Stardrive

Yeah, he's a barrel of fun. The last time I turned him loose, it took a spy within Arachnos and a full fledged hero assault on Grandville to get the evidence he was lying. That's the stuff that was hinted at with him failing before, etc...

It's comics, good guys have to win in the end, or at least maintain the status quo, but I made life highly difficult for the United Sentinels of America for a while.

Couldn't resist naming the reporter Ima Payne either, with the constant stream of spin and half truths we get out of ALL sides of the media nowadays.

hehehe, so that is how I resolved it.

It still doesn't really answer the question of if I called Recluse's actions correctly. But I asked on the thread for questions on the Canon Fodder so hopefully we'll have an answer at some point.


I really ought to be writing stories for NCSoft

Major Arachnos strutted back into the B.A.D. control center with a huge smug look on his face. Seeing the look on the others faces he laughed briefly. "Was that great or what?" "They ate it up, not that GNN has ever been a hard sell."

"The true question is, will the public buy it?", Marcone remarked in her usal cold, flat tone.

"Pfeh, the public is a bunch of braindead idiots who can't read beyond a paragraph and pays more attention to Amreican Idol than their own government.", Major Arachnos responded in his typical smug tone. "People in Paragon will be less likely to buy it, with the hero worship they have." "It'll seel even there to a degree however." "Outside Paragon, it'll sell enough to sew seeds of doubt and turn some of the population back to our side." "The big bang for our buck comes outside the U.S. particularly in countries that are anti-U.S. to begin with." "We'll have most of the U.N. eating out of our hands in no time." Major Arachnos snickered, proud of his handiwork.

"So it would seem.", Marcone replied.

"The only way I could have made it better would have been to get a few bums off the street from Mercy and put them on camera talking about how horrible it is they lost their job and can't feed their families afte the lab was totaled", Major Arachnos said. "Which I think I'll look into for round two of this little game.", he added with a cold chuckle. "That footage is solid, right kid?"

"Yeah,", Oni replied "all digital so it's harder to detect than editing analog footage, and I checked for ANY prrof of editing five times." "They'll never prove satisfactorily that it's edited no matter how much they howl."

"Sweet.", Major Recluse replied. Then he turned to Arachnid Woman with a smirk. "So did you learn anything, Princess?"

"I have had ENOUGH of your insolence! I"m going to...", Arachnid Woman started, with a look of rage in her eyes.

"You're going to nothing, Princess.", Major Archnos snapped back in a stern tone. "Let's clear the air here for you." "If Lord Recluse wanted me gone, It would have happened already." "There's a reason I'm still around, so you'd better think about that one." "That's even more true now that I had to bail your tight little butt out of the mess YOU created." "Your daddy needs me around to clean up that mess, so not only am I more valuable than you right now, but you owe me too." "Never mind I'm getting sick of people threatening me and forgetting *I* am Project Warstike." Major Arachnos hit the reinforced steel wall with an energized fist that left a 1 foot deep dent in it. "I'm more than capable of taking care of myself with more than words." Major Arachnos flashed a smarmy smile. "Still, Princess, If you want to be a good girl and thank me properly later, I'll be in my room."

Arachnid Woman only stood there gawking, shocked by Major Arachnos audacity as he walked off.

"It's good to be the master...", Major Arachnos chuckled to himself as he strutted off in his designer suit.

Ima spoke, trying to give the appearance of taking control of the interview. "So you said there was a second incident that precipitated the events in Paragon City?"

"Yes there was." Major Arachnos said in a grim tone. "This one sadly even more serious in terms of the harm it did to the world at large."

"What are you saying?", Ima said in a serious tone.

