Steele_Magnolia

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  1. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master View Post
    while it is true that the boycott movement is not gonna do much, i still refuse to support them if they kill off this game, i dont care how good guild wars 2 is or how much money its making them, they still lost a potential customer here, and even though ill im only 1 person, if coh does go down i will still start spreading hate of ncsoft saying that they could randomly shut your game down at any time without so much as a warning.

    if ncsoft is not willing to sell coh and lets it die, then ncsoft will not receive any support from me and if anything negative publicity in the form of word of mouth and internet posts.

    right now i am working with all of the other people who are trying to be reasonable with ncsoft to get them to sell coh to either the current devs or the titan network guys, but if they are unwilling to be reasonable then they get no more chances
    Sure it's sold a lot. It's also buggy as hell with major server issues. Over 15,000 COH players have signed the petition so far. Those are informed and angry customers. Each one is an individual. En masse they represent a lot of income lost.

    1 x 15,000 x $60 = $900,000

    That's real money.
  2. Quote:
    Originally Posted by HI IM A UNICORN View Post
    I think if I cared for anyones view on my attitude it would have changed from the first post. Keep trying to get under my skin, its endearing at best.
    If you cared you would post under your real account. Now I'm putting you ignore to save time. I won't waste it on someone who can't even be real about who they are.
  3. The bunny made me LOL. It truly did. I like the approach to quests, that sounds innovative and fun.

    Too bad. I'd have tried it after seeing this. I like having different games to switch between and play with my various friends. I play COH with one group, Aion with another, and have a lifetime sub to LOTRO (and play occasionally still).

    It could be the best MMO of all time. I won't touch it as long as COH is cancelled. Put it in my sub and store purchases in your pipe and smoke it, NCSoft. It's the last money you'll ever get from me
  4. Steele_Magnolia

    Roleplaying SOS

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Llydia View Post
    MadGremlin, not from me. Converting everything into a consolidated PDF is the work of a lifetime. I'm just trying to find as much as I can, saving all the great stories possible that were composed over the course of City Of Heroes will have enough content for me to read throughout the rest of my lifetime. Reformatting into something else is beyond my capacity.

    I looked at hosting them on Google Docs, but even the first file I check (one from Whitmoore) was over the 1,024,000 characters / 2MB limit per document. And that's without avatars or signatures.

    Anyone with similar questions: If I can't figure anything else out before the forums go down, email me at CoHjm2012 (@} gmail {dot) com and we can arrange a SASE.

    (In case anyone doesn't know, SASE = Self-Addressed Stamped Envelope. Meaning you pay for postage both ways and the USB storage; I contribute my computer and time without monetary compensation.)
    Will you be making copies of Whitmoore Apartments and Paragon University?

    The thought of losing all this just makes me feel sick.
  5. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Terwyn View Post
    I've had a growing suspicion that I'd like confirmed one way or the other.

    If it came down to the choice of saving the game, or saving the studio, which would you consider the preferable outcome?

    I, personally, would much rather save the studio. Games are code, and can be rebuilt.
    As much as I love the game.... Save the studio. People's livelihoods are at stake. They've shared their dreams with us and could do so again.
  6. Quote:
    Originally Posted by JChaos View Post
    Errr, off topic, but your BoycottOwl boycott seems to be improperly formatted. The demands you listed are demands you're giving to your boycotters, not to the company to get them to end the boycott.
    I've never done a boycott before, hence the mistake. I wish I could edit the boycott page but it doesn't seem that I can.
  7. See signature.

    4 subs x $15/mo x 12 months = $720
    Approximately $240/yr in store purchases

    That's nearly $1000 they're not getting from me. Let's say half the people who signed the signature only had monthly subs and bought nothing from the store. That probably evens out those who had subs, those who had subs and spent extra, and those who were purely ftp. Those people probably will never buy NCSoft again. They're informed customers and angry.

    15,000 x $15 = $225,000

    Now we're talking real money.
  8. I'll be there.

