article contains the quote "If someone did not care about one aspect of the production, the reasons may be that they were more worried about something more important." I'll posit that the reason for your concern above is that there's just a humongous variety of character personalities that players may create, so the writers can't be too specific in the character's response to a given situation.Quote:They don't particularly care about how stories treat the player-character.
Or, perhaps I misinterpreted your concern. Always possible.
I'll agree that this sort of 'clever plot' requires an equally clever writer. I don't think that it's impossible for Recluse, Nemesis, the Directors of Malta or the Center to have a lot of schemes going on at once, but by the time our characters face off against these schemes, the developers should acknowledge that our characters and their contacts may have learned a thing or two about investigation and discretion. If our characters/contacts get duped somehow, then the dupe had better be good and not exist just to fill out the story or add fake suspense.Quote:Stories that throw Idiot Balls by the crateload are fine; in fact they think this is a cool way to show just what a "master strategist" a villain is.
I only mention the groups above just as an example. My opinion holds for the general case of mustache-twirling.
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Quote:People argue about aesthetics all the time. Certainly, what constitutes 'better' aesthetics is subjective, but this is where the argument comes from.Originally Posted by Venture
Actually I don't, because this isn't something you can argue about. It's a question of aesthetics.
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Quote:Well, if that's what you want, all you need is a really good argument.Originally Posted by Venture
My fixes would likely become a matter of some discussion, since I would do things like utterly destroy Ouroboros and time travel in general, kill off Nemesis, eliminate all parallel Earths (not to be confused with alternate words, i.e. Praetoria is a parallel of City's Earth, Narnia would be an alternate world; I would reclassify the Rikti homeworld as an alternate world) and probably Kill Off For Real all or most of the signature characters.
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Quote:I think you could fix it.Originally Posted by Venture
The recent storyline work has been wretched enough that I'd just as soon not see anything but more static set-pieces like the new raid-level events.
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Lots of good subjects brought up in this thread so far. I'm also interested in a few things that I don't think have been brought up yet.
1) When all of this business with the Coming Storm is resolved, for good or for bad, there's going to be a bunch of Incarnates milling about (or at least a few more than there used to be before the Well entity started making a comeback) without any godlike 4D enemy to be united against. There's going to be some sort of ramifications when the 'Hero VS Villain' business gets back into gear...
2) ...and what about all the non-Incarnate supers in the aftermath? Is there going to be a division between Incarnates and 'standard' supers?
3) Nick Pocker, a.k.a. "Tempter", leader of the Hellions, has been camping out in the Big Zig for quite a while. As far as we know, no one's tried to get him out. Devil-worshipping gang/cult leader? Humongous building shaped like that thing where they used to toss off human sacrifices? Nothing going on here.
4) Speaking of the Zigursky residents, we haven't heard anything about that popular guy Upstart for a while. Dreck gets by on inspiring people through strength, but he's terrified of what Upstart means to a lot of the Freakshow. What kind of demeanor and/or strength would someone have to possess for the Freaks to consider them as an anarchistic 'messiah'?
5) Speaking of people associating with the Freakshow, what's the deal with Weaver-1 hanging out with them in the past? He seemed to be a pretty popular guy. Where or who is he, anyway?
6) I remember back in the prototype Issue 6 overview, there were a couple of Grandville contacts that never seemed to see the light of day: Marshal Mayhem, Grandville's military leader and global extortionist, and Eliza Silk, Arachnos' 'Keeper of Secrets.' Are they still canon, or did they get transmogrified into a couple of other contacts? -
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Quote:...dude, what ails you? Are you really talking about how the sky is falling and crushing everyone's daisies because the developers are focusing on a tough endgame for the time being?Originally Posted by Lycaeus
That's fine. But it's a wound caused by items that were knowingly designed by the devs knowing that some of their players would run into it and get hurt.
Presumably, they are betting that enough players will shrug it off as a flesh wound, stand up again, and learn how to clamber around the obstacle.
Now the manner in which they encourage and slowly offer help and assistance for those who are having trouble to get around it, will affect the number of players who would put up with the obstacle being there in the first place.
Too abruptly, too dismissively, and one is liable to get players who decide that the meadow they originally picked to play in, is now full of falling boulders from the sky getting in their way, and deciding to head off to greener pastures.
