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Originally Posted by Arilou

Because then the game would be over. There'd be nothing more to do. Or at least it would have to transition into such a different game that it wouldn't really be anything like the one we have now. (which is impossible for all sorts of reasons)

not to mention that us "winning" would imply all the heroes "losing". Which means 80% of the playerbase gets shafted.

That's the problem with heroes and villains. Heroes are reactionary: They defend (and sometimes repair) the Status Quo. Villains seek to tear it down. If your villain succeeds and takes over the world how would you continue to play the game? And how would others?

Originally Posted by Aura_Familia

The devs can't fix most players wanting to be heroes. Period. End of discussion.

Originally Posted by Sun_Runner

One is forced to wonder if being able to charge, say, 800 paragon points for such customizations wouldn't increase the priority on this. I know that I've skipped entire ancillary and patron pools because the current colors clash with my character's colors, even if mechanically those pools are the best thing for me to take.

Since they can't (won't) do it without a greater incentive, maybe the greater incentive will do the trick.

Originally Posted by Arilou

And you're demanding to be the god-moded player, who demands to be treated like a special snowflake and to be able to ignore any kind of existing power-structure in the world, just by virtue of being a player.

And that's stupid. There's a world. There are powers in it and you mess with them at your own peril. You don't get to mess around with the Lady of Pain or traipse into Nessus or fight Cain or kick Khorne in the shins or have tea with the Dark Powers without issues.

Personally I wouldn't mind an option to say Screw you to Daos... That would then show a cutscene of you being killed and delete your character. Because that's what would happen. You shouldn't be able to beat Arachnos in a straight up contest of power. Because to dos o would be silly. You're one superpowered person (albeit a strong one) and there are thousands of them in the world.

To quote an old Jedi saying: There's always a bigger fish. Or in this case, you might be a Great White Shark but Arachnos is a school of Piranhas big enough to swallow the moon.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow

That's my meme, actually. And you have to admit that Recluse's obsession with the Statesman went beyond Dr. Doom and entered into creepy and weird a long time ago. The man isn't trying to rule the world or increase his power, he's content to just show up on the Statesman's doorstep and throw smarmy remarks at him like a spurned lover. And for his part, the Statesman abandons his calm and flies into an emotional rage every time he sees Recluse (check out the tutorial loading screen comic on Beta) like they had a bitter break-up. I honestly feel that the narrative would do Recluse a HUUUGE favour if it stopped identifying him through his relationship with the Statesman.

What really sinks Recluse's sense of power and villainy is that he runs a shithole that he doesn't really run. Aside from that one signed order to Arbiter Sands, it doesn't feel like Recluse does anything at all but exist as a figurehead, because his entire organisation is corrupt, mismanaged and highly unsuccessful at actually running a nation that runs itself behind their backs, for the most part. The reason people praise Tyrant and poopoo Recluse is that Tyrant is the villain with dignity. He rules his nation with an iron fist and everything that happens is said to have been thanks to him. Recluse, by contrast, simply exists in the Rogue Isles and lives among garbage and ruins. If anything, City of Villains looks more like a post-apocalyptic Earth than anything else.

Fixing villain-side would require giving Recluse a little more dignity as the de facto lord of the realm, possibly by giving him a zone that's less of a shithole, and at the same time giving players more opportunities to oppose him successfully, giving them the sense of having overcome a credible threat. Right now, the game's biggest fail is Arbiter Daos threatening to bring the full might of Arachnos on my head and the game playing my character like he's actually intimidated. Yeah, Arachnos, the dudes I've been slapping around like errant stepchildren since I was level 1, and I'm supposed to be afraid of them? Give me a break!

Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven

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I think this response is akin to those who still want the Sybil costumes.

Originally Posted by newchemicals

Originally Posted by Socorro
So Arbiter Hawk, if our KB is designed to keep us from being sought after for team play, it's a gigantic success.





This is so true.

Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill

Apparently he rolled one up during beta.

