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Quote:What, you want me to get banned for not bleeping out profanity? And 'smeg' is a general light cuss that doesn't really mean much, other than an expression of exhasperation.Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
As for writing stylistic tips, sometimes the posts are typed in a stream of consciousness manner, Ill try to clean them up more. now about the lines of all caps, 4chan memes, bleeped out profanity and overuse of "smegging" in your posts. And, as often happens when one criticizes another person's grammar, its capitalization.
Also, you are calling someone on hyperbole? mr. steampunk pack is an "utter failure in design"? Your use of hyperbole is on the exact same level as bad's, your posting styles are actually amazingly similar.
Also, no z please, I'm English
Also also, I posted this;
BEFORE mention of the Steampunk pack, more aimed at the packs in general and their trend.Quote:Sadly, as most know, this isn't the first time this utter failure in design has come about. In fact, it's been with us for some time now;
So, either you're just looking for stuff to try and make your point and massacring my posts in the process, or just not getting the point of them. -
Quote:Pretty much.Originally Posted by Organica
The saloon girl outfit is nice, but a lot of people wanted to make a female gunslinger. Especially when the set is called "gunslinger".
I really thing that covers about 95% of all the hullabaloo over this set. -
Quote:Uhh...Originally Posted by BrandX
My only problem has been the "sexist" comment. Which is what a lot of this started out as.
It wasn't something simple as "Gawd! I hate this set for females!" (which I can see!) "Make it look like the male Gunslinger, and THEN you'll have my money." I'd never have had a problem.
But no, a lot of it came down to "Sexist!" and saying speaking of trends, that have been shown not to be trends (yet anyways).
No, no it really didn't start like that. In fact, what it started with WAS "Gawd! I hate this set for females! Make it look like the male Gunslinger, and THEN you'll have my money." That was pretty much the entire point of the original point of the original thread. Because the Saloon Girl outfit looked NOTHING like a Gunslinger outfit.
'Sexist' and that whole argument came in MUCH later. And then people latched onto that as their strawman argument later still.
This is the Original Post and thread. I said 'sexified' once, which those costumes are. Not once was 'sexist' mentioned.
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Quote:...wut?Originally Posted by BrandX
Then why not say "Less cheesecake and more actiony stuff like jackets, cool hats and holsters please." which imo, alot of the packs with the cheesecake fit when it comes to what superhero actiony usually entails, and not "You're sexist I'm going to ragequit!"?
I wouldn't quit over something like that.
I HAVE dropped my sub, but that's because;
1) I have no time at the moment thanks to Uni
2) I need to conserve money (again, Uni)
3) I have other games I play far, far more frequently (Skyrim)
4) I'd hit a rut with CoH anyway and was taking a break
This has nothing to do with ragequitting. This DOES have a lot to do with art direction, and even more-so with making the point that there WAS feedback during Beta. It was ignored, nearly totally. So it was high time someone made a point of saying 'Do you want any feedback whatsoever, or are we going back to Emmertism here?'
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Quote:You mean two parts guesswork, two parts slight baiting and one part winking?Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
Do you think it's feasible that we could ever see an upgrade in that aspect? (I'm honestly asking, you seem to have your finger on the pulse regarding upcoming features and stuff.)
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Aye, the game as a whole could really use more curves and less obvious polygons.
The worst offender is still the 'skeleton' parts in Atlas Hall, Azuria's room. It...that...yeah, that's like something out of minecraft...where stuff is *meant* to be square XD
Which is a shame, since it's clear they CAN do round stuff (Tommy's skull in the Midnighter Club, on the front desk, makes this perfectly clear and a direct comparison) -
Quote:I...that...Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
And ya'know, I bet this whole debacle also means we'll never get laser beam bras.
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Quote:That's nothing compared to the waist slider. My default for my girls is halfway to the right or more. None of them are anorexic, so... >_>Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
In all seriousness, this is a complaint I've heard frequently in game over the past two years (since I subscribed), and I was kind of bewildered the first time I noticed how ample the smallest allowed size is.
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Air quotes and actual
Quote:are differnent things.Quotes
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"It's ALL going to suck, all of it from now on, NO exceptions, and it's all your fault!" sounds pretty hyperbolic to me.
If anyone actually read David's thread they'd see that the current most voted for course still includes female specific pieces, just not 'Guys get action suit, girls get passive 'pretty' outfit'. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
I see that the concept of sarcasm is lost on you.