Look, man, be the witness of your own thoughts, so to speak. You're not in a rational mood when discussing this stuff. You didn't even understand what bAss was saying about self-inflicted wounds: nobody but you can choose whether or not to participate in the newest content. -
Quote:Where are the Rogue Isles?! D:Originally Posted by Positron
Bingo.
I love that you guys know so much about the lore. Even if it's lore I had nothing to do with! -
Quote:Man, I haven't used that team finder window in forever...but, I subscribe to a few good global channels on Justice.Originally Posted by the_fox_Rox
You could also add a strike target flag to the teamfinder interface. Though the standard TF flag should suffice.
The only people that I know of who still use that thing are folks checking the number of players in The Hive before or during raids. -
Quote:Yeah, a few of those characters with purple rings around their feet have been around for many, many issues, n' I keep wondering what's gonna happen with them. I've even seen a Jenny Adair clone with a male name hanging around behind the Talos Island Wentworth's for some reason; I bugged it at one point.Originally Posted by DarkGob
I have a feeling that the NPCs for this may already be placed in-game and are simply waiting to be activated. In Sharkhead there's an Operative Luong standing by the Arbiter at the foot of the Arachnos base; when you talk to him, a blank dialog window opens. I also came across a female NPC in a Train Station in Paragon who seems to serve no purpose, but when I talked to her she just said something in a chat bubble, no dialog window popped up. (Unfortunately I forget her name and what she said.)
I think actually being able to call the contact I've mentioned in the OP is better for being able to check the calendar anywhere you like.
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I don't really know how the developers intend to announce the different Strike Targets coming up with the Strike Pack / I19.5, but not having an in-game announcement, and/or reasons why these Targets are selected/who is doing the selection, is sort of an immersion break and also not as effective as it could be without a little assistance.
So, here's my idea, not knowing if something like this is already being implemented. Each player gets a new contact that they can phone, much like Redemption and Pit. Let's call them Longbow Threat Assessor and Arachnos Strike Coordinator for the hero contact and villain contact, respectively. We now have ingame entities doing the selection.
When you call the LTA or ASC, there's of course the introduction text. There should be two options for further dialogue: One for discourse on Strike Targets, and one for showing a calendar for current/upcoming strikes.
The chain of discourse ought to go something like
What the role of the LTA/ASC is, and why Strike Targets are being chosen -> Why you should participate in dealing with Strike Targets (i.e. rewards, or spooky-ingame danger, etc.) -> When Strike Targets change, and an explanation of a redside/blueside target or a co-op target -> GOTO 10. Insert as many other links in the chain as you like.
The player should always have the option of viewing the calendar, no matter what point in the chain above they're in. Why a calendar, you ask? Well, why not a calendar? Players like to know what's coming up; maybe they need to have time to make plans to participate, who knows?
(To be honest, an ingame calendar for all major events would be good as well, such as holiday events, Rikti raids, 2xXP weekends, contest deadlines, all sorts of things. That's for another thread perhaps, though.)
Assuming that you don't want the Strike Target 'calendar' to be very complicated, text should suffice; just a few lines in the format of "[Start Date] - [End Date]: [Strike Target Name] - [Level Range] ([Co-Op / Not Co-Op]) - [Rewards?]" should do.
There should be a pop-up on login whenever the Strike Targets have been updated (the pop-up should explain how to call the LTA/ASC.) This isn't to say that you shouldn't announce the Targets on the board; the more notification you make available, the more people may take notice. That's a practical reason for implementing this suggestion. -
OP: There's no trick to it at all. Just keep running ITFs and LGTFs until you have the number of shards you need. Running almost any other TF to get salvage is rubbish.
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Quote:There's an actual term for using different sets in one power: frankenslotting. I do it a little bit, if I really need a certain type of set bonus and there's more than one set for a type of power that gives it, or if the use of one set doesn't satisfy my personal requirement for enhancement on a power.Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
My first question here is actually a concern: I looked at the list of all existing Sets and decided to check what I'd need to use if I wanted to go, just for instance, for melee damage. I'm looking for something that's EASILY affordable, which means PvP, TF-only and Purple sets are out, and I'd ideally want something at 50. Well, there really is only one single melee damage set that's like that in the game, namely Crushing Impact. I don't know how expensive this is to buy, but I know I've been getting drops of the recipes a lot, and I can see it only uses common and uncommon salvage, which should be easily doable.
