StratoNexus

You have as much fun teamed or solo. What if you almost never teamed? Do you think the soloing would still be as fun to you without the regular teaming interludes? On that same character that you mostly soloed all the way to 50? The one who has already soloed almost all (or maybe even all) the story contacts? Still having fun solo now? Of course, you cannot answer that question, because you enjoy teaming too.

The Lore buff pets that have the immunity should not be affected by splash damage, they are not just immune to being targeted, they are unaffectable (if you drop an AoE buff, that won't hit them either). The turrets may have the same type of ability that Hami has to hit unaffectable things.

Because I don't want my main server to learn to play your way. I want my disdain for this to be known and I want to try to show the simple lack of teamwork it demonstrates. Avoiding the effect is easy, too easy not to attempt IMO. Therefore I want to ridicule the notion (not you, but the notion that one should just ignore sequestration).

And in case the above tl;dr version doesn't convey my true feelings on the subject: I present wall of text (because I really do feel this strongly about the subject ).

You're right my mistake. You'd rather not mash any buttons and instead take a break. I am sorry if you take it as an insult when I call it button mashing, but you continue to attack instead of backing off and that is button mashing. I mash buttons on a lot of characters, especially during an AV fight. What else am I going to do normally? Mashing buttons is what we have been doing during AV fights for years.

The pride and arrogance in those statements is dripping off the letters. You don't have to specifically say its pride, your words say it for you. Plus, what other reason do you have to stay in melee other than how important you personally are to the success of tanking and damaging the AV? It is pride and a lack of faith in your league-mates.

I love tankers, especially ones that keep enemy effects from hitting me instead of those who just don't care because the buff/debuff toons will just remedy the negative repurcussions for me. If I am going to rely on buff/debuff toons to keep me safe anyway, then I am not going to bother bringing a tanker since a tanker's main function is to keep enemy effects off me. If the tanker chooses not to do that, I might as well just bring another buff/debuff character to remedy the problem instead.

I expect the guy in the fireproof suit to have made the guy with the flamethrower point it in a direction away from me (and I expect that I will do my best to assist the guy in the fireproof suit by remaining in a smart position too).

I usually stop taunting about 6 seconds after I get my first warning, unless I really need to keep the aggro off another armored character for longer. Aggro management is about using your powers wisely and about sharing aggro wisely. It is not about keeping all the aggro all the time. If I think I am going to have the AV aggro for a long time after I jump out, I will try to move in a direction so that the AV is body blocked and cannot follow. Sometimes I will jump around the league in wide circles. Most times I can go help with the adds because one of the other armored toons will get aggro quickly enough. If I do see my league cannot get the aggro off me, I postion myself away from others so that when sequestering happens, just one guy gets hit, me.

Teaching the other armored toons you play with that they may as well not even bother trying to balance the aggro with you is also not good teamwork and in essence is showing that you don't trust others to take aggro too.

The trials are not so hard that you cannot complete them by simply using a hammer. That doesn't make a hammer a screwdriver. The tactic of not moving for sequestration is bad. At the least you should bounce out so only you get held. Will it cause a trial to fail if you just don't care about sequestration? Doubtful. I have seen sequestration blow Strong and Pretty runs a few times though. But even still, it is not a big deal in the overall success of the trial. It may be annoying to some of your league-mates, but they are not likely to bother speaking up about it after a successful trial anyway.

Indeed, I have already conceded that most leagues can just muscle through. That still doesn't mean it is a good strategy, it simply means the trials are easy enough to get by despite suffering a drawback or three. It is not retreat to move. You either shake aggro and eliminate an enemy attack or you direct that attack so it only hits you. That is tanking.

My tankers have 6 slotted Taunt and Nerve. I have to be really careful about how I taunt, because that can make it difficult for others to get the aggro off me. But it requires me to adjust and I make that adjustment. Trusting the other armored toons in my league comes easy for me and I know how to do my best to make sure I do not make taking the aggro off me too hard for them.

Heck no. The trials are too easy to be that elitist. If I get mezzed, I get mezzed. I'll know now that when I see that 2nd sequestered warning that I cannot rely on you to handle the situation and instead I will have to back off with my non-taunting melee toons. I will likely attempt to grab the aggro off you with any taunters I have and may get mezzed for the attempt. Like you said, the rest of your normal group has already made the adjustment to the bad tactic, it's not like I am incapable of changing my strategy to suit your choice.

However, if you join any leagues I run, I would appreciate it if you backed off after a 2nd warning under normal circumstances.

Indeed. In the specific case of sequestration, you choose to tank poorly. That is what you started this very thread to say. You will choose to allow this negative enemy effect to hit your teammates even though there are simple ways to avoid that situation. That is the definition of poor tanking. The fact that you may be a great tank everywhere else is irrelevant to this specific situation where YOU are the one saying, you do not care to manage the aggro.

Well, it likely dents the DPS a bit and even you admit it may get someone killed now and again. It is probably annoying to those who would prefer not to get mezzed (most people) and especially anyone with a toggle that gets shutdown, Hot Feet, Blazing Aura, Lightning Field, Rise to the Challenge, etc. But a big dent to the overall result of a trial? Oh noes, it took 45 seconds longer to win!

It would be interesting to see how many blasters truly do better damage than scrappers. It is not self-evident as you seem to think.

And that doesn't even take into consideration the extra time most blasters will need to take in order to survive (things like juking or mezzing).

Gauntlet is not auto-hit vs. AVs, even in auto-hit taunt auras. The Taunt power is auto-hit and the effect is also auto-hit from that power vs. critters. So no senility, the Taunt power is the exception to the rule.

