Supermax

That's true, but regen still has the most survivability out of all the sets. So it depends on what you're looking for.

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frankly am enjoying zones but find Test PvP to be a chore.

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Sounds like you are slowly learning the ultimate path of the CoH PvP'er

Look me up if you're ever in sirens call. @Supermax

Pretty sure I've spent more time in sirens than any player on Freedom hehe....so if you have any questions, I can help.

Pretty much. Doms are basically blasters in post-I13 PvP. So the set with the most damage is the best, just like blasters.

At sirens call level, I'd put mind way ahead of fire though. But with the imps out, fire is capable is a lot more damage.

It shows as more damage than havok punch in mids...It's only slightly less than lightning rod. Is that wrong?

Whoever told you that you don't need SS and SJ is clueless. Without SS, all it takes is ONE web grenade or anything similar, and unless you phase, you're dead 100% of the time.

Of course it can be done....I played my spines stalker for like 2 years in sirens without SS. But it's tough. Pretty much any device blaster or TA anything can completely ruin your day. While if you have SS, they're nothing more than an annoyance.

Lastly, the reason you don't need FH is because regen stalkers aren't really about +regen. +regen is really only useful if you're going to have extended fights, which stalkers don't do. Most of the time, you'll be safely in hide, and it won't make any difference whether you regen to full health in 30 seconds or 40 seconds. Keep in mind, stalkers get a lot less benefit from FH than scrappers in the first place, since they have a lot less HP.

The best thing about rad is that it can be procced a lot. Lots of options.

Definitely need super speed. Don't need fast healing. I'd probably replace FH with jacob's ladder or something. That way you still have an extra attack and don't need lightning rod.

Exactly. For example, before, I could routinely jump into a group of 10 heroes on my stalker, get a kill, and then evade. Now I can do the same thing...but I have to phase to get away lol.

You're right. Zone PvP is pretty random. He could get lucky and happen to be there when his side is dominating, and then it will seem pretty fun. He'll get some kills and likely won't die at all, so he'll become a fan of PvP.

On the other hand, if his side is being camped in the hosp, and he's one of like 3 total people on his side, while the other side has 15 in the zone.....he will think PvP is the lamest thing he's ever seen in the game, and never come back to it.

But the best thing is to just take what you see with a grain of salt. Sides are very often uneven in PvP zones, so you should reserve judgement until you can experience a good, even battle.

The reason I suggested zones is because it's so much easier to just jump in and try PvP.

Well, you could just take our word for it. We seem to know what we're talking about

Rei, a person that's never tried PvP a single time is very unlikely to have any friends that are into PvP. Also the community is so jaded right now, chances are, most people wouldn't offer any help to a noob. So arena might not be the best option.

I'd suggest to just check out a PvP zone. Should definitely try to get on a team though. It makes zone PvP about 50 times easier.

I've played a PB in PvP for about 4 years. It was kind of a joke toon before, but I13 made them very good.

Divine is right that it wouldn't really fit in a 2v2, but about 99% of the builds in the game are in that boat. 2v2's are pretty limited in what you can bring to maximize your effectiveness.

But in general PvP, a PB is capable of blaster level damage, combined with about 10 times the survivability of a blaster. If you're on a team full of defenders or tankers, the damage can get to really insane levels.

I've avoided arena for a while, because I just got burned out on the whole practice thing. This was around when Lions Den was still around.

Anyway, I have to chime in and say that the arena system now is just a total joke, and I don't honestly think anything great can be expected from the community with a broken system like that. I mean come on...it is literally broken. You have parts from one type of PvP combined with parts from a completely redesigned PvP. They don't mesh at all.

I watched my friend do a 1v1 recently, and it was just laughable how pathetic it was. Psy/EM blaster vs fire/EM blaster. With the absurd caps, the fire/EM literally never got my friend below 90% HP. This is a blaster, the higher damage AT in the game!!! My friend was clearly the better player, so he did get like 3 kills, but each one took FOREVER. The other guy didn't have phase or anything, so that wasn't the issue. It was just mashing buttons for like 3 mins straight, until the person died.

God, what a joke. I'm sorry, but the ladder cannot be taken seriously with the current system. Either it has to be done with full I13 rules, or there has to be an option to do 100% I12 rules. The in-between crap now just doesn't cut it.

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its either that or a PB, a stalker, or ice kin corr. All gimped cept the stalker.

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PB's are good.

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It's far more effective to confuse the MM, though, because then all his pets will turn on him.

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Question. Back in the day, they only turned on the MM if they were in aggressive mode. If the MM was in BG, they just sat there if they got confused. Is this not the case anymore? They attack the MM even if in BG mode?

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I disagree completely.


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As a general rule, when you're in a group of, say 100 people, and 99 of the people say one thing while you say the exact opposite, in most cases, you are the one that's crazy. Not the 99 others.

Maybe what you say can fly in PvP zones, where most people are clueless, but on the forums people are actually knowledgeable about the game. Saying things that are the exact opposite of the truth isn't gonna win anybody over. That's right, not even if you make 10 posts in a row.

Well spines only has impale + AS. The rest is total trash. That's just kind of the theme for stalkers. And generally, it's all a good stalker needs anyway. EM is kinda the only exception, with 2 big hitters other than AS.

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And as for Hereos getting Stalkers....this could turn into a nightmare for zone pvpers.....everyone will be on a stalker...and no body will be able to see anybody. So yea...

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You're forgetting the theme of the game. Hero stalkers will have twice the stealth cap of vil stalkers, and will also have twice the perception radius. That will balance things

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I would strip down my Widow, but I just don't give a [censored] anymore.

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lol same here. I generally just play with SO's, but in mid-I13 my quitting friend gave me a bunch of inf, and I spent it all on my Fort. Since you know...it was the best toon in the game. I understood that elusivity would be nerfed, but there's no way that the entire toon would be made into a joke, right?

Haha. The one time I spend money IO'ing a toon, it's made useless.

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i cant get away. i dont know if there are ways around this

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Phase. I13 is the reason why phase became so popular. Sure, all the top players had been using it for years, but after I13 almost everybody got it. I went from having a couple toons with phase, to almost every single one having it.

I predicted it before I13 ever went live. It was pretty obvious what was going to happen. When you take away ALL possibility of skilled evasion, all that's left is to phase. Especially in zones, where getting ganked 10v1 is pretty routine.

Well, by "design" I meant actually just programming stuff into the game. Not design as in creatively coming up with ideas to improve the game or anything like that. God forbid...we don't do that [censored] in CoH.

I don't see any reason to play EM right now, with how good elec is. TS is overpowered almost to the point of being a bug. Who knows...maybe it is. From what I've seen, it's basically a second AS. When it crits, it's so much more damage than energy transfer, it's not even funny.

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what happened to it?

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Defenders lost their unresisted debuffs, which was their single advantage over corrs. There's really no reason to play a defender now, since a corr can do basically the same thing with a lot more damage.

lol. Well don't worry, I hate warburg too.

You realize this has been possible for like 3 years, right?

In warburg.