Tater Todd

Originally Posted by Leo_G

Half of those differences are to the detriment of Stalkers (1, 3, 4, 8), some can be combined to shorten your list (3 & 5), some are circumstantial and/or irrelevant (1, 3, 7, 8) and you left out some that *really* make a difference between the 2 ATs.

Stalker vs. Scrapper:

1. Stalkers have controlled Alpha Strikes via Hide. Scrappers get no benefit from Stealth besides reaching the enemy before they can react.

2. Stalkers have Alpha Strike buffs without exception. Scrappers come in varieties that do not always support alpha striking.

3. Stalkers get Demoralize and Scrappers do not.

4. Stalkers get a self defensive + offensive tool in Placate while Scrappers get a team defensive tool in Confront.

5. Scrappers have more base HP.

And in those differences, 1-4 will be diminished to some degree because it will simply be easier and less circumstantial to drop them to take full advantage of Assassin's Focus + Assassin's Strike combo that will push Stalker's ST burst and DPS ahead of Scrappers *on it's own* *without the help of Stalker's 'gimmicks'*.



Have you ever made a dragon themed character? Or a demon themed character, for that matter.

Concept trumps min/maxing, IMO. It looks cool, it fulfills more concepts than those other attacks would and it's not particularly *ineffective* considering similar cone attacks (which are limited to 5 targets and 7ft range, BoF hits 10 targets at a 15ft range)...

Originally Posted by Leo_G

Which tells me you don't even know what I'm saying, you must not be capable of proper reading comprehension and therefore shouldn't be trusted with making any type of judgement calls or with a seat of criticism on the subject.

You can go home. I'll still be here playing melees, change or no.



I'd either go with the Tanker Port, substituting Combustion for AS...or the Brute/Scrapper version and substitute Cremate or Incinerate for AS. If AS is going to basically be that ST high dmg attack when not hidden, don't see any justification for having it.

Breath of Fire, on the other hand, is a very thematic and conceptual staple of the set. I know I love my Dragon type Brute to have his line of breath attacks because it fits his costume and theme very well. Wouldn't want to lock a Stalker out of a similar theme. You know people are going to want to make their Uchihas with Fire Melee/Nin/Weapon Master (or Fire) which needs a Breath of Fire attack...

Originally Posted by Siolfir

*digs around for an appropriate response*


There. That should answer any questions about Fire's secondary effect.

Originally Posted by Shadow Wail

I am going to try and solo an AV/GM this weekend and let you know how it goes.


On a side note: I tried the Ragnarok Proc and for some reason, it is doing knockback instead of knockdown. I want it to do KD on my caltrops but it seems to be doing KB and its seriously getting me miffed.

I am thinking about respec'ing Caltrops out and getting something else. I didnt take Time Bomb since I heard it stinks.

I am also thinking of taking out the Devastation proc from Acid Mortar. I spent some time with the practice dummies from RWZ just spamming my Mortars, I can only get 2 out at a time so it seems ok for the debuff field but the procs arent triggering enough for me to care, has anyone slotted Glad's Javelin: Chance for Toxic Damage?


As for the Incarnate Trials, I dont see my Rad/Traps doing too muich on the BAF Escapee Phase but the AV phase he seems to be doing very well for an incarnate that isnt fully slotted.

Originally Posted by JuliusSeizure

I would have to shuffle some procs out of Hail of Bullets, but Poison Trap would run the wonderful Armageddon and Gladiator's Fury procs SOOOooo much more often. I am also going to drop Antidote for Super Speed + Stealth IO. Antidote is, sadly, completely useless in 99.726% of this game.