    My call to action:
    Join the Facebook boycott group (if you use Facebook)
    Join the web boycott on Boycott Owl

    Both links are in my signature.
  9. From an accounting standpoint any money they've already collected in subs minus the lingering costs of running the servers looks really good on their next quarter's balance sheet. IMO that's why the 90 days still running the servers. It temporarily fluffs their profits for the Q3 report, then after Nov 30 they can refund what's left on subs after that. Even if they do eventually give refunds prior to that date every day they've held onto sub money is days they could have done short term business loans/investing for free profit. It's the same trick that banks do with your deposits, governments do with withheld taxes and refunds, and comapnies do with surplus cash, etc.

    We'll see if I'm right.
  10. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gangrel_EU View Post
    Ironically, living by this rule, all those CoX players really shouldn't have complained.

    /sarcasm

    (yes, this will be game number 5 (or 6 if you include the closure of Lineage in the western market) that they would have closed down.
    Only if COX players were aware of it prior to now. I was aware of the car game, didn't know much about the others until now because I didn't play any of those. I was only aware of the car one because a friend played it.
  11. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Zyphoid View Post
    It is also fair to note that not just CoH players are planning on Boycotting NCSoft for this move. There are posters on the WoW boards, and the D3 boards saying the same thing.
    We sure are. At least a bunch of us are. Join us!
  12. Yeah,

    I'm not sure where my subs are. Two accounts are on the 12+2, not sure about the other two for my family. I've heard nothing and am kinda hoping that they don't refund my money because then I can complain to the Better Business Bureau.
  13. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Starsman View Post
    I was going to say the same but after going to the link... the reviews are not all doom and gloom. Sure there are some bad reviews, but there are some positive too. No 5 stars but I have never met anyone that will openly admit his job is the best job they can ever dream off (never met a some one that was self employed )
    I thought I had a job like that until the day I was terminated with no notice for no cause and told to pick my personal stuff up at HR next week because I wouldn't be allowed to clean out my desk.

    It's why I hate NCSoft so much - I understand Paragon Studios people's pain.

    Edit: My review of my former company was a mixed bag - the job was good, the working enviroment good, the HR policies absolute hell.
  14. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Father Xmas View Post
    But it's like boycotting Fox because they canceled Firefly or NBC because they canceled Journeyman or Warner Brother's Batman movies because of the Schumacher films. You can, it'll just be a time when you run out of places you aren't boycotting to get your gaming on.
    Let's see:

    Aion - been playing for 3 years with a friend, could continue ftp no store buys, but I'd rather just sever it like a diseased limb
    LOTRO - Lifetime sub there, I could go back for the Isengard and Rohan stuff
    Oblivion - Never did finish it
    Wii - the only thing I've done with it is watch Netflix
    WOW - never tried it and it seems to have sticking power
    CO - a friend has a lifetime sub there and I could join him
    Tera - my brother raves about it
    EQ - I could go back
    DDO - I could go back

    I don't need NCSoft. They do need my (and your) money. As for mine they won't get it for anything other than COH.
  15. Quote:
    Originally Posted by JoeKent View Post
    Well the boycott is on and seems to be getting ncsoft's attention. We are not going to win this by holding hands and singing kumbia .
    See my sig and join if you will. No singing Kumbaya, just fighting to keep our game.
  16. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Feycat View Post
    You're not going to win by lashing out at the rest of the community, or innocent people, either.

    Out of curiosity, do you have a cite for NCsoft's attention? I'd honestly love to see it.

    Here's their facebook page. Not too much interest in GW but a hell of a lot of enraged COH fans.

    https://www.facebook.com/NCsoftWest
  17. I already buy additional points beyond my sub fee. I would keep doing so and be willing to pay an additional $5 (that's on four accounts, mind you). The game was making money hand over fist from me before in the 'double' range.
  18. That there are 'discussions' is more hope than we had. A faint hope, but the flickering of a candle is at its most bright in the dark.

    If there is anything we can do to help let us know! We've got your back.
  19. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mandu
    Your dad gives you a puppy. You grow up with the puppy. Your puppy grows into an adult and is your constant companion. He is still in the prime of his life and he's your best buddy. Then your dad drags him out behind the woodshed and kills him.

    Why? Because he wants to put an addition on the house and the money he will save on future vet bills and food will help out a little bit.