Regardless, since the developers have limited resources for costume development and some of you - such as yourself - decided to speak for *everyone* and got said developers to promise we'd be getting many fewer things for females that males cannot ALSO wear, in the future.... thank God for Gunslinger. I have a feeling those will be the last truly feminine costume pieces we are going to see for many a long day.
Nice going. Thanks.You're telling me that's NOT hyperbole? Really?Quote:Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
Well, I've been here since 2006, and others have been here even longer than that. Had you been here all along, you'd have seen that things are way less unbalanced than you believe.
But don't worry, we have it covered now. *cue the three-piece business-suit for females, with a cute little bow on the lower back of the jacket* Puns fully intended.
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Quote:True, but said comments are grabbing the OTHER wrong end of the stick XDOriginally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
Ok.
But I wasn't talking to you. I don't know where you got that impression but I'm sorry if it came across like I was.
I think it's impossible to argue that an awful lot of comments in these threads have been about how 'revealing' these clothes are, including comments made in this thread, which I was responding to.
If the sexiness and amount of skin on display is a "strawman" I suggest taking it up with the people making statements that they are offended by the parts, instead of just responding to me when I post a response to them. -
Quote:Ugh. Again with grabbing the entirely wrong end of the stick here.Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
The corset detail was created and re-released in different patterns 3 times in a little less than 6 months. We didn't have any prior to a few months ago.
Ironically, if we didn't get corset-like pieces in Barbarian and Gunslinger, we'd only have two, and would probably be asking for more corsets.
And like was said up thread, you can put something on under the corset if you think it's too revealing. If you put nothing on under it, plate armor is revealing too.
Shall I make it even clearer?
I like women! I like all their parts! I also have femalecharacters who dress in a very revealing way!
I ALSO have characters for whom that simply doesn't fit. I would LIKE them to have options too. I dislike the fact the Gunslinger pack was geared towards something entirely non-actiony.
This has NOTHING to do with prudishness, being 'offended' by too much skin or any of the other bloody daft strawmen counter arguments being thrown around here. Savvy? -
Quote:Hardly. We're talking about paid for packs. The Celestial armour was both un-paid for (in the sense that it wasn't a booster pack but a Vet reward) and unisex anyway.Originally Posted by BrandX
Because it's a vet reward shouldn't be a factor, but oh well.
And so the long trend of universal sets doesn't outwiegh the 3 packs in a row of universal?
Also, I see no reason not to include the CoT either, it's like you're trying to force the three sets to be in a row.
5 sets in a row one way, and you think the trend is the 3 packs in a row of the other way?
It's just becoming more and more like it's a "I didn't get what I want so I'm going to start name calling."
Yes, Gunslinger could of been so much better, they could of went the whole sexy gunslinger route and likely had no complaints at all. They didn't. :/ I know...I wanted those chaps too.
But then I wanted the Barbarian Chest Decal for my main too, but it's limited to males
And with the 'theme' booster packs, it's a case of 'We don't know what's in them until Beta/Live', whereas with the CoT it was a case of 'We get what the NPCs get'. Mostly, anyway...but thats a whole other kettle of fish.
As for name calling, well...what Deebs said, really. This has absolutely sod all to do with ' politically sanctimonious'ness and far more to do with 'Less cheesecake and more actiony stuff like jackets, cool hats and holsters please'. -
Quote:...Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
Good lord, its going to be City of Evangelicals next. We'll all have to have pants or knee-length skirts on our female alts, or risk getting reported.
"HI GM, there's this chick under the giant atom statue in Cap Au Diable wearing a mini, DOOOOOOO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!" [send report]
Meanwhile that stupid leather-straps-and-bare-chest-with-nipple-rings top for men will still be ok. Ha.
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Quote:Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
ok but heres the thing, as you saw posted in the thread, we didnt get sexy after sexy.
out of 16 packs only 5 had unique costume parts for women, some of which could be varying levels of skimpy, OR given the nature of the costume creator, could be entirely modest, your choice. so lets be honest, it was sexy(with tuxedo jackets as well for female characters), then unisex, then unisex, then unisex..down the line a bit, then magic which did sexy with varying levels of coverage, from little to total(witch bare to witch leather respectively), then we got unisex, unisex..till later on we got a steampunk set that had parts that could be sexy if you chose to not put anything underneath them, then unisex, then unisex, on and on.
in fact, preceding the angst ridden gunslinger was the fully unisex cot and the halloween pack, which had a exclusive female hair, but otherwise was unisex. so the problem with sexy after sexy is it misrepresents what we actually have been getting, which is a mix of unisex with unique looks when they have significant iconic looks that work.
