Supermax

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I basically just switch between Human and Nova forms while fighting if I can (a cpl of Doms hold me like theres no tomorrow) and it works ok.

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Sounds like slotting the +perc IO in tactics still gives you the effect in nova form, huh. Good to know.

No problem, blaze. I hate running too, and pre-I13, running arguably was a problem, and was too easy. It was pretty easy to get away from pretty much any fight...all you had to do was want it, and you could avoid almost any fight.

Which is why the PvP community suggested things like suppression for melee attacks on melee AT's. It would have made melee more useful, without giving yet another advantage to ranged classes. Instead, they completely ignored that advice, and just added suppression to absolutely everything in the game. So now melee is still laughable compared to range....AND the game is crap compared to before.

But at least the devs are happy, right? Who cares what the actual customers think?

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why not sit and fight, i mean thats what pvp is.

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Others have pretty much covered it, but I'll just give a quick analogy.

When you have 2 boxers fighting in the ring, they don't just stand there like idiots, punching each other in the face. They move around and try to not get punched. If one lands a good punch, the other guy tries to back off and recover. He doesn't just keep standing there, waiting for his opponent to land another shot that will knock him out.

It's a pretty simple PvP concept. People with skill can use better tactics to give themselves a tactical advantage. I13 was designed to take this away.

Defense was made almost useless again...and Fort damage was nerfed a lot.

Basically they went from the best AT in the game to useless. Pretty standard change for this game.

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Sit tight though, this could take an hour or so.

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hahahaha

I agree. But I still think there's no suppression on BU. The one on insps is definitely there...it's very noticeable. But when I use BU in midair or something, I don't seem to drop out of midair, like with suppression.

And yes, that is exactly what the devs wanted. Any time anybody gets attacked by anybody else, they want at least one person to die. That's why they did everything possible to make sure nobody can get away from any fight.

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Couple comments on mac's post.

1. BU doesn't cause suppression. At least I never noticed it. But firey embrace does, for no explicable reason.

2. It's not just the hold proc that's bugged. It's ALL mez procs. I have a stun proc in my snipe that has a 8 sec stun on it. Basically those procs were so seldom used in PvP, they probably simply forgot they existed, and never bothered adding the I13 mez code to them. I see no possible chance of it being intended. A proc that lasts twice as long as a troller/dom's primary hold? LOL!

Hey jersean, I actually have a question. From what I've seen, your PB does seem to have +perception in nova form. What do you have? The +perc IO? Is it actually slotted in the nova form or what?

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let's hope devs don't see it....

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Pretty sure that's why it was posted in the PvP forum. To make 100% sure that no dev has any possible way of seeing it.

Get it?

No. That's mostly why PB's are better now, because VEATS were made into complete jokes. So it's a waste of time to builds a VEAT killer. They don't really exist anymore. There's no reason to play a totally gimped toon, so people are back to just playing stalkers.

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Knowing now what they don't listen to, what's left? Where do we go from here?

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Don't take this joke of a game too seriously, because trying to actually be competitive in a game clearly designed to deter competition is.....well...just silly. What's left is to just mess around in zones and pwn nubs. Ironically, I came to this realization over a year ago, when PvP in this game was a far lesser joke than now.

Yep, burst is all PvP is about for the most part, unless you're a lol, fight clubber.

Another problem with the strike power (just like claws), is the tohit. BU gives a significant tohit boost, so you can hit defense builds. But with the strike, if you can't land it to start your attack chain, not only are you doing less damage than expected, you're also likely to miss your next attacks as well. Basically BU is guaranteed, while the others are not, and that gives other sets a big advantage over DB and clawls. At least DB's damage is noticeable. Claws damage is just.....bad.

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it basically boiled down to

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Robo, that is actually totally wrong now. I13 made PB's pretty damn good. With I14, they are actually better than VEATS. As you know, they were always basically unkillable in the hands of a good player. Now they also have blaster level damage. You can 3-4 shot squishies from nova form.

Ah, I see

Procs are IO's that have a % chance of doing something every time the power is used. Specifically they meant damage procs.

DB is pretty horrible. It does have one really good attack...the thousand cuts or whatever. But it has no BU, which is a huge deal, and the BU power it has just doesn't cut it.

But at least you're better off than claws. I have a claws/regen I used to play regularly. Haven't touched him ONCE since I13, where he was made into an even bigger joke than ever before.

Fire is ok if you already have one. You can make it work. But if you're making a new blaster, definitely make sonic.

lol mac you have a DM/SR? Do you actually use him? I just respecced mine back to PvE, because of how ridiculously useless he was made by I14.

Boost range.

As far as powers, this is what I'd do.

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/

[u]Click this DataLink to open the build![u]

Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Ice Armor
Secondary Power Set: Energy Melee
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Hoarfrost -- Empty(A), Empty(3), Empty(3), Empty(5), Empty(5), Empty(7)
Level 1: Barrage -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Chilling Embrace -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Bone Smasher -- Empty(A), Empty(7), Empty(9), Empty(9), Empty(11), Empty(11)
Level 6: Wet Ice -- Empty(A)
Level 8: Frozen Armor -- Empty(A), Empty(13), Empty(13), Empty(15)
Level 10: Combat Jumping -- Empty(A)
Level 12: Permafrost -- Empty(A), Empty(19), Empty(19)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Empty(A), Empty(15), Empty(17), Empty(17)
Level 16: Hurdle -- Empty(A), Empty(50)
Level 18: Health -- Empty(A), Empty(50), Empty(50)
Level 20: Stamina -- Empty(A), Empty(21), Empty(21)
Level 22: Hasten -- Empty(A), Empty(23), Empty(23)
Level 24: Glacial Armor -- Empty(A), Empty(25), Empty(25), Empty(27)
Level 26: Super Speed -- Empty(A), Empty(27), Empty(29)
Level 28: Build Up -- Empty(A), Empty(29), Empty(31), Empty(31), Empty(31), Empty(33)
Level 30: Energy Absorption -- Empty(A), Empty(33), Empty(33), Empty(34), Empty(34), Empty(34)
Level 32: Hibernate -- Empty(A), Empty(36), Empty(36), Empty(42), Empty(42), Empty(42)
Level 35: Energy Transfer -- Empty(A), Empty(36), Empty(37), Empty(37), Empty(37), Empty(39)
Level 38: Total Focus -- Empty(A), Empty(39), Empty(39), Empty(40), Empty(40), Empty(40)
Level 41: Focused Accuracy -- Empty(A), Empty(43), Empty(43), Empty(43), Empty(45), Empty(45)
Level 44: Laser Beam Eyes -- Empty(A), Empty(45), Empty(46), Empty(46), Empty(46), Empty(48)
Level 47: Taunt -- Empty(A), Empty(48), Empty(48)
Level 49: Conserve Power -- Empty(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet

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umm can i hold ur shoes? cus ur the boss and im the person who crys and i need to go home on sick leave so can u let me go on plz?

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Well, since you put it that way, the answer is yes. Not sure what the question is, but that doesn't really matter.

It's not really a big deal. But for every one person like you that has honest questions, there are about 10 trolls that just start the same types of threads, looking to start flame wars. They ruin it for everybody.

Really? Damn.

I am the biggest PvE noob in the game at this point. I still don't even know how to get into Cimemora haha. But I guess I'll have to check out the AE thing, if the XP is really that fast.

Hehe nice. He's talked a bunch of trash to me as well.

lol goat, I think I spammed a couple impales at you recently.

Btw, lol at the 1 star above his head. That's exactly what I do with players I don't like

Yes. The extra 0.001% tohit is also game-changing. No wonder they spent time adding this code.