Hmmm. I know when I am not playing near the AV fight I can hear the sound loud and clear, but not so much when I am in the midst of the AV battle.

So you can try to rotate who gets shot by the guns... Hmmm. The guns usually kill faster than most people can react, but I can try to tell people to hide if they get targeted by a gun. I am concerned about how Nightstar will react if the tanker who currently has aggro starts getting basted. Can't let her move around much. I find it hard to believe all of these people runnning these all badge all the time BAFs actually have people constantly hopping away from the AV battles in order to tuck into the hiding spots and then when the guns start shooting someone else they pop back out and someone else runs into the hiding spot. Is that what people are doing?

I will be trying the ducking and hiding method a little bit over the next few days and will let you know how it works for me. Any other methods people are using to avoid/survive the withering turret fire while fighting Nightstar at her spawn point?

Indeed. That is my biggest joy and likely my biggest gripe. I definitely was hoping for something that was not just more of the same and I think the trials have delivered. I am very pleased with them. However, I did not want all of the Incarnate based progression to be tied solely (or almost solely, if we account for shard conversion) to the new trials.

I understand that the system is just that. Incarnate abilities, incarnate salvage, and incarnate trials are linked in the devs design guide. I think they need to unlink them (or more appropriately link more into the system). While I totally agree that in the short term (4 to 6 weeks from I20 launch) they are likely best to remain linked, I think that quickly they need to bring online an implementation for linking some of the older content into the system

If they could create content faster, I would not mind having new advancement totally in the realm of new content. Since they cannot, I would like them to not abandon the variety of content they have. I am pretty hardcore. The new trials have pleased me greatly, while in the past I have been turned off of all the big team content (CoP, Hami, and Rikti MSR are all unappealing to me). I am surprised at how well I enjoy playing this content as often as I have been playing it (I usually get bored much faster than this). All of that says to me the new trials are full of win (the variety of tasks within each trial is likely what works for me personally).

Still, I know I will soon grow weary. But I will regret that weariness because I will be lacking reasonable methods of advancement anywhere else. I want to run the trials. I also want to run other high end content and get something Incarnatey for it. I truly hope it can happen and happen sooner, rather than later.

Try a Fire/Shield scrapper or brute. SS/FA brute. Shield/Elec tanker. Among many, many others. Your lack of awareness does not make these sets non-existent.

Indeed, that is normally what I do as well.

Sure, you can have one, generally lower DPS character move or you can force a bunch of the rest of the league to move (or you can choose to just have a bunch of peeps get held because it barely matters). I also get my *** out of dodge if I notice a person has 2 warnings and either miss it or don't care. This works much better for rangers than it does for those who want to be in melee and those who can survive in melee. Why screw over the other melee toons in your league just to avoid pressing wasd?

Bash who? He posted his opinion on a public forum. He should and likely does expect discussion and/or debate. I have already agreed that most leagues can simply muscle through bad tactics (see my signature for a general agreement on the principle). I simply don't agree that we should employ those bad tactics in general. I also do not agree that using those bad tactics exemplifies tanking to be proud of. It doesn't mean WEI tanks poorly in general, it just means that in this case he doesn't care to tank for the team, instead being fine letting them feel the full brunt of the enemy effect, because the effect doesn't usually put a big dent in trial progress.

I'd rather pull that effect away from the team or avoid it altogether. In other words: Sequestration? I do care.

Should be? IIRC?

I have stood in between the Barracks on the Nightstar side and been shot by 2 turrets. Once I die, more and more people on the team start getting shot by the turrets. They die and still others get shot.

What corners? I have been repeatedly shot standing in between the barracks, up against the walls of the barracks, in front of the barracks, on the side of the barracks, behind the barracks. Even if I am not getting shot, other people in my league are. How do I get 10-12 people in a safe spot while still fighting Nightstar AND while not moving her from her spawn point?

When you do this do people die a lot? Are you using a healing bubble? I have tried positioning and using the buildings, that has always failed, people are still getting obliterated by the turrets. However, I have not stuck it out after 6 or so deaths. Maybe the turrets get bored after a bit?

Hmmmm. That sees to match my experience, but this may be a heavy perception bias on my part.

On a different subject, my Demon/Storm MM, Pet primary with lots of pets in the secondary has done OK. I have seen the common table a lot more frequently than I have on other characters, but I have gotten 2 rare drops (and the rare from a MoBAF) and have been able to craft tier 3 Barrier, Lore, and Interface and a tier 2 Judgement. I have tried a lot of baffling strategies with that character in order to "improve" my "participation". None of them worked. I got both my rare drops just from playing like I normally would, doing the best I could. Both rare drops were from longer trials, on was a Keep Em Separated run and one was a Lambda where people didn't know how to use acids, so we chose to collect 5 extra acids to close all 10 doors.

How do people survive getting shot by the turrets so much? Especially on the Nightstar side it seems impossible. On the Siege side you can yank him in the doorway and avoid the turret, but I have been unable to find the cover on the Nightstar side.

I doubt damage itself is counted (mostly I doubt it because Castle said it wasn't, otherwise I might think differently). However, number of targets affected by your powers may be counted (both for powers that affect the enemy and those that buff allies). It also seems likely that being high up on enemy hate lists and and/or being attacked and/or damaged yourself may somehow be counted.

And then going 2 hours earlier than announced! Oooops.

I concur with this assessment. I often take the southern path anyway, but it is not the better way.

No and yes. The crates have static locations. But the hangar only has crate. The hangar is on the SW side of the map. The room with 2 crates is the one on the SE side of the map.