    Oh yeah, your dad is a great guy for getting you that puppy isn't he? Everything is all peaches and gravy because he let you keep the dog for 8 years before he decided to kill it.
    That. Exactly.
  20. This is so sweet. I've to speak with a friend but seriously considering CO as an alternative if we do lose COH and would definitely be there for a crossover.
  21. Quote:
    Originally Posted by LittleDavid View Post
    And there's always crowdfunding. We've got a number of people here who said they'd pay up to $1,000 just to save the game from death.

    Even if nobody pays THAT much into it, there's still a lot of us who'd be willing to contribute even just a small amount.
    This. I'd invest in an indie studio.
  22. Quote:
    Originally Posted by LittleDavid View Post
    I don't think TonyV's posted a specific Call to Action thread for this.

    I told somebody I know about the ongoing efforts to get the word out about City of Heroes' death and the player base's attempts to stop it from happening. I showed him some of the articles that have been published already.

    His response was,

    "So that's two articles from one site I've barely even heard of, and one I've never heard of. Where is Kotaku? Where is The Verge? Where is Ars Technica? FFS, where's Slashdot, even?"

    He does have a point. It's awesome that there's blogging and journalism sites covering our fight ... but have there been any efforts to get the bigger sites covering this with the same focus that Gamenguide and Addicting Info have?
    I can't speak with any certainty, but I suspect the amount of advertising dollars for GW2 might affect a gaming news site's willingness to report anything truly negative. I'd hope not, but I suspect it might.

    It's early days. To us it feels like eternity, but the announcement was only Friday and it was a long holiday weekend. Today is the first day back for some people and they may only now be catching up on the news.
  23. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Leo_G View Post
    *gets a chance to see Forbin's sig*

    Lol okay I'm still laughing
    Hehehe I needed a good laugh.
  24. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Leo_G View Post
    NCsoft does't make those products, they fund the studios that hire the talent that makes those products. To boycott a game you believe is worth buying because you hold a grudge against some business huddle that made a bad decision is also punishing the artist paying their student loans and feeding his wife and kids who was hired by a company who decided that artist was worth giving a salary to.

    “To be wronged is nothing, unless you continue to remember it.”

    -Confucious

    “Not forgiving is like drinking rat poison and then waiting for the rat to die.”

    -Anne Lamott



    The other studios under the NCsoft name had no participation in what happened to Paragon Studios. I bet the workers of Paragon Studios are mad at the situation they're in but I doubt they will hold a grudge. Video Games are part of the entertainment industry and the entertainment industry is even more cut-throat than just regular business fare.



    Do you only buy from thrift shops and mom-and-pop stores? Do you run your car on vegetable oil? Do you make all your own shoes or buy your clothes from only professional seamstresses who handcraft all their wares? If not, you support super-stores like Walmart who put mom-and-pop stores out of business. You support oil refineries that barely give two ****s about the environment. Those clothes and shoes were probably made by underpaid kids sweating in factories for long hours. Those hamburgers were probably made from mass-farmed cows whose living conditions are so horrid I couldn't describe it.

    Buck up. Unless you isolate yourself from anything mass-produced, you're likely deriving your products from the suffering of others.

    It's one thing to be picky about who you buy your products from and it's another to hold your ideals on a hypocritical soap box just because you feel wronged.
    When I have a choice I try to buy the product that best supports a community and the people who made it. I don't have to live in a mud hut or grow my own crops or run my car on vegetable oil, but I can buy from the business that uses the best practices like hiring a father/son business to fix my roof, buy clothes made in the US (very hard to find), organic and free range meat and dairy, and produce grown locally. I do these things. Gasoline --- that's a tough one, there aren't any good oil companies there are just bad and worse. I do manage to keep my mileage under 100 mi/week and my car is 8 years old even though I could afford a new one, I don't believe in waste.

    If the game was just being cancelled because it wasn't profitable I'd be very sad. It's how the Paragon Studios staff was treated that has me angry.

    And my mother cried when I told her. She's 66 and has been playing for a year and a half now. She looks forward to playing so much, says that it made her enjoy life again to be able to do this and share it with my brother and I. She is only able to do so because the UI is so accessible for her and the game is so much easier than other games for casual play. She has severe arthritis and we play by her using autofollow and the 1-0 keys for attacks. I manage the account and character setup to make it work.

    They. Made. My. Mother. Cry.

    For that there is no punishment too much.

    Edit/Add: She plays Blue Darling on Liberty. @Steele's Mom