Here we are, I knew this table got posted somewhere.Quote:Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
- Wedding (Feb 2008) -- women get both tux and dress
- Cyborg (Sept 2008)
- Valkyrie (March 2009)
- Magic (April 2009) -- differences in genders
- Science (July 2009)
- Martial Arts (Nov 2009)
- Going Rogue (April 2010)
- Origins (Nov 2010)
- Animal (Feb 2011)
- Steampunk (June 2011) -- difference in genders, first time corsets show up
- Barbarian (Aug 2011) -- difference in genders, both with lots of flesh on display
- Circle of Thorns (Sept 2011)
- Halloween (Oct 2011) -- difference in genders, but no one cares
- Gunslinger (Nov 2011) -- difference in genders
So, yes, I edited the post slightly, taking out the Celestial armour because it's not a paid for booster. It's a Vet reward.
So, we have a chunk of boosters with specific themes in them at the end. I also don't see the CoT pack as counting, for the simple reason that we knew exactly what was coming in M/F divide. We only had to look at the NPCs to know. There was no surprises or anything like that.
So, for complete sets we have Steampunk, then Barbarian and then Gunslinger.
Steampunk was mostly fine with a 'feh, no jacket' which was a major complaint from the Magic Pack two entire years prior. Surely they should have noticed that back then? Apparently not.
Then came Barbarian, with the first 'This is a bit silly' moment with thigh high, high heeled boots and furry edged skirts and the like.
And then we got Gunslinger. With all that entailed.
That's three complete, themed and paid for packs in a row. That's not 'misrepresenting' anything, really.
Also, Rian, would it seriously kill you to use paragraphs or basic capitalisation? Walloftext is not a pretty thing. -
Quote:Just....what?Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
send your thank you notes to the politically sanctimonious for that little gem, i love when people shove their politics into my fun, dont you?
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Quote:Probably fallout from the thread that likely sparked this one, HereOriginally Posted by EU_Damz
See you've made a lot more sense than 8/10 posts in the other thread. Im all for conervative outfits for females ingame, i was just a tad confused as quite a lot of posts in the other thread seemed to be "more female parts" please and not this sensible way of thinking.
[Still caught me by suprise at this suddenly making an appearance though, did seem to catch fire rather quickly, thus making me think that some of these posts are trying to derail some serious discussions into a "joke"] -
Quote:I'd pass as a geek.Originally Posted by Xanatos
Geeks don't understand women. Go figure.
So would my girlfriend. She prefers to dress conservatively.
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Quote:Sums it up nicely, really. Not to mention Bishop was always (afaik) more about his powers and a big gun, rather than looking a Hulk fusion.Originally Posted by Zombie Man
No, Dwayne Turner is an actual Marvel artist. But he might as well have graduated from the Liefeld academy of antanatomy.
Let's see:
He can't draw fingers since they disappear on one hand and are hidden on another.
The muscles on the left arm are not quite right, but look downright ordinary compared to the bicep on the right arm which looks like it's about four feet closer to the viewer than the rest of the arm, and the forearm becomes a slabby mess.
The X decal has no depth. It looks like a sticker placed on top of the drawing.
The right shoulder strap of the bathing top fades into nothingness.
There is inexplicable shadowing when there should be light hitting an object, namely, the crotch.
There is a remarkable volume of hair coming out of the back of the neck. Speaking of which, his hair is either heavily gelled or he has the power of Medusa since his hair refuses to blow in the direction of the wind that his head band is going. -
Quote:You're making sense again! This is scary!!Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Because it's the weekend
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Yeah, did Liefeld draw that? It has the 'hideously overdone anatomy' and lack of feet that fits his modus
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Street Justice.
Shor-YUKEN! -
Quote:Originally Posted by Aneko
It's a shame that some people can't see a woman as feminine or attractive if she's conservatively dressed. I can.Feels like we are times =PQuote:Originally Posted by Firemoth
You and my husband must be part of a dying breed.
I love jumpers, personally. It's like an instant +5 to huggability XD
And that reminds me; we need a polo-neck option, stat. -
Quote:Good luck trying to build a house extension with finicky tools.Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
well, since im in a goofy mood after work ill work with your analogy, because i happen, for my job, to work with a number of tools of varying degree, and i build some very delicate electronics but i almost never use a large hammer, because there is always a better, more precise tool with less chance of destroying what it is trying to accomplish. a big hammer is the tool of a amateur or a clumsy worker, or someone who wants to destroy something utterly, not of someone who wants to build up something that works.
Kahn drem ov homie.