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I'm also extremely familiar with accounting slight of hand, and am not fully convinced that it is not in play here.
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Quote:That's interesting, considering that there are a games that have launched as F2P and have done extremely well with it -League of Legends, for example.Well, there was that whole 'Freedom' initiative. It's pretty widely accepted in the industry that subscription games don't go F2P unless they have to.
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You'll forgive my skepticism that what you are saying regarding Paragon Studios is in fact true, as if they were not being profitable, I suspect we would certainly have seen evidence of that before August 31st.
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Quote:My position is that the game was healthy because it was quite probably profitable. Now, some might call it unhealthy because it wasn't profitable *enough,* but that's splitting hairs. There are plenty of possible reasons why the game had diminishing revenue, one of the big ones would be the wholesale financial crisis of the past few years, as that has had an effect on everyone.So your position is now that it wasn't healthy but that was because it had no advertising budget ?
Interesting. Advertising to the public is something I never was able to get a good grasp of. Marketing in general is one of the most difficult parts of any business because of the difficulty in assessing the results. Here is something I was really aware of though. My best sales came from repeat business and my best markets were prior customers that I could interest in new/improved products.
CoH was unable to seal the deal with its former customers. Look at that graph at best they came back briefly and left.
This leaves you with the proposition
1. Paragon studios can't interest the people who are most likely to buy their products and can be reached with inexpensive advertising.
2. If you can't sell to the market most likely to buy should you spend large amounts of money to reach other markets much less likely to purchase ?
3. How far do you trust people with a record of not delivering ?
One's best sales are always from repeat customers, that much is true. That fact lead to the development of a multi-billion dollar CRM industry, after all. I perceive the problem faced by Paragon as being three fold:
1) Sudden drop in the availability of disposable income to throw towards frivolous expenses, of which gaming would be one.
2) Minimal involvement from the parent company (NCSoft) in regards to advertising and marketing support.
3) The game's actual age. People's attention spans are a lot shorter than they used to be, so we largely all prefer the newer, shinier stuff.
At this point, the best way to save City of Heroes, should someone obtain the entire IP, is start on CoH2 immediately. -
Indeed. I would cite the decline of traditional publishing as having a significant impact on the fortunes of nearly all gaming experiences, as I can think of one or two gaming magazines that have had to close their doors in entirety over the past two years.
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We also have a game that had a non-existent advertising budget. That alone proves fatal for many ventures.
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Quote:What grounds do you have to believe that City of Heroes was an unhealthy game?Julius Ceasar "Men willingly believe what they wish"
For 8 years this community has swallowed every developer lie hook line and sinker. You even had volunteer liars like Golden Girl step in to amplify. Even nowm when the devs have admitted they were throwing B.S. at you, the community isn't internalizing the implications.
Think on this, the people who are promoting plan Z are the same people who can't admit that a dead game wasn't healthy, encouraged people to waste money on points, condoned preying on people with a weakness for gambling.
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Quote:Technically, one does not need to steal to be a thief, one need only take what does not belong to one's self. Largely, what I take I return to its rightful owner.So you only care about money? Is that why you started stealing in the first place?
Quote:A far more likely reason is that either he or Mercedes didn't understand what those numbers represented, or used the wrong term in referring to those numbers. In some of the posts from that search link AF posted, it's clear that the people were talking about sales, and mislabeled them as profits. I'm not surprised; even most businesspeople are not financially-minded, and will misuse or not fully understand financial and accounting terminology. It's happened on these boards too, and I generally didn't consider it important enough to correct. -
Thief yes, racist no. Discriminating against people on the basis of their ethnicity is bad for business no matter how you look at it.
Because I would rather be executed than own an Apple product? -
Quote:I don't own an iPod.
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Quote:I get it, you believe I'm a racist, and no amount of evidence is ever going to be enough to convince you otherwise.Pretty sure the implication was that Racist Terwyn doesn't know what they're talking about, and ML was parlaying second-hand "research" as fact. Again. Thus casting doubt on the OP.
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Quote:Think it was more likely Brian Clayton who handed them to her, myself.Actually, the implication is that "Larry" gave her the numbers, not someone in the studio. "Larry" being Larry Dixon, her husband.
I don't know, but probably enough to finance the development of a second game under an entirely different IP. -
Seems to me that she actually took the numbers someone else was throwing around, actually.
By that, I mean someone within the studio handed them to her. -
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The number, if real, *is* unrealistic, so GG is right there.
And Hit Streak's comment is somewhat different than what you portray.
Quote:That isn't saying it's not worth speculating on, it's saying that conclusions shouldn't be made until more information is available from the involved parties in question.It's going to be better for everyone (the community & the people still left from the Paragon team) if you only pay attention to information coming directly from the involved parties.
It may well be a true price, it may well be fraudulent.
I simply believe that the legalities of such negotiations force things to remain anonymous. I would happily confirm whether the $80 million tag is real, should I find the means to do so. As it stands, if it is the number that came from NCSoft, rather than external speculation, then the supposition that its goal is to make the appearance of being willing to sell without ever actually holding the intent to sell is quite a reasonable conclusion to make.
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I am a proponent of the idea that faith is nothing more than a sense of certainty in the validity of one's own perceptions and conclusions in light of the body of available evidence.
I wonder how many of you actually know the neuroscience and biochemistry behind religion. If you did, you'd certainly not decry it as mere crutch, since it is nothing more than a natural outcome of our brain's instinctive pattern-seeking nature.
If being an atheist is a consequence of your careful consideration of the available evidence and weighing the associated probabilities, all the power to you. If being religious is a consequence of the same, all the power to you as well.
I really don't care so long as you are simply willing to follow the evidence where-ever it leads, and thus be willing to change your position if it can be reasonably demonstrated to you that you have misread some portion of the available evidence. -
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Quote:Well, if you tend to presume that the universe we inhabit is all that reality was, is, and ever could be, that would necessarily be true.I would love to see the "proof" behind that, because any reality with God intrinsically requires that God not be the programmer of reality - unless God is somehow beyond reality, but that doesn't even make any sense.
But if this universe and reality are two different things, it would be quite possible for this universe to have been programmed or initiated by an external entity. -
That could be very well because the source was one of the investors themselves, who preferred to remain anonymous.
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Quote:Actually, religion can be quite easily demonstrated to be an emergent property of human neurology and cognition. About the only thing we can accurately say about God is that, if real, God is simply the engineer, architect, and programmer of reality.Doesn't work that way. I'd rather not believe in God and be wrong, than to believe in God and be right. There's a thing called "reality". You should try it sometime. For all you know, God made religion for the sole purpose of weeding out dumbassses from the rest of society so he can calmly and coolly explain to the atheists and agnostics why he really does exist, as equals, not as servant and lord.
Everything else is just procedural generation.