"A few days ago, one of our medical research facilities was raided and heavily damaged by yet another American terrorist attack.", Major Arachnos said in a serious tone. "That facility, run by our most brilliant researcher, Doctor Aeon, was developing a /cure/ for the H1N1 flu that has the world so scared lately." "And yes, I said /cure/ not vacceine." "That cure was going to be distributed world wide by our goverment in order to ease the suffering of the world and demonstrate the good will of Arachnos towards the world." Major Arachnos again paused and took a more angry tone and posture. "Of course, that would have deprived US pharmaceutical mega-corporations of billions in profits they stood to make on shoddy vacceines." "So, in comes their metahuman hitmen to steal the treatment and destroy our facility."

The camera again cuts away from the anchor desk and shows doctored footage of Shama's mission to raid one of Dr Aeon's labs. The doctored footage seems to match Major Arachnos's recount of events completely.

"That is one ruthless, hardball playing, manipulative son of a *****.", Miss Parks said with an admiring smirk. "I like his style."

Marcone only smiled glibly, seeing that perhaps there was light at the end of the tunnel.

After the doctored footage of Shama's team (made to look like unknown metahumans wearing US covert ops uniforms), finishes, the camera again returns to the GNN news studio.

"I'm... stunned.", Ima Payne manages to get out.

"So am I.", replies Major Arachnos glibly. "All of that apparently carried out by another US government black ops team to protect the interests of the mega-corporations that essentially own and control that government."

"You say apparently, so I assume you have no concrete evidence of this?", Ima asks.

"Again, no direct evidence beyond the footage you see.", Major Arachnos replied. "Those kind of thugs aren't known for leaving a great deal of evidence behind." "Crimes all come down to motive, means and opportunity however, right?" "Means and opportunity you see right before you on tape, so the only question remains, WHO had motive to deprive the world of a treatment for a global pandemic?"

"Who indeed...", commented Ima in a somewhat accusing tone.

"Sadly that raid set our research back 3 years also.", Major Arachnos said in a grim tone. "I shudder to think of the consequences that MAY have for the world."

Ima looks in silence at the camera with an "end of the world" look on her face. After a few moments she finally speaks again. "So how exactly do these events tie into the situation in Paragon City?" "Was this some sort of reprisal, or...?"

"No, of course not.", Major Arachnos said. "At least it didn't start out that way." "Our two operatives were sent in to try to recover our missing medical research, which was sources said was hidden in Paragon somewhere." "This was ONLY done after efforts at a diplomatic resolution with the United States were completely rebuffed." "We're a small country made up of a few small islands." "Acts like this risk provoking an outright war and we'd be very hard pressed to survive a full scale war with a bully superpower." "We felt the greater good to the poor peeople of the world justified an attempt to recover the research though." "It would have been ignoble and cowardly to do nothing to help people if we had it in our power."

"But all the wholesale destruction...", Ima interjected.

"First, the destruction has been exaggerated to some degree by the media at large.", Major Arachnos replied. "Everything is about sensationalism and ratings, so they take the absolute worst scenes and make that appear as if it ALL looks that way." "Secondly, our agents were attacked en masse by law enforcement and paramilitary forces." "They acted to defend themselves only." "While Arachnos deeply regrets the civilian injuries that occured, those were relatively few and directly caused by the recklessness and gross negeligence of those who attacked our agents." "The agents we sent in were forced to defend themselves against overwhelming odds while racing across hostile territory." "What truly is disgusting is NOT that they fought with valor against overwhelming numbers, but the way the government media complex in the U.S. used bad camera angels, quick cut and patch video editing and maybe even outright doctored footage to make this look like senseless slaughter instead of a humanitarian mission gone bad."

"I see...", Ima said.

"All the more tragic since it ALL could have been prevented by the U.S. simply being willing to negotiate on the return of our vital medical research.", Major Arachnos added.

"Very serious allegations, Major", Ima replied.

"Indeed they are, but this is a VERY serious situation.", Major Arachnos responded. "And while Arachnos greatly regrets that the situation escalated so dramatically, we also feel we've been pushed into a corner after years of U.S. aggression." "We have the right to self determination, and for our citizens to be able to sleep peacefully at night instead of worrying if some U.S. 'hero' is going to come destroy their home or neighborhood." "The right for our children to grow up happy, feeling safe and secure instead of living in terror."