Yeah, it was my reaction, as well. After quite a bit of incredulity and laughter. It goes into "Ridiculous dev statements," not quite as high on the "WTH" scale as Jack's "Gameboy" story though.

Originally Posted by SkarmoryThePG

While others think Kheldians shouldn't get color customization in the first place.

Selectable animations? Yes please. Colors? Nope.

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

When the devs designed CoV, players complained that they were forced to serve a crazed dictator and his evil organization - they took that feedback onboard when designing GR and the Paretorian storyline, and now players are complaining about being forced to not serve a crazed dictator and his evil organization

Originally Posted by ChaosExMachina

I'd like to read a pro person argue how MM knock is anything but a liability. The whole argument of how you simply LRN2PLAY and use it efficiently doesn't work that way.

Originally Posted by Socorro

It seems that Arbiter Hawk (the dev responsible for the latest Kheld changes) believes that KB must be kept in a Kheld's powers because, REMOVING KB would make a Kheld TOO POWERFUL. KB is not kept because a Kheld needs it as mitigation; it's kepts because it's needed as a LIMITING factor so that a Kheld's AoE potential won't be overpowering compared to other sets (Super Strength was the example given).

What I read is, straight from the Horse's mouth, is Knockback is viewed as purposeful negative hindrance, as a tool to reel back a toon's power.

How the Devs see no-KB as overpowering for a Kheld is beyond me, but that another argument. What I'm asking is that if the Devs themselve see KB as a limitation to a power, how do you pro-KBers keep suggesting it's not?

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

Only when they start helping the Resistance take down Tyrant

Originally Posted by Soul_System

Well a power set is a slight De-railment of the thread, though the OP would highly desire it. But who said it had to be exclusively melee? Something like a 1-2-3 combo that sends an enemy flying with kb and then pumps a few rounds into them as they fly for good measure could be a "melee" attack. You have a good ole fashioned pistol whip, which is used real world lol. You could also be very short range (say 20 ft) with some attacks and still be forced to be in the thick of things. Look at whip attacks, 20-30 ft.

I mean really all you need to do is watch anime, read comic books, and be creative. Heck as a finisher you could uppercut someone, send them into the air, and unleash on them with your pistols. To keep in line with the very non-realistic comic book flair this would chain a kb on a delay after the KU so that the pistol barrage then sent them flying. See that I just came up with 3/4 attacks required on the spot that wouldn't be truly melee with your pistols as much as it is meleeing with your body and complimenting it with pistols.

Originally Posted by Forefinger_

This is what scrappers need: Dual Pistol/Blades!

Originally Posted by Rebel_Scum

Which isn't what was being suggested in this thread and never has been to my knowledge, I thought we were discussing an epic pool. Which in the case of scrappers contain all RANGED powers, so pistols make perfect sense.

Originally Posted by Kallandra

I've started putting up some of the pictures from the event, and they can be found here

I'll be adding the screenshots to it later

Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master

sunstorm always felt like a fairly generic PPD PB thats an EB/AV

on the arachnos side of things, kind of got me there, i think the only signture that looks fairly generic would be regent korel for AVs, and i think there is an EB ranked bane spider executioner (night widow nocturne is pretty good for generic night widow, but that will limit your arc to a specific lvl range)

thats all i can think of though but i know it doesnt cover as much as we could do with custom enemies

Originally Posted by DMystic

First Ward is a different situation as that's aimed at expanding Praetorian lore, so everything within would expand the world of Praetoria and either peel away another of Cole's layers or add more depravity to the Resistance. I haven't actually poked around in there on Beta though.

Regardless First Ward expands Praetoria, RWZ was expanding both Paragon and The Isles. It fails horribly at expanding the Isles, First Ward even if slanted towards Resistance will still be expanding Praetorian Lore.

Originally Posted by Dal

I think a knife set would be more focused on fast ST attacks. Knives really don't have enough range to justify all of those AoEs. Also, I think it really makes much more sense as a stalker set instead of a scrapper one.

I do like the crit bonuses though. I think it's an idea that would go quite well with this concept.