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guy 1: Hey... Is that a shield...?

guy 2: What..? No. Couldn't be. There's noone holding it.

guy 1: Yeah there is. That guy is just dressed like a ninja and ducked behind it.

guy 2: You must be imagining things, man. Noone would be -that- stupi- *Assassin Strike!*

guy 1: AHH! NINJA!



Yeah... Shield Stealth would be awesome...

-Rachel-

Shouldn't the last line be:

Your bases: quantity: All. Status: Possessor: Us.

Or "Owner" Just seems odd to hear a Rikti say "Belong To" I guess...

-Rachel-

It's a well designed set.

Go back through the thread and see all the positive responses this idea got last year. Pretty much everyone in the thread is all for it or at the least not against it.

-Rachel-

Already voiced my concerns on most of this.

But it's 1 merit per 3 minutes, not 5.

-Rachel-

Right... Gotchya. So your idea is "Make it like this! I don't care how!"

My reply will be simply: No. I'd rather the Developers did not waste their communal time and effort trying to implement the most vague ideas or suggestions offered from the forums. So yes. I'll shoot this one down, right here, right now.

And then Tinker with it some. Such as suggesting that, in the "Spirit" of your idea Higher Level enemy threats are accessible from lower level zones! Such as Nemesis Army paper missions in Atlas park, or Devouring Earth attacks in paper missions in Galaxy Park. How about level 50 Fifth Column (not council) missions out in independence Port. You know. things that make sense in relation to the backstory of the game (Nemesis trying to take over, DE attacking Galaxy Girl's statue, or the Column trying to take the bridge where Atlas died)

Or tinker with it further.

Hellions are -probably- unacceptable as a level 50 threat, as they are. Since it's -supposed- to be a low-level street gang made up of demon-worshippers. However... How about a higher level villaingroup based on the new Demon summoning powerset and it's usage for an elite cadre of spellcasters whom the hellions are simply the public hands of. Who taught the Hellions how to traffic with dark spirits and demons, anyhow?

You see... Both of these "Tinkerings" I've done are acceptable suggestions. It's a fleshed out and reasonable idea beyond "I want X. Make it. I don't care how"

And stop with the juvenile misspellings to get around the word filter. It's a reportable offense.

-Rachel-

*edit* Quoting Jharber's third post in this thread in case of later alteration.

Is it -actually- a doppleganger effect trailing behind the characer? I thought it was a generic male or female model at your character's size in vapor-trails and such behind the character. I didn't know it had actual costume patterns, hats, capes, and so forth...

-Rachel-

Wow... Just gonna go ahead and quote that one for posterity...

First off: Don't cop such a negative attitude over the situation. Your "Suggestion" had very little to work from beyond "Fight Hellions at Level 50" Going off that I assumed (obviously, falsely) that you didn't know hellions didn't -go- to 50. So I responded, accordingly. I've made my fair share of suggestions and come up with ideas, but usually I tinker with other people's concepts to try and make them workable.

So! Go ahead and tell us how you would implement this change. As opposed to tossing up a vaguely worded post and then getting pissy with anyone who responds.

-Rachel-

Actually it's like saying you can't put the shell of a Chrysler Town and Country on the frame of a VW Bug. Though you can still pimp out that VW with compatible parts.

I missed you, Bill! *hugs!*

-Rachel-

At this point, though, it sounds more like you're specifically trying to create a character which flies in the face of the concept... And I do mean -specifically-! Every thing I point out you create another layer of RP balloon to seal up the hole... And it's understandable.

As for the "Origin Restricted or locked" things? That's what Origin-Specific means.... It's specifically tied to one origin.

There is no way to make an "Origin Suggestive" animation set which justifies a player's use of origin if it's available to all origins. And players (at least some!) won't accept any origin-locked concepts, even if they get neat toys with -their- origin.

I, for example, don't make Ninja characters. though I do make quite a few "Natural" heroes. So why does the Natural Booster have to be ninjas? My does the magic booster have a ton of -Clothing- options when my magic character isn't a wizard or a sorceror, but instead inherently magical?

Origin Suggestive pieces tend to focus in on specific concepts without making it -too- pointed or tied intrinsically to the character. Either we have costume pieces and power animations that sort of lean towards origins or we tie them directly to the origins.

The former leaves Origins as a mostly hollow shell of unimportance which barely means -anything- outside of a system of behind the curtains improvements to a player's powers.

The latter has people yelling and hollering about things being too specific or too tied up into Origins leaving them "Restricted".

If you don't want things tied up that "Lock" creativity then by all means petition for non-unique names, all costume pieces unlocked without using TFs or Merit rewards or even random drops or Vet rewards.

If you don't mind all of those locks blocking people's creativity... what is it that gets your goat about this one?

-Rachel-

This I could get behind. Revisit a zone heroside (Perhaps Perez?) And -add- a new zone villainside.

Alter a TF, heroside (New enemy designs, different map-tiles) Create a new SF villainside.

So long as -something- is going on that is comparable, though not the same, I'm fine with it. Though this is a whole other suggestion that needs to get made.

-Rachel-

If you power a suit of armor through magic, or a robotic shell through magic it is a -magic- origin, regardless of what the resultant golem looks like. Would this golem have shoulder mounted rail cannons and eye-beams to fire magic balls of fire from? Why would it rely on the shoulder-mounted rail cannon, which is non-functional by the way, to fire a magic attack?

Another point to note is that it could be limited to the particle effects, or animations, or a specific combination.

But yes. ultimately there are those who won't accept such limiting factors on pretty much anything. And that's why we can never have origin-specific stuff. Thank you for illustrating that point, Bill. =-3

-Rachel-

Umm... You kinda played into what I was saying there, Xhris... Mutants can use Mutant, Magic, and Science origin animations. So yes, your mutant could have "Magic Punch" by what I've stated.

To answer the question of "Why limit it" is because it differentiates the origins while -mostly- holding true to the criteria put forth by MI_Abrams...

Even if it does -slightly- hedge the last criteria and utterly throws out the "Works with all possible interpretations of origin"

Though... A Magic powered Robot could just choose between "Magic" or "Tech" for his origin, since both apply equally, and choose which animations he wants to use... So it -kind of- works in that case and is no more restricting than the current Tech or Magic choice the player must select on creating the magitech robot.

No more limiting than current tech and, in fact, expands options... I still think it's a good idea.

-Rachel-

This is a very possible reality... Though it's not a matter of what a person with powers goes through so much as what a person goes through. People are more prone to the shortest route as opposed to the "Best" or most moral. If you asked someone the first thing they'd do if given the power of teleportation -many- would immediately discuss teleporting into banks or places of wealth, stealing something, and leave.

However, I like to imagine that people would take a higher or more noble road and, instead, live out their childhood power fantasies by becoming the hero. Perhaps I'm too much of an idealist!

-Rachel-