Stone Daemon

Uh, there is tattered clothing. Tattered pants, tops, capes....

Granted, there isn't a huge variety, but...

This is pretty much what you can expect out of EA:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...enshot1_01.jpg

It's SO pretty.

Fixed that for ya.

That's not a Dark/dark/dark, but it is one heck of a great build. With a little work, swapping out the elec for dark makes a great D3 tank-mage.

Second build? Forget second build, make it your primary. You'll be a debuffing monster (And thats the primary objective, right?) that just happens to destroy mobs as well, and is hard to kill.

Someone else mentioned masterminds, but it's also useful for enemies that need to be fought high above the ground. For example; the Arachnos Flier, the Hamidon, Rikti Dropships, etc.

Of course, it's much easier to just get jetpacks, but you can't count on everyone to carry one around with them. And group fly isn't banned by the "No temp powers" rule.

This could work for most people, but it wouldn't work so well on Khelds. IIRC, sprint isn't usable in Dwarf mode, so you would force them to shift forms to deny flight.

Nah, I'm betting it'll be moved to the Sunshine Motel in Gallup, New Mexico.

I would agree with you, but sucky players tend to stand out on support characters (such as defenders). Thats why I call them offenders, because they not only use offensive powers in situations where defensive powers would be better, but because by doing so, they offend their teammates.

I've been using this term for a couple years now, but apparently my definition is a bit different than most of yours. What you define as a 'offender', to me, is just a good defender.

To me, an offender is a defender who neglects to use/slot/pick their primary powers and allows their allies to die because they like to pretend that they're a blaster.

Example: I had a bad experience on a brute with an offender once. Was only me, her (a fire/pain dom corrupter), and a stalker on the team. I was tanking, and repeatedly dying (was playing at around level 20-30). I soon realized that she wasn't healing--she had them, just didn't use them--she was happily blasting away while I tried to tank and keep the aggro off of her. After about the 4th death and repeated asks for her to keep up with the heals, I quit.

I doubt this is a hardware failure issue, both I and a friend of mine are having this problem as well, exactly like this. After roughly 2 hours, graphics start to go wonky (an /unloadgfx fixes it temporarily). It started happening RIGHT after GR released, too. I don't believe it's just a coincidence.

It's bad when I can no longer tell whether you're purposely taking what I say out of context, or you just don't get it. I'm hoping the former, but guessing the latter. I said if given the choice between a buff/heal bot and an offender, I'd take a buff/heal bot. But--and I say this yet again--I'd rather have a defender that did both (but please, feel free to continue ignoring this part and believing about me what you wish to believe).



Um...yes? You rolled a DEFENDER. Not a blaster. If at any point, at any time, a player puts his/her secondary over his/her primary, that person is playing wrong. If a tankers build takes every single attack, and doesn't work on defenses at all, guess what? He's not a tank, he's a weak wannabe scrapper. If blaster puts his/her secondary over his/her primary, he's a glass scrapper. (You can see where I'm going with this, yes?) I'm guessing, by the lengths you go to defend this playstyle, you are part of the problem.




Yes, and everybody just LOVES KB, don't they? The end result is pissing off the tank and any melee characters, who then have to run to catch the enemy you just sent flying. (Weren't you the one complaining about defenders having to chase players all over the map? Hold on one sec...)


Ah ok, there we are. No wonder you hate doing your job as a defender. When you knock enemies all over the place, it must be a pain to keep up with the melee ATs.

What? You just berated me for allegedly wanting a buff/heal bot, but now apparently I want a blaster? I believe thats what YOU wanted, when you roll your offenders.




See all those words I bolded for you? Those are things Defenders can do only if they make use of their primary powers. And unless you're thinking about controllers, only Dark/ fenders can summon anything. Unless you count the Voltaic Sentinel a pet, I suppose.


You're welcome. Also, I fixed that for you.






Seriously though people, we've diverged from the main point of this thread. What would you kick a person for--if you kick people (and some people talked about personal experiences)?. I've already said what I had to contribute, and I have no wish to continue back and forth in this endless cycle.

Please collect your things before disembarking from the train. Have a good day.

Granted, I can't think of many reasons, but at least one big one comes to mind. Simple Lord Recluse tanking/distracting on the STF.


I forgot to mention when I first read this, and nobody else has commented on it. Does that mean you can attack while phased? That would be an interesting uniqueness to the power, and would certainly distinguish itself from the pool set.

But then what's the point? It's essentially Super Reflexes now. Granted, the powers would (hopefully) have different graphics, and would have a few tweaks...but you know what I'm saying.

No, my "point" was that bad players, playing defenders (and corrupters too), are binary. I expect a decent defender to use BOTH powersets, not one or the other. Apparently I should have spelled it out for you. That was my bad.

You forgot energy. And again, I suppose I should have used the word primary, instead of buffing/debuffing. If I wanted a defender that would do nothing but attack, I may as well have hired a blaster.




Now who is the one making 'erroneous assertions', hmm? Wading through all that sarcasm is a chore, especially to see all the words you're putting in my mouth. I'm not gonna repeat myself, just going to add that I don't believe in having to request buffs--if Scrappers and Blasters don't need to be asked to shoot stuff, why should defenders be asked to do their job? That said, I'm not going to kick somebody for failing to do their job, unless they just plain aren't trying to contribute at all.




It's cute how you keep poking fun at the stat. Yes, I made it up...well more of an estimate of defenders at low to mid levels that I run into.

So, your magical noob blocking barrier must have been put up after you created your guys there, huh?

You really like that train metaphor, huh?

Heh...this is gonna make you mad. I bought the DVD edition a year back for $3 at a Big Lots.

Congratulations on missing the entire point of my post. Let me restate it in simpler terms, just for you. 80% of defenders I run into choose one thing or the other to do. There's your offender, that refuses to buff/debuff *while on teams*, and then there's your heal-bot. It is very rare that I run into a decent player that manages to do both, and if I have to choose whether I want a wanna-be blaster, or a heal/buff bot? I'll take the heal/buff-bot. I did invite a defender, after all. As I already said in my previous post, I would prefer that the defender healed/buffed when neccessary, and did something with his/herself in the interim, such as, I dunno, making use of the secondary pool.



Thats why the dev's released the dual builds system. Solo play gets it's own build that focuses on secondary aspects, team play is more of a mix. Again; I would hope that the defender can do BOTH, but that's often not the case. At least, not on my server. Maybe your server magically filters out the noobs? That sounds nice.

I like this a LOT more. If anything, I would love to take a whack at Diabolique with this defense set.

No....Hot Feet is a damage toggle for fire/ trollers, that requires you to be on the ground to activate. I know there are similar powers that require being on land to activate as well (Earth controllers, for instance). What would you do about them?