Major Arachnos paused for effect again, then continued. "We believe in diplomacy and civilized resolutions to differences." "This is why I worked with the United Nations last year for justice after we were attacked." "The US, of course, ignored the will of the international community and international law and responded with the kind of needless and pointless aggression they're known for." "Then they responded with treachery and lies to boot, ensuring our only avenue for international justice was denied to us." "I can only hope the fallout from this unfortunate situation will again aler the world to our plight and force the United States to respect our soverignty."

"Thank you, Major Arachnos.", Ima Payne said. "This is Ima Payne with GNN News and we'll return after these messages."

With the interview over, the TV cuts to black for half a second then goes to a commercial for laundry detergent.

Six hours later, Major Arachnos stood in the B.A.D. base conference room. Off to his right, a TV camera was set up facing a monitor bank. Major Arachnos was decked out in his Italian black silk suit and dress shirt and an expensive looking designer red silk tie as well. He straightened his hair with an arrogant smirk while quietly whistling 'Sharp Dressed Man' by ZZ Top. Off to the left, near the doorway to the base entry area, Marcone stood with her arms crossed. Stunning Cruelty and Arachnid Woman stood next to her, both with scowls on their face.

"Arrogant struting, overdressed toad.", Arachnid Woman snapped, more to the room in general than anything.

Major Arachnos turned to her with a smirk. "The pen is mightier than the sword, kid." "What makes me dangerous is I'm good with both." "As for the suit, it's magic, just like me; not only does it make me look good, it'll even help somebody like /you/ look good.". The smarmy contempt in his voice was clear at the end of his comment. "Now watch and learn how a /true/ pro works.".

Arachnid Woman took half a step forward with fists clenched and look of murder in her eyes. Marcone reached out and put a hand on her shoulder, giving her a firm look while shaking her head 'no'. Arachnid Woman stopped, not wanting to push her luck any further than she already had with her father. If looks could kill though, Major Arachnos would have died several grizzly deaths.

Major Arachnos stepped in front of the camera and the Arachnos technician operating it turned it to focus on him.

Marcone motioned for the others to follow her. After they were out of audio range of the camera feed, she spoke. "It'll be a minute before he goes live." "We can watch in the control center.". The group made a bee line for the control room where Shama, Miss Parks & Cyber Oni were already watching the TV feed. As everybody gathered around the large overhead monitor bank, a commercial was just finishing up.

"He really think he's going to reverse this mess so easily?", Oni asked rhetorically with a clear sarcastic & skeptical tone.

"We'll see.", Marcone snapped.

"That one is known for his greasy cunning and skill at manipulation.", Shama remarked absently. "So we shall see indeed."

The TV commercial ended and cut back to the Global News Network anchor desk. The camera focused on a slender, busty woman in a slightly provocative business outfit. Her dark brown hair was inpeccibly styled, and she wore a look of grave seriousness that somehow lacked sincerity to those who studied her carefully.

"Welcome back to GNN Midday News, this is Ima Payne.". "We continue the ongoing coverage of the carnage in Paragon City." "As promised, we now have an /exclusive/ interview with Etoile Islands spokesman, Major Arachnos." The screen splits to show a large inset live camera view of Major Arachnos in the conference room. "Major Arachnos, thank you for agreeing to appear here today with GNN"

"The pleasure is all mine, Ima.", Major Arachnos said in a tone that conveyed warmth and seriousness. "I'm looking forward to the opportunity to clear the air here and present Arachnos's position in this matter."

"And just what is that position, Major?", Ima asked in an oddly respectful tone. "What, in the view of Arachnos, has the public not been aware of?"

"Arachnos has been put in a rather difficult situation for years, Ima.", Major Arachnos replied. "All we've truly wanted has been for our national sovereignty to be respected and to properly recognized among the nations of the world." "Yet, not only has the United States in particular continually violated our borders and sovereignty, but they commit blatant terrorist raids on our land and facilities even when it harms the world at large to do so."