Here's the question, though: Is that it? Am I seriously suppose to use just this one set over and over? Or am I expected to use lower-level sets, as well?
Note that this question arises particularly as a result of the restrictions you've set.
Well, there's nothing saying that you have to slot every power with a set.Quote:Mostly, I'm looking to exceed the standard Acc/End/3*Damage slotting, and I'm not sure that's doable with just Crushing Impact. Moreover, trying to get too many of that one set will most likely prove to be problematic, considering a melee character typically has seven powers that can use that one, if not more.
If you're not worried about overstacking set bonuses, perhaps a little. You may want to mix and match different sets or sets and IOs/HOs if you really don't want to use sub-50 sets. Really, it depends on what kind of set bonuses you're looking for. If you're looking to stack a lot of a particular kind of set bonus, you will have a lot of trouble attempting to ignore sets that have at least one Rare recipe.Quote:In a way, I suppose it comes down to this: Were I convinced to go with Set Inventions, how much would I expect to HAVE to look for sets and enhancements below my level? -
Quote:'Imperious Task Force 1' means the first mission.Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
Imperious Task Force 1? Is there another in the works we don't know about yet? And which is the Minotaur fight? The one at the end of the first level where you free the sybils?
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Quote:The implementation of the best insidious plans requires plenty of time.Originally Posted by That_Ninja
What ever happened to this villain group/EAT/idea or something? It seemed so interesting.
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The CoH Helper log.
---System information gathered by CoH Helper version 0.2.0.2---
DxDiag gathered at December 24, 2010 10:45 (-06:00)
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.100427-1636)
System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
System Model: M61PME-S2P
BIOS: Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
Central Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 7750 Dual-Core Processor, MMX, 3DNow (2 CPUs), ~2.7GHz
Memory: 3584MB
.Net Memory Report: 2542MB out of 3583MB available
Page File: 5918MB (1084MB currently in use)
C Drive: (Hitachi HDT721032SLA360) 242559MB out of 305242MB (79%) free
D Drive: (HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GSA-H55L) zero-size drive
Windows directory location: C:\WINNT
DirectX: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DirectX Diag version: 5.03.2600.5512 (32-bit version)
Display Notes: No problems found.
Sound Notes: No problems found.
Input Notes: No problems found.
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor's Max Resolution: 1600,1200
Video Device Name: NVIDIA GeForce 7300 LE
Manufacturer / Chip: NVIDIA / GeForce 7300 LE
Video Memory: 512.0 MB
Driver Version: 6.14.0011.6921
Driver Date: 12/5/2007 1:41:00 AM
Driver Language: English
Sound Device Description: SB Live! Wave Device
Driver File: emu10k1m.sys
Driver Version: 5.12.0001.3300
Driver Date: 8/17/2001 11:19:26 AM
WMI Information
Motherboard Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
Motherboard Model: (empty)
Motherboard Product: M61PME-S2P
Motherboard Version: x.x
BIOS Manufacturer: Award Software International, Inc.
BIOS Name: Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
BIOS Version: GBT - 42302e31
BIOS Release: 20081230000000.000000+000
Registry Information for Current User
Resolution: 1024x768
3D Resolution: 1024x768 (Not using renderscale)
Full Screen: Yes
Maximized: No
Screen Position: 0, 0
Refresh Rate: 60Hz
Vertical Sync Enabled: Yes
Physics Quality: Medium
Maximum Particles: 50000
Max Particle Fill? 10.000
Physics Card Enabled: No
Anti-aliasing: Off
Anisotropic Filtering: 4x
Texture LOD Bias: Smooth
Water Effects: None
Bloom: 1.000 (turned off)
Depth of Field Enabled: No
Desaturation Effects (Sepia) Enabled: Yes
Shader Detail: Low?
