StratoNexus

Procs in toggles only check every 10 seconds, procs in clicks check every time they are clicked.

Once you have enough Acc to hit the enemies you choose to face, and your damage is ED capped (or very close), and you have enough recharge to run your chain of choice, procs are an excellent way to get even more damage.

Think about a proc in Gambler's Cut on a high end Katana build. Your attack chain is going to be GC GD GC SD. So about every 2 seconds there is a chance for that proc to fire.

Jolting Chain, IME, does a very nice job as an alpha disruptor when you are on a team that kills quickly and it recharges quickly.

No, no. You missed something very important.

"Blaster's have an identity, and it's the same as it's always been: damage till someone drops."

Someone, not always the enemy. The fact that blasters die "too much", is part of their charm. The very fact that they are "dwarfed by the company they keep" must be an element of their design and one that is probably pretty entertaining to a lot of people.

If you want to tank team sized spawns at +2 solo, the blaster AT may not be your cup of tea. If you want to rely on others and work in a team to make dead things and know that if you or an ally messes up, it can go south real fast, then you might be a blaster.

The mix of ranged damage and melee damage is pretty cool too.

I do not remember this when I ran on Unyielding. The spawn sizes would vary independently of the level. I could get a nice pack of enemies at +1 or +2 and other times the enemies would be smaller groups but still +1 or +2.

I prefer the staggering myself, but I can understand your desire.

You should say where you came up with that premise, since it seems out of line with reality and therefore may totally invalidate everything else you post afterwards. It also seems you are not including any type of to-hit in your numbers. I am not trying to be rude, but as far as I can tell, your numbers are meaningless and your assumptions are poor. Your in game experiences do not seem to match my own if you believe Fiery and Electric are better off than Regen when it comes to mitigation and if you feel Regen is more dependent on more stable recharge than either of those sets.

I don't feel insulted, I just disagree with a large portion of what you type. I disagree so much, I don't see a point of common ground to start from. I am glad you are trying to find that common ground, but so far I still think you are very mistaken in a lot of your beliefs.

Pffft. That's cheating! (but sounds like fun too, I have a stalker, I can snipe-pull the patrons, woo hoo!)

I am not going to refute your post point by point. You say a great many things I disagree with. You overvalue the resists in Fiery and Electric. You undervalue the regen in FH and Integration. You want to approach the discussion as if all 4 of regen's clicks are not recharged frequently (trying to setup the worst case scenario as the commonplace is not a good place for an honest discussion). You fail to see that offensive mitigation is more necessary for Fiery and Electric, especially past the first 10-15 seconds. You fail to grasp how regen on a stalker is significantly more dependent on the primary powers as well as the secondary clicks. You even attempt to underplay the lowbie experience for regen while setting up a make-believe scenario to make WP feel better in unicorn and rainbow land (If I got Wormhole at level 12 on my Grav contoller, I think it'd be pretty excellent early game too).

I do not believe we could be further apart in our understanding of the game or our experiences. I rarely just up and try not to explain or convince, but our foundations appear so different, I cannot begin to fathom how to approach disputing you. Both our posts are here and I believe you understand me and I believe I understand you. I leave it up to the reader to determine which experience more closely matches their own and from there they can ponder the topic themselves.

Simply comparing the number of click powers in the secondary is not the whole story (and I know you have to know that), especially when you can demonstrate that regen's greater number of clicks is actually an advantage vs. recharge debuffs. If Electric armor needs to heal, but Energize is not recharged, they have to fall back on the tier 9 (which is not always the best thing when you are low on health to start, IME). If regen needs to heal but Recon is not recharged, they can fall back on DP or MoG and MoG especially can be a big help vs. debuffs. Fiery has RotP, which certainly beats out Revive (by a large margin), but both can be useful when facing heavy debuffs (I use RotP a lot to help shed DRMs nasty debuff). It is also of note that 2 of regen's clicks are powers with longish durations. That simple fact actually makes those powers more functional in a case where you are recharge debuffed, simply because you do not need to use them again soon, because they are still giving you (in DPs case, most of) their benefit.

Those two facts are especially true when we only consider what you want to call meaningful time frames. The greater number of clicks and the duration of two of those clicks are a huge advantage vs. recharge debuffs in smaller time frames. The very type of scenario you want to diminish in meaning, long-time survivability, is actually where recharge debuffs would hurt a regen the most (but still less than Fire and Electric, IMO).