"What do you mean, Major?", Ima asked with a quizzical look on her face.

"The most recent incidents for example...", Major Arachnos started. "First, we caught a US government spy in the Isles." "She was not only trying to work to covertly overthrow the government here, but was sabotaging utilities, hospitals, communications..." "The harm she caused the population was fairly extensive." "When we caught her, we would have been perfectly within our rights under the Geneva Convention to execute her as a spy in our country." "None the less, Lord Recluse in his infinite mercy and wisdom decided to have her held and simply negotiate an end to such espionage in exchange for her release." "Their government's response was to come up with some doctored video making it appear Arachnos was attempting an insane nuclear blackmail plot and use it to attempt to extort her release." "When that didn't immediately work, they sent in a black ops metahuman commando team to the psychiatric hospital where the spy was being held." "Several innocent mentally ill people were killed, along with some of Etoile's best minds in the field of psychiatric medicine."

"Shocking,", Ima Payne replied in disbelief. "But why was Arachnos holding this spy in a mental hospital?"

Major Arachnos let out a long, deep and seemingly pained sigh "Because despite all the difficulties we've had with our neighbor to the North, Arachnos still values diplomacy and civil relations." "The facility was deemed a more comnfortable, humane place for her to be detained than a prison would have been." "Besides, we sadly no no idea the U.S. was capable of such ruthless barbarism."

"Do you have any proof of these serious allegations?", Ima questioned politely.

"Only limited footage of the internal security cameras, as well as the remains of the hospital, located off of Grandville."

The camera cuts away from the GNN anchor desk to show footage of Miss Deadshot's rescue, except the old B.A.D. base now looks like a clean, sterile and peaceful medical clinic. The footage continues, showing the rescue team apparently cutting down minimally armed private security guards.

"Damn, I do good editing work.", Oni commented arrogantly back in the B.A.D. control room. "I was wondering what exactly he had in mind with those edits though." "Sneaky *******."

The footage ends and the camera returns to a horrified looking GNN News anchor crew. Ima Payne seems to be at a loss for words briefly, then speaks.

"...Shocking.", Ima manages. "But, this /is/ GNN, Major and we ask the hard questions here." "Therefore, I have to ask, how are we to know for a certainty that this video is authentic given the media scandal you and Arachnos were involved in last year?"

"A tough, but reasonable question, Ima.", Major arachnos replied in a serious tone. "That's why I respect GNN and agreed to do my interview here." "Last year's situation was yet another tragic media manipulation not by Arachnos, but the United States government."

Ima Payne has a mock slightly skeptical look on her face at this point. "How so, and do you have any proof?"

"Direct proof, sadly no.", Major A continued. "The act of terrorism that chain of events ended with included the complete destruction of our media center in Grandville as well as the stealing and erasing of our entire national computer network." "They did everything they could to destroy our ability to defend ourselves legally before presenting their doctored footage of Justice Omega's assault and the later follow up attack."

"So your position is that the US footage is in fact the fake video, /not/ the earlier footage you released for Arachnos?", Ima questioned.

"Absolutely.", Major Arachnos said firmly. "Think about it..." "The US has spy satelites watching the entire world." "Never mind those F22s and other US planes carry video cameras to show off the destruction they cause around the world." "Every moment of their last few wars has been broadcast live all across the globe via cable news."

Major Arachnos took a dramatic pause, allowing his point to sink in. "Yet, we're expected to believe that they couldn't come up with ANY form of proof they were innocent for almost two months, and /only/ after they launched a terrorist attack on our capital?" "It's just common sense that their story stinks to high hell.", Major Arachnos said with dramatic flair. Then he took a calmer posture and a calm, centered tone to his voice.