World Texture Level: Very High
Character Texture Level: Very High
World Detail Level (Vis_Scale): 1.000
Entity Detail Level: 1.000
Shadows Enabled: Yes
Shadow Mode: Stencil shadows
Shadow Map Shader: Unknown (0)
Environmental Reflections: Disabled
Advanced Occlusion Settings: No
Ambient Occlusion: Off
Occlusion Strength: Off
Blur: Bilateral
Ambient Resolution: Performance
Gamma Correction: 1.000
Geometry Buffers (VBOs) Enabled: Yes
Suppression of FX When Camera Close Enabled: No
Close Suppression Range: 3.000
Show Advertisements: Yes
Audio Mode: Compatiblity
3D Audio: No
FX Sound Volume: 0.402
Music Sound Volume: 0.302
Show Advanced Graphics Options: Yes
Overall Graphics Quality: 0.500
Reverse Mouse Buttons: No
Save Login Username: Yes
Transfer Rate: 229027 bytes/second
Current Game Version: 1900.201011102104.27
Installation Directory: C:\Program Files\City of Heroes
Mod files in the Data directory
No modifications found
The HijackThis log.
Logfile of Trend Micro HijackThis v2.0.4
Scan saved at 10:50:00 AM, on 12/24/2010
Platform: Windows XP SP3 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v8.00 (8.00.6001.18702)
Boot mode: Normal
Running processes:
C:\WINNT\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\services.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\svchost.exe
C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgchsvx.exe
C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgrsx.exe
C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgcsrvx.exe
C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgwdsvc.exe
C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\InCD\InCDsrv.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\LightScribe\LSSrvc.exe
C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgam.exe
C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgnsx.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\LxrJD31s.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\nvsvc32.exe
C:\Program Files\CyberLink\Shared Files\RichVideo.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINNT\Explorer.EXE
C:\Program Files\SmartDisk\Flash Media Reader\shwicon.exe
C:\Program Files\CyberLink\PowerDVD\PDVDServ.exe
C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\InCD\NBHGui.exe
C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\InCD\InCD.exe
C:\Program Files\HP\HP Software Update\HPWuSchd2.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\RUNDLL32.EXE
C:\PROGRA~1\AVG\AVG9\avgtray.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\devldr32.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\ctfmon.exe
C:\program files\steam\steam.exe
C:\Program Files\HP\Digital Imaging\bin\hpqtra08.exe
C:\Program Files\HP\Digital Imaging\bin\hpqSTE08.exe
C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgcsrvx.exe
C:\Program Files\AIM\aim.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\Program Files\Winamp\winamp.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\mshta.exe
C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe
C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe
C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe
C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\msiexec.exe
C:\Program Files\Trend Micro\HiJackThis\HiJackThis.exe
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.hotmail.com/
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Search_URL = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157
R3 - URLSearchHook: AVG Security Toolbar BHO - {A3BC75A2-1F87-4686-AA43-5347D756017C} - C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\Toolbar\IEToolbar.dll
O2 - BHO: (no name) - {02478D38-C3F9-4efb-9B51-7695ECA05670} - (no file)
O2 - BHO: AcroIEHlprObj Class - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 7.0\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: WormRadar.com IESiteBlocker.NavFilter - {3CA2F312-6F6E-4B53-A66E-4E65E497C8C0} - C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgssie.dll
O2 - BHO: Spybot-S&D IE Protection - {53707962-6F74-2D53-2644-206D7942484F} - C:\Program Files\Spybot - Search & Destroy\SDHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: AVG Security Toolbar BHO - {A3BC75A2-1F87-4686-AA43-5347D756017C} - C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\Toolbar\IEToolbar.dll
O2 - BHO: Java(tm) Plug-In 2 SSV Helper - {DBC80044-A445-435b-BC74-9C25C1C588A9} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin\jp2ssv.dll