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Maldehyde: Level 50 Science Corruptor
Primary Power Set: Dual Pistols
Secondary Power Set: Poison
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Dark Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Dual Wield -- Apoc-Dmg/Rchg(A), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(3), Apoc-Acc/Rchg(3), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx(5), Apoc-Dam%(5)
Level 1: Alkaloid -- Panac-Heal/EndRedux(A), Panac-EndRdx/Rchg(7), Panac-Heal/Rchg(7), Panac-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(9), Panac-Heal(9)
Level 2: Envenom -- ShldBrk-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(A), ShldBrk-DefDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(17), ShldBrk-Acc/Rchg(25), HO:Lyso(46), Achilles-ResDeb%(48)
Level 4: Weaken -- Cloud-ToHitDeb(A), Cloud-Acc/ToHitDeb(15), Cloud-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(15), Cloud-Acc/Rchg(17), HO:Lyso(23)
Level 6: Swap Ammo
Level 8: Bullet Rain -- Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(A), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(11), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(11), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(13), Ragnrk-Knock%(13)
Level 10: Kick -- Empty(A)
Level 12: Maneuvers -- SW-Def/EndRdx(A), SW-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(27), SW-Def(27), LkGmblr-Rchg+(29)
Level 14: Tough -- GA-ResDam(A), GA-End/Res(39), GA-3defTpProc(40), GA-Res/Rech/End(40)
Level 16: Elixir of Life -- Aegis-Psi/Status(A)
Level 18: Executioner's Shot -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(19), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(19), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(21), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(21)
Level 20: Weave -- SW-Def/EndRdx(A), SW-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(23), SW-Def(43), LkGmblr-Rchg+(39)
Level 22: Combat Jumping -- SW-Def/EndRdx(A)
Level 24: Antidote -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 26: Piercing Rounds -- JavVoll-Acc/End/Rech(A), JavVoll-Acc/Dmg/End/Rech(31), HO:Centri(34), HO:Centri(34)
Level 28: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(29)
Level 30: Tactics -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(37), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(37), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(39), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(31), GSFC-Build%(46)
Level 32: Hail of Bullets -- Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(A), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(33), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(33), Armgdn-Dam%(34), FotG-ResDeb%(48)
Level 35: Poison Trap -- UbrkCons-Hold/Rchg(A), UbrkCons-Acc/Hold/Rchg(36), UbrkCons-Acc/Rchg(36), UbrkCons-EndRdx/Hold(36), UbrkCons-Dam%(37), Lock-%Hold(42)
Level 38: Venomous Gas -- DarkWD-ToHitDeb(A), DarkWD-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(40), DarkWD-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx(43), DarkWD-Rchg/EndRdx(48)
Level 41: Dark Consumption -- P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(A), P'Shift-EndMod(42), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(43)
Level 44: Soul Transfer -- Amaze-Stun(A), Amaze-Stun/Rchg(45), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(45), Amaze-Acc/Rchg(45), Amaze-ToHitDeb%(46)
Level 47: Dark Embrace -- GA-ResDam(A), GA-End/Res(50), GA-Res/Rech/End(50)
Level 49: Vengeance -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 50: Musculature Radial Paragon
Level 0: Born In Battle
Level 0: High Pain Threshold
Level 0: Invader
Level 0: Marshal
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Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(25)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A), Empty(42)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), P'Shift-EndMod(31), P'Shift-End%(50)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Scourge
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 6: Chemical Ammunition
Level 6: Cryo Ammunition
Level 6: Incendiary Ammunition



My general play style is to be as aggressive as possible when HOB is up. I will jump in and immediately use Poison Gas Trap while simultaneously debuffing foes with Venemous Gas, which is then followed by Bullet Rain->Hail of Bullets->Bullet Rain. Not much survives this except for bosses on Incarnate level content. Any stragglers either get debuffed by Weaken/Envenom or hit with my single target attack chain (Dual->Executioner->Dual->Piercing).

If you play difficult content, I would highly recommend taking Soul Transfer on a Corruptor. It takes a little while, but you begin to realize that your character is the ultimate conundrum for the foes: Either I kill you, or you kill me and then I use a mag 30 stun and and then kill you. I find this skill much more enjoyable on a squishy than on a Tank or Brute.

It's sad, but because of the terrible AoE radius and rather long animation on Envenom and Weaken I have found very little use for these skills outside of AV fights. I get much more return by using Poison Trap as an alpha opener followed by an AoE barrage.

I generally use fire rounds, but have found that chemical rounds combined with the rest of the set's -damage and -resistance debuffs provide some potent synergy as they augment each other and stack to very high levels.

• Antidote is trash.

• Alkaloid is worse than trash, and I would drop it if I could.

• Nerotoxic Breath would be fun, if it weren't for the fact that the set opperates best in melee range and has absolutely no synergy with the rest of the set because of its narrow cone.