"We unfortunately have no evidence, yet I have faith in the intelligence and common sense of the world's population." "I also strongly believe the old addage that the truth has a certain ring to it." "Beyond that, I have only to point at the last 10 years of the United States history to help prove my case." "This is a country that almost half of it's own population believes was involved in some manner with the terrorist attacks in New York." "It's a country that regularly starts wars with other nations strictly to steal and control their national resources." "Sometimes just to bully other nations into doing things the way they want." "Name me one war they've been involved in since World War 2 where their national safety or sovereignty was truly and clearly threatened."

"Well..." Ima started, "Some would say that..."

"Oh of course /some/ would say...". Major Arachnos cut her off. "Some people are blind patriots no matter what their country may do, and the US always comes up with enough shadey evidence to justfy their aggression."

"That charge has been leveled by several sources around the globe.", remarked Ima Payne. "And while you did address the question of credibility, we are getting off track from recent events."

"Of course...", said Major Arachnos with a polite smile. "Let's continue with the important matter at hand."

ROFL... I like the way you think.

THAT ultimately is what I did for a RP solution. I have A REAL sleazy Bane Spider that handles that kind of dirty PR work.

Well, in fact I'll just post the story, lol.

Characters: Night Widow Commander Marcone is the leader of teh Bureau of Archvillain Development. Major Arachnos is my stalker from Triumph remade as a Bane here. He's the original candidate for Project Warstrike; an Arachnos super soldier program. Stunning Cruelty and Arachnid Woman are the two maniac brutes, and Shama is the second in command of BAD and another Widow.

Oh and the rants about Justice Omega and an attack on Grandville is backstory from an old SG of mine where Major Arachnos pulled a similar stunt. Justice Omega lead a STF on Grandville in response to RP events and Major Arachnos made it look like an attack on the innocent civilians with doctored footage.





Lord Recluse stood in his control room, staring at news reports of the carnage around Paragon. While the damage areas had been limited by use of the force fields the city uses for this kind of emergency, the actual damage was still extensive where it hit. Two police stations completely destroyed, scores of police and Longbow injured or dead, buildings burnt, a corporate executive kidnapped, cars, trucks, buses and and almost anything else loose on the street destroyed. The number of police, Longbow and civilians injured was so great that hospitals in other zones of the city had to be used for the overflow.

The sick, twisted darkest part of Recluse took ghoulish delight in what he saw. It was truly survival of the fittest at it's violent best and Paragon City was proven weak. None the less, his more rational side realized this was not the kind of publicity Arachnos needed. The potential fallout was even less welcome. Galvanizing the world or even a portion of it against him was not something Recluse was ready to deal with... yet.

Recluse slammed his fist down on the console in front of him. "Imbeciles!", he shouted angrily. He turned to a nearby technician. "Get me their base, NOW!"

"A.. at once, my Lord Recluse.", the terrified technician managed to stammer as he made the connection.

A moment later, the overhead monitor came to life with a picture of Night Widow Commander Marcone, Widow Shama, Arachnid Woman and Stunning Cruelty. In the background, Major Arachnos could be seen leaning against the wall with his arms crossed and a smug look on his face.

Lord Recluse didn't even wait to be acknowledged. "Do the lot of you have a proper explanation for this this little circus, or should I assume your actions were deliberately treasonous and intended to bring half the planet down on Arachnos?"

Marcone spoke first; "Lord Recluse, I assure you, I only authorized them for the standard hit and fade operations, and..."

"And you lack the strength and disipline to manage your troops? Is THAT what you are trying to tell me?", Recluse snarled, cutting her short.

Marcone showed the beginnings of a deer in the headlights look. "No, no, of course not, Lord Recluse..."

Recluse turned to Shama, a bit more anger showing. "And WHAT is YOUR excuse? YOU were in the field with them as the senior officer."

Shama showed no emotion and perhaps just the vaguest hint of a smug smile. "My understanding was that your adopted child was outside our normal command structure, Lord Recluse." "Because of that, and the reputation both of these children have for excessive violence as well as this being an authorized operation... My natural assumption was this was your will." "This being my understanding at the time, my loyalty to Arachnos demanded that I merely observe, assist and council the children." Shama's smug smile grew just a bit more evident. "None the less, I did try to council the children that their actions were excessive and misguided..." "While still following what I believed your will to be, of course."