O3 - Toolbar: AVG Security Toolbar - {CCC7A320-B3CA-4199-B1A6-9F516DD69829} - C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\Toolbar\IEToolbar.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ShowIcon_SmartDisk Corporation_SmartDisk Flash Media Reader Support 2.1] "C:\Program Files\SmartDisk\Flash Media Reader\shwicon.exe" -t"SmartDisk Corporation\SmartDisk Flash Media Reader Support 2.1"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SW20] "C:\WINNT\system32\sw20.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [RemoteControl] "C:\Program Files\CyberLink\PowerDVD\PDVDServ.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LanguageShortcut] "C:\Program Files\CyberLink\PowerDVD\Language\Language.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [LGODDFU] "C:\Program Files\lg_fwupdate\fwupdate.exe" blrun
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SecurDisc] "C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\InCD\NBHGui.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [InCD] "C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\InCD\InCD.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [HP Software Update] C:\Program Files\HP\HP Software Update\HPWuSchd2.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvCplDaemon] RUNDLL32.EXE C:\WINNT\system32\NvCpl.dll,NvStartup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [nwiz] nwiz.exe /install
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvMediaCenter] RUNDLL32.EXE C:\WINNT\system32\NvMcTray.dll,NvTaskbarInit
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [GEST] ]
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe" -atboottime
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AVG9_TRAY] C:\PROGRA~1\AVG\AVG9\avgtray.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [EvtMgr6] C:\Program Files\Logitech\SetPointP\SetPoint.exe /launchGaming
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [MSMSGS] "C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe" /background
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [ctfmon.exe] C:\WINNT\system32\ctfmon.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Steam] "c:\program files\steam\steam.exe" -silent
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [LightScribe Control Panel] "C:\Program Files\Common Files\LightScribe\LightScribeControlPanel.exe" -hidden
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-19\..\RunOnce: [^SetupICWDesktop] C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\Connection Wizard\icwconn1.exe /desktop (User 'LOCAL SERVICE')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-19\..\RunOnce: [tscuninstall] %systemroot%\system32\tscupgrd.exe (User 'LOCAL SERVICE')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-20\..\RunOnce: [^SetupICWDesktop] C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\Connection Wizard\icwconn1.exe /desktop (User 'NETWORK SERVICE')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-18\..\RunOnce: [^SetupICWDesktop] C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\Connection Wizard\icwconn1.exe /desktop (User 'SYSTEM')
O4 - HKUS\.DEFAULT\..\RunOnce: [^SetupICWDesktop] C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\Connection Wizard\icwconn1.exe /desktop (User 'Default user')
O4 - Startup: Adobe Gamma.lnk = C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Calibration\Adobe Gamma Loader.exe
O4 - Global Startup: Adobe Gamma Loader.lnk = C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Calibration\Adobe Gamma Loader.exe
O4 - Global Startup: Adobe Reader Speed Launch.lnk = C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 7.0\Reader\reader_sl.exe
O4 - Global Startup: HP Digital Imaging Monitor.lnk = C:\Program Files\HP\Digital Imaging\bin\hpqtra08.exe
O4 - Global Startup: Microsoft Office.lnk = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\OSA9.EXE
O8 - Extra context menu item: E&xport to Microsoft Excel - res://C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\Office12\EXCEL.EXE/3000
O9 - Extra button: AIM - {AC9E2541-2814-11d5-BC6D-00B0D0A1DE45} - C:\Program Files\AIM\aim.exe
O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {DFB852A3-47F8-48C4-A200-58CAB36FD2A2} - C:\Program Files\Spybot - Search & Destroy\SDHelper.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Spybot - Search && Destroy Configuration - {DFB852A3-47F8-48C4-A200-58CAB36FD2A2} - C:\Program Files\Spybot - Search & Destroy\SDHelper.dll
O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {e2e2dd38-d088-4134-82b7-f2ba38496583} - C:\WINNT\Network Diagnostic\xpnetdiag.exe