• Elixer of Life is good, but YAWN... let's just clone Mutation! Wouldn't that be great?!

• Venemous Gas absoultely needs a debuff duration longer than .5 seconds on a set that forces a squishy AT into melee range to be most effective. It detoggles constantly. See: Hurrican as a skill done right.

• Paralytic Poison is a long recharge, short duration mag3 hold with no secondary effects. At least Dark Miasma can skip it because it has so many other awesome powers. Poison? Not so much...

But just to add-- Posion Trap:Awesome!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Trickshooter

I PM'd Synapse the other day about TA buffs and this was the response I got:



So, it's a little sad to see it's a ways off, but it's nice to hear they agree it could use some attention.

Originally Posted by JayboH

Sorry I have to disagree - every time I see a blaster join a team I am always reminded about how much crazy damage they pump out.

Originally Posted by Ideon

I still find it hilarious that people are complaining about the upcoming changes.

Summed up, here's how it goes.



Simple, no?

Originally Posted by JayboH

Why not combine the two? Out of combat, it does double/triple damage what they do now.

Originally Posted by JayboH

Yeah the Interfaces were my main focus for the beta since it is my favorite Incarnate ability.

Originally Posted by Death_Adder

The reason why Stalkers didn't get ice melee with Ice armor is just because they didn't have enough time to animate a new assassin strike for the set before the issue went live. Stalkers will get IM, it's just a matter of when. I would think it will be a free proliferation in i22 with staff melee being the pay set. It has been stated that staff melee will be for all 4 melee ats so I think they learned that there will be outrage if a purchase power set is not for all ats that could use it.

Originally Posted by JayboH

Now you just have to add Preemptive Interface to that elec/poison combo for even more fun.

Originally Posted by Siolfir

I'm also amused at the fact that when I checked a couple of things Dominator Ice Storm also has Containment damage (it summons the exact same pet as the Controller version). Which wasn't included. Oops?

What I was checking was whether or not it did full damage on Containment (it doesn't), which means that the 794.1 should be as follows:
(0.78 lethal + 0.78 cold + 0.78 cold-containment) * 75 ticks, or 175.5 "base" damage with containment; at the damage cap for Controllers (400%) that's 702 damage, not 794.1.

For a Dominator it would be the 175.4 "base" damage * (1 + 0.95 slotting + 0.68 embrace of fire) to get to 461.565; with Sleet's -res you multiply that by 1.3 for a total of 600.0345; that's a lot closer than the 499.8 difference in the numbers provided.

I don't feel like figuring out the damage for Creepers because it's an AoE that generates another AoE and so the actual damage dealt fluctuates wildly, but suffice it to say that the difference in damage there will also be much smaller.


Edit: ignoring Creepers (which will slightly benefit the Controller) I came up to 1705.36 for the Controller at the damage cap with Containment using the powers listed, and 1948.96 for the Dominator using Sleet - and that's without counting the Containment damage in the Dominator's Ice Storm. Strange how ignoring slotting a much higher damage modifier and large resistance debuff works out to skew the numbers.

Originally Posted by Siolfir

Talk about skewed results... you damage cap the Controller via Fulcrum Shift and then add in freebie Containment that they don't have to use animation time to set up, and then don't even include the enhancements on the Dominator which would raise their damage by more than just Fiery Embrace, let alone the extra powers that they have available.

I can see why you feel that Controllers are outdamaging Dominators. You skew the math so far in their favor that they're doing more "base damage" than any other AT that exists.

Edit to add: I also noticed that you have Ice Storm but neglected Sleet. Seriously, were you just deliberately trying to make Dominators seem so much weaker? Those numbers are worse than meaningless, they're completely misleading.

Originally Posted by Siolfir

I'd go so far as to change that to "in almost every non-outlier case", but I'm sure someone would then argue because there's no clear definition of what an outlier for each AT entails.

Originally Posted by Commando

Todd,

With fulcrum shift added, the race is over. Roots, creepers, hold, the pet, fireball, fireblast, every dmg dealing tool is exponentially increased, then add containment.

The plant/storm controller which you left out of your response, good sir, has another array of dmg dealing tools. But you know all this, todd. I am a big fan of Dominators, and I love them, really. I just don't let that block my objectivity.