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The Mastermind - master of pet control doesn't get any new pets? No new upgrades? Personally, I feel we feel better if we had a copy of Dominators' (who with most builds will now have two pets) Patron Powers.

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Pretty much my feelings too - I was hoping for (at least) one pet, and one themed upgrade power. I expected a shield, and one "other" power... meh, they could have done much better. At least this makes it easier to decide which set to go for in PvP, I guess.

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and then we get met with 'Nerf Toggle Dropping'.

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Toggle-dropping, as it currently stands, is completely overpowering - to the point where I don't play my En/En Blapper in Zonal PvP anymore because there's little challenge in doing so.

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One of the problems is alot of the pvp builds u want are already established in the sg. For example I have two - a thermal corruptor and a mean [censored] stalker. Now I wouldnt take them out of my sg and I am sure thats the same with others.

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.....we've got far too "streamlined" a membership for that, and we're not going to be jumping ship to any other SGs any time soon.

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keeps all the nimmers in one place

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Is that Knight Walkers' motto?

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does sod all syn, scraps ahving lo base percept anyway doesnt help, this +percept is total cack, does nothing

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It works well enough for me - sure, I might only see them as they move in for AS if it's a decent stalker, but that gives me more than enough time to slap them away before they even bob down into AS. Even if I miss, it either a) scares them off from trying to AS me again or b) doesn't matter anyway as the AS goes *whiff* past my ears - although when it does hit it's usually time to run and retoggle, or die quickly.

TBH, I'm more concerned by Dominators than I am by Stalkers.

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The main reason I picked Mind / TA was that TA was one of the only unexplored secondaries of interest to me. Although now I know how buggy it is I'm not so keen any more. Sonics was the other one I was thinking but I don't like being Mr Buffbot if I can help it (yes I know I've 2 Kinetics chars in their 20s. Ignore that )

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TA isn't that buggy, it just has niggles. /Sonic doesn't synergise fantastically well with Mind - no doubt I sound like a stuck record by now, but Disruption Field doesn't work as well with Mind as the other 'troller primaries, as Mind has no pets on which to drop it, meaning you need to team with melee-focused chars (not necessarily Tanks and Scrappers, but people who don't mind playing their toons right in the faces of mobs) for it to be of any use to you. You also have the cost of Sonic Dispersion to work in alongside what can be a quite endurance intensive primary, depending on how you build Mind.

Then again, Sonic Resonance is an interesting set - and you don't have to take the shields, I know I didn't. (I also have an FF 'troller, also without the ally shields, I'm an awesome team player. ) I did pick up Clarity though, it's a great buff.

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You get more control with /TA than with /Sonic though, so it is easier to keep the mobs in the aoe.

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Maybe, but you're not waiting on a long recharge with DF.

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Mass Hypnosis should work well with Disruption Arrow (or the sonic equivelent) though. Those mobs will be able to kill each other much more quickly.

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Disruption Field is an ally-centred PBAoE, so it wouldn't really work that well with Mind. Also, Mass Hypnosis = AoE Sleep, so enemies wouldn't be killing themselves at all. Do you mean Mass Confusion?

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Make sure you use QS on it.

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Took the words right off my keyboard.

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Make sure you use QS on it.

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Took the words right off my keyboard.

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A random day in the first week after I7 went life...

/b chat:
lvl2 elec/elec brute LFT!!
lvl3 elec/elec brute want party!!11
lvl5 EM/elec brute lft!!!
New SG: house of the Electric Brutes!
lvl4 elec brute party!!
lvl3 anyone need elec brute in party?
lvl4 ice/ice corrupter lft!
[censored], elec brute only chat!!!111~~

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Don't forget:

LEVL 6 THUG MM NEEDS A SG
LEVL 6 THUG MM NEEDS A SG
LEVL 6 THUG MM NEEDS A SG
LEVL 6 THUG MM NEEDS A SG... etcetera.

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Trollers who are pure PvP skip AoE holds.

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I generally skip them anyway, but that's just me. The Earth AoE hold might be the exception to the rule for PvP, given how it works.

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The thing with Illusion is the temp damage from Spec Wounds and PA benefits from the resistance debuffs, and if you can kill the mobs fast enough it doesn't matter if it heals back.

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You're preaching to the choir PRAF, I already know all about res debuffs working well with Illusion, I rolled an Ill/Sonic shortly after the new sets were released - Phantom Army + Disruption Field + Sonic Siphon works a treat. The thing is, it's just not reliable damage.

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Mind/TA will be heavy on controll, but a bit light on damage.