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: @xpsp3res.dll,-20001 - {e2e2dd38-d088-4134-82b7-f2ba38496583} - C:\WINNT\Network Diagnostic\xpnetdiag.exe
O9 - Extra button: Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Windows Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O15 - Trusted Zone: http://java.sun.com
O16 - DPF: RaptisoftGameLoader - http://www.miniclip.com/haphazard/ra...gameloader.cab
O16 - DPF: {41F17733-B041-4099-A042-B518BB6A408C} - http://a1540.g.akamai.net/7/1540/52/...eInstaller.exe
O16 - DPF: {4F1E5B1A-2A80-42CA-8532-2D05CB959537} (MSN Photo Upload Tool) - http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w2/resources/MSNPUpld.cab
O16 - DPF: {5ED80217-570B-4DA9-BF44-BE107C0EC166} (Windows Live Safety Center Base Module) - http://cdn.scan.onecare.live.com/res...scbase5483.cab
O16 - DPF: {6414512B-B978-451D-A0D8-FCFDF33E833C} (WUWebControl Class) - http://update.microsoft.com/windowsu...?1147640637654
O16 - DPF: {67DABFBF-D0AB-41FA-9C46-CC0F21721616} (DivXBrowserPlugin Object) - http://download.divx.com/player/DivXBrowserPlugin.cab
O16 - DPF: {6E32070A-766D-4EE6-879C-DC1FA91D2FC3} (MUWebControl Class) - http://update.microsoft.com/microsof...?1148195024359
O16 - DPF: {77E32299-629F-43C6-AB77-6A1E6D7663F6} (Groove Control) - http://download.shockwave.com/pub/otoy/OTOYAX.cab
O16 - DPF: {7C6E92FA-4429-4FB6-909B-798E2EFFAEF0} (NCWeb.Launcher) - http://www.coh.co.kr/common/ocx/ncweb.cab
O16 - DPF: {B8BE5E93-A60C-4D26-A2DC-220313175592} (ZoneIntro Class) - http://cdn2.zone.msn.com/binFramewor...o.cab34246.cab
O16 - DPF: {C49134CC-B5EF-458C-A442-E8DFE7B4645F} (YYGInstantPlay Control) - http://www.yoyogames.com/downloads/activex/YoYo.cab
O16 - DPF: {DF780F87-FF2B-4DF8-92D0-73DB16A1543A} - http://www.popcap.com/games/popcaploader_v6.cab
O16 - DPF: {E5D419D6-A846-4514-9FAD-97E826C84822} (HeartbeatCtl Class) - http://fdl.msn.com/zone/datafiles/heartbeat.cab
O16 - DPF: {FE0BD779-44EE-4A4B-AA2E-743C63F2E5E6} (IWinAmpActiveX Class) - http://pdl.stream.aol.com/downloads/...ampx_en_dl.cab
O18 - Protocol: avgsecuritytoolbar - {F2DDE6B2-9684-4A55-86D4-E255E237B77C} - C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\Toolbar\IEToolbar.dll
O18 - Protocol: linkscanner - {F274614C-63F8-47D5-A4D1-FBDDE494F8D1} - C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgpp.dll
O20 - Winlogon Notify: avgrsstarter - avgrsstx.dll (file missing)
O22 - SharedTaskScheduler: Browseui preloader - {438755C2-A8BA-11D1-B96B-00A0C90312E1} - C:\WINNT\system32\browseui.dll
O22 - SharedTaskScheduler: Component Categories cache daemon - {8C7461EF-2B13-11d2-BE35-3078302C2030} - C:\WINNT\system32\browseui.dll
O23 - Service: Adobe LM Service - Adobe Systems - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe Systems Shared\Service\Adobelmsvc.exe
O23 - Service: AVG Security Toolbar Service - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\Toolbar\ToolbarBroker.exe
O23 - Service: AVG WatchDog (avg9wd) - AVG Technologies CZ, s.r.o. - C:\Program Files\AVG\AVG9\avgwdsvc.exe
O23 - Service: InCD Helper (InCDsrv) - Nero AG - C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\InCD\InCDsrv.exe
O23 - Service: Logitech Bluetooth Service (LBTServ) - Logitech, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Common Files\LogiShrd\Bluetooth\lbtserv.exe
O23 - Service: LightScribeService Direct Disc Labeling Service (LightScribeService) - Hewlett-Packard Company - C:\Program Files\Common Files\LightScribe\LSSrvc.exe
O23 - Service: Lexar JD31 (LxrJD31s) - Unknown owner - C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\LxrJD31s.exe
O23 - Service: NBService - Nero AG - C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\Nero BackItUp\NBService.exe
O23 - Service: NMIndexingService - Nero AG - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Ahead\Lib\NMIndexingService.exe
O23 - Service: NVIDIA Display Driver Service (NVSvc) - NVIDIA Corporation - C:\WINNT\system32\nvsvc32.exe
O23 - Service: Pml Driver HPZ12 - HP - C:\WINNT\system32\HPZipm12.exe
O23 - Service: Cyberlink RichVideo Service(CRVS) (RichVideo) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\CyberLink\Shared Files\RichVideo.exe
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Quote:Aaargh, I forgot that.Originally Posted by Master-Blade
Updating video drivers is still good advice though. We don't know which card or driver the OP is using
It's a NVIDIA GeForce 7300 LE. Better?