Even with his face obscured by his helmet, it was clear Recluse was less than happy with Shama's response and the game she was playing. Instead of saying anything further to her however, he directed his attention to the two titans who caused al the trouble in the first place. He unleashed a almost 3 minute tirade, degrading them for lack of discipline and intelligence, and ranting about how even Arachnos could not afford the wrath of a large portion of the world stage.

"... we survive currently by being strong enough to deter our enemies while not attracting further enemies until we have the resources to deal with them!", he ranted. At this point, he noticed Major Arachnos in the background, actually snickering. "You dare? After the way you already failed me?!?"

Major Arachnos stood up straight and spoke with a clear, confident but respectful tone. "I failed nobody, Lord Recluse." "The fault for our past efforts being uprooted lies with your other underlings who didn't destroy the raw footage of Justice Omega's attack." "Then one of his shells is captured and left intact, unrestrained and unguarded in a critical lab, allowing him to use it as a trojan horse to secure evidence of our operation?" "My manipulation of the media and the United Nations was flawless until OTHER UNDERLINGS were allowed to destroy our efforts to bring Arachnos credibility." "If my counsel had been heeded, the footage and body would have been destroyed, the Thornbird twins never would have been trusted, and Arachnos by now would have a seat on the security council of the United Nations."

Lord Recluse snarled, offended by the subtle challenge but knowing Major Arachnos spoke the truth. "And you presume that you can change that, even now... even fix this minor dibacle?"

"Have I ever truly failed you, Lord Recluse?", Major Archnos replied with hs typical cockiness showing through his respectful tone.

"Debatible.", Lord Recluse snapped. "None the less, if you want your chance to prove yourself, you shall have it." Lord Recluse glared menacingly at Major Arachnos. "Make no mistake; failure and further endangerment of all I've built here will be punished severely." "Death will seem like a quick and kind release for you."

Major Arachnos only bowed with a smug smile. "I stand by my record and my reputation."

Lord Recluse glared at the entire group, but seemed to focus most upon his adopted daughter. "Pray for all your sakes he succeeds."

With that, the monitor went black.

OK I have a question based on some RP with my villain group.

Keeping this in the simplest of terms... How would Lord Recluse react to a MAJOR villain assault on Paragon City? In my VG's case we're talking 4 meyhem mishes in a row run with the entore map cleared in each case.

The general concensus elsewhere on the forums was as long as he had plausible deniability, he wouldn't care & would probably be happy with it. HOWEVER, in my group's case the offenders were all essentially Arachnos poster children/flag wavers. Addenda here; they also RP'ed the raids as exceptionally violent; wanting to send a message to the city. This tied things directly to Recluse, and my assumption is he'd be... rather upset over it. My reasoning being that while he IS extremely powerful, he knows that he & the Rogue Isles couldn't withstand a major counterstrike/invasion lead by heroes. Wanton wholesale destruction tied directly to him risks a reaction similar to that immediately following 9/11.

Is my reasoning sound here, or is Recluse less of a chess player and more of an egomaniac than I'm perceiving?

Good points.

If I knew an easy way to get ahold of the Devs like Manti, I sure would.

I guess part of the issue here was something I overlooked... Plausible deniability DOES indeed excuse a TON of villainous activity. If Recluse can say "I know nothing about it.", then the point made here by multiple people is dead on valid. Why would he care under those conditions.

HOWEVER... The very big wrinkle in my VG's case is the two brutes. One was transformed by Mu magic due to her Mu ancestry and is a known Arachnos agent. The bigger problem comes with the second brute however. I had a feeling this character concept was going to be a problem, but I hate stepping on other people's RP and character concepts. Instead I prefer to just let em live with the consequences of what they play and try to be reasonable there.