Fire and Electric armor are both more dependent on their primary over the entire course of a fight (and mission) in order to live. If a regen does well at the beginning of a fight, they are likely to survive, even if they have slow recharging attacks. Both Fire and Electric are usually going to be in more danger after eliminating some of the enemy than a regen. Looking past singular fights, regeneration is usually going to be much better prepared to leap from fight A to fight B, and recharge debuffs are more likely to hurt Fire or Electric even in that scenario.

You really jump the shark when you start proclaiming that you feel Fire and Electric are superior when you "just look at the numbers." In my play experience, both WP and SD are far easier to get killed than regen before IOs. I'll grant that with IOs both can be made to exceed regen in many, and maybe even most, gameplay scenarios. I also believe that regen's early game "smooth ride" advantage lasts at least until 30 (although Fiery, SD, and DA are also nicely rounded from 21 to 30).

I'd say Electric and Fire are more negatively affected by -recharge than Regen, with Fire being the one that is most negatively impacted. Regen would probably be next, although a case could be made for DA.

Does it need to be so awesome? What if its just plain good? If it is good to very good, does it still need to have added protections? What if it is performing just fine in the game? All other sets get x, so regen should have x too? That is not compelling.

One shot code prevents death. I am capped on HPs, resists, and defense thanks to my teammates (or inspires/accolades depending on team make-up). Never did it without someone who can heal, although we have done it without empathy a few times. We have done one without FF, but that is not preferable. In the many 7 defender - 1 blaster STFs we have run, I have died twice against Lord Recluse and there have been a few defender deaths (more from the combination of a Recluse AoE, the flyer, and all the spawns that ambush you as you take the towers down). We always run it as a master, but have only succeeded twice (of course we don't really try to succeed, instead we go as fast as we can on +2). Our best time is 54 minutes, the most trouble is the vine room.

I tank him with a blaster, preferably. My blaster is resist/regen based for mitigation. However, I know it is the 75% plus defense I sport when tanking him that keeps me alive more than the resistance. Kill the blue tower first (not only will that make it so you only need 45% D to cap, he will also attack dramatically slower). 75% resistance (the scrapper cap) is modestly helpful, but if that is all you got, LR is going to kill you quickly and repeatedly. 90% on tankers (and now brutes) is noticeable but still not enough on its own, you are way better off stacking that with 75% plus defense (and/or healing, of course, but that is not available in high quantities on an all scrapper run).

When tanking LR it is good having an auto-hit aura with a debuff. That narrows it down to willpower and shields (Edit: although with APPs, I have been wondering if Caltrops would work, but I have not tested that yet) . I think a well built WP with their Confront power could do admirably. A well built Shields user does not need their confront power and I have never seen an unsupported scrapper that is better at tanking LR than a Shield.

Dying 121 times is hilarity and great fun all around. It is fine that you prefer not to. Bring tougher scrappers and play "smarter". As for me, I am more than merry to die, die again.

Stick together? Bah! Sticking together is boring.

121 deaths was a bit light, but we went a bit slower than desired since some people had never done it before.
Massive rooms and outdoor maps of 52 and 53 Arachnos all aggroed because we split up, so much good.

It seems entirely plausible that the reason no debuff protection has been added is because the set is not underperforming relative to the other armors. Why buff a set that is operating well and likely is still near the top of datamined performance? For the vast majority of gameplay, Regeneration is an excellent set, even though it "suffers more" from debuffs.

I am taking both and would recommend both. I'd skip one of the single target attacks. I skipped Body Blow, personally, although I think skipping Quick Strike is the better move from a performance angle.

I have taken Focused Burst for now, but in the long run I may end up dropping that and picking up Body Blow. The range aspect is nice, but I don't particularly feel the need for it and Body Blow is a better attack by a significant margin, IMO.

This is one of those statements that sounds really good to make and while you can show some numbers that demonstrate the taunt effect of the aura being weaker, in actual play, there is no way a Willpower tanker is an order of magnitude worse than any other tanker at being a meatshield/aggro magnet.

In the end, it is a nonsense statement.

A Willpower tanker can hold aggro very near as well as every other tanker. In some (extremely rare and specific) cases it is even better than some tankers thanks to the aura being auto-hit and having a debuff. Your experiences do not match my own with the set.

You only need to gain XP once if that is what you are asking. You do however get to choose powers for both builds separately.

Heh, I guess I was just thinking of how the extra mez works. Thank you for the correction.

HoB starts dealing damage as soon as you push the button and has finished dealing that damage about 4 seconds later. Rain of Arrows doesn't start dealing damage until 4 seconds after you push the button and doesn't finish until about 6 seconds.

But Rain of Arrow's range and the fact that it is a drop can be advantageous, of course.