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Not with all that containment flying about. Mesmerize, Levitate, Terrify can all be slotted for damage for great results - it'd be a more damaging build than Ill/TA by furlongs.

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Oil Slick Arrow neads fire or energy damage to ignite, which I don't think mind can provide.

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But there's always the Fire Epic.

Cybercel has a Mind/TA, which I've had the pleasure of seeing in action - it looks like a fun build, I'll poke her in this direction to see if she can shed any light on it for you.

Plus, SR has +perception in Focused Senses - so Stalkers don't get away that easily either.

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Personally I love fighting against stalkers in Sirens - it's actually the reason I've started to play more PvP with my Claws/SR scrapper. Nothing beats the feeling of stalkers repeatedly missing with assassin strikes, and then knocking them on their [censored] with Focus. Plus, Stalkers are one of the few things Claws can actually kill quickly without having to be buffed to high heaven. \o/

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Fixed to reflect personal experience.

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I haven't gotten Inertial Reduction yet with my troller though, it comes at 26 I think? Something like that, a bit far away.

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I believe it's 28, at least that's when I have it pencilled in for my 'troller.

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This I don't really get... unless you take fly all the other travel powers take a fair amount of interaction to get you from A-B. It's just one extra click in a long line of clicks

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IIRC, IR has a 60-second timer - that's usually more than long enough to get where you're going, or at the very least, to get to the next map. Like Psygon, I don't really see the problem.

OT - BTW Psygon, both Cybercel and I are most amused by the naming of your Storm/Elec.

Already gave CW my congratulations last night when I noticed him playing his new Warshade, but I'll echo them here - well done!

Now, when are you going to hurry up and level Gamma so that he and Gonzo can square up for a grudge match in the arena?

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TBH, it's annoying having to use it on enemies, it'sa waste of slots to slot with accuracy, and it should be used as a DeBuff for PvP and a Buff for PvE.

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If you want to use it in either PvP or PvE you're going to have to slot it for accuracy anyway, so I'm not quite sure what the hell you're trying to say here, other than it not making any sense whatsoever.

OP: Siphon Speed will do fine as a travel power until you can pick up Inertial Reduction at 18, or any point after that. (I use Siphon Speed as my only travel power on my Corruptor, and she's level 32.)

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You can make /Dark controllers,

I don't think any of the Defender primaries are unique - they're all also controller secondaries (Unless I've missed something obvious).

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You can NOT make a controller with Dark Miasma, all other sets you can use though. Dark miasma is pretty much only defender I'd consider rolling nowdays... :/ Well, storm too.

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Dark/Psi is a fun build to play - although I'd be Statesman's best buddy if he let me play a Mind/Dark 'troller.

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One of the problems is alot of the pvp builds u want are already established in the sg. For example I have two - a thermal corruptor and a mean [censored] stalker. Now I wouldnt take them out of my sg and I am sure thats the same with others.

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Pretty much - all my villains on Union (MM, Brute, 2 Corrs) are firmly ensconced within LoUD, and I don't have any spare slots to make any other toons. You'll probably have run across our members out in the PvP Zones at one time or another - Grim Rainbow, Aphotica, Bilharzia, Charger Charley, GenericVillain001, Awn, Antithetix, Becquerel, Tough Guts the Troll, Ice Blight, Lao, Kyndel... (either that, or we might be on our heroic alts on the rare occasions there happens to be an imbalance in favour of the villains). We're not, however, and probably will never be a "raiding" SG - we've got far too "streamlined" a membership for that, and we're not going to be jumping ship to any other SGs any time soon.

What Cynic said - I picked up both BU and FE (in that order), and my main use for them is as a quick self-buff before battle when Fury is zeroed. Occasionally, I'll hit them before some bosses and AVs in the middle of battle - nothing quite like 2-3 shotting a +2 Boss.

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Jump kick? *shudders*

Just...don't...

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Oh, you boring bunch of [censored]s.

If you can deal with the animations, Jump Kick is great. I usually go with CJ, but Jump Kick is always good for a bit of fun - just don't expect uber damage.

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I have just made a plant/ice dominator and wondered if anyone else had tried it

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I have a Plant/Ice on Defiant, not got her past level 10 yet though so I can't offer any real advice - I've focused on the melee attacks from Ice so far though, which seems to work well.

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i seem to cope fine with it

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Give yourself a cookie and go to the top of the class then.

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Think FoN can only be got around 45, Tier 9 powers are at 32 and you need one of the earlier powers before you get FoN.

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FoN can only be picked up at 47 at the earliest - you need two powers from the Epic at 41 and 44 beforehand. (And the Tier 9 power from your secondary only comes at 38.)