OK I'm rambling. Point is, the second brute was set up as a huge flag waver for Arachnos. Cross Super-Girl with a Captain America kind of symbolism only for Arachnos, and make her a bit of a self-righteous violent brat, and you get the idea. Her involvement, particularly in such a brutal way, throws a HUGE glowing "I did it" sign around Arachnos's neck.

This is almost a silly discussion to be having here, BUT I still want other opinions. The problem I'm dealing with is my VG is an actual Arachnos military unit, not a freelance team of Destined Ones. Because of that, they naturally interact a bit more with the Arachnos brass a bit more than other teams might.

That leads to my problem... Several times during RP I've gotten "X wouldn't say/do that!"

I think my views on how the Arachnos brass reacts are fairly accurate & I'm basing my views on reading all teh comics, the info at the CoH main site and ParagonWiki as well. I tend to put a madern age interpretation on character reactions and how others would respond to them too. Example; if Arachnos completely wiped out a large city somewhere, there'd be a post 9/11 type reaction and possibly multinational retaliation. Recluse and Arachnos are powerful but not THAT powerful (yet), SO Recluse refrains from acting like Mako.

Here's my post on our guildportal forums. I'm asking people here for teh same kind of feedback I'm asking the VG for, so we can set some agreed upon standards of how the brass will react if a character goes completely berserk or something.

Essentially what this comes down to is we need to have an agreed upon outlook/understanding of how the powers that be within Arachnos will react to given situations. This will hopefully put a stop to the minor problems hanging up RP lately. Here's MY take on each of the big 5:

Lord Recluse:
We all know he's a Darwinist. How strong of one is VERY debatible however. If you look at his origin on the official CityofHeroes.com site, it points out when he got his powers, he saw his destiny as being to bring a new golden age of humanity with technology. Of course, he also did very shortly after that realize that the weak were bugs to be squished under his heel (when he snapped the neck of the guy who tried to rescue him). The fact that Arachnos does have very advanced technology is indication of his intelligence too. Shame that sanity and intelligence are NOT connected, lol.

He's clearly smart enough to know he can't take on the entire world at once, and understands the value of cunning and guile. That's shown by his grandeous plans in the comic books and game backstory. Despite having the power of a god, he spent decades setting up his takeover of Arachnos and taking over the Rogue Isles. Long story short, I see Recluse as sort of like Doctor Doom, only more malevolent. Doom is shown to actually love Latveria, his ego just won't allow him to see that anyone else's decisions would be right for it. Recluse on the other hand, I think sees Arachnos and the citizens of the Rogue Isles as simply cattle and cogs in the machine of his goals.


Ghost Widow:
She's a fairly two dimensional character on the surface. She claims to be an emotionless ghost stuck in her state of being at the time of her death; a ruthless and efficient Arachnos assassin incredibly loyal to the organization and having some degree of caring for the Wolf Spider that became Wretch. Obviously, she's full of crap about her emotional state however. There are multiple arcs in game where she tries desperately to return herself to life. How much is a mask or how emotionally limited she is in her undead state are definitely open for debate however. None the less, she seems to have 3 main focuses at this point; Serve Arachnos, Maintain her standing in Lord Recluse's eyes, and Return herself to life. Anything she does is going to be based on those 3 things as far as I can see.


Mako:
Essentially a two dimensional character. He's the playground bully taken to the violent extreme. There's little in-game with him trying to challenge Recluse, so he seems to know his place there, but beyond that he simply seems to live for showing he's the most brutal & effective killing machine around. Anything that can help that role/image is good, anything that challenges it is to be squashed, brutally.


Scirocco:
Probably the most complex character of the leadership. He's definitely a villain and willing to take an "ends justify the means" approach. He however does have some sense of honor and believes goals can be accomplished without excessive savagery. He's certainly not Robin Hood, but he's not the Red Skull or Recluse either. The main thing that seems to prevent classifying him as a solid villain is his patron arc where he tries to re-write the world to erase all villains from the world. He was trying to atone for his past, and went on at a few points about how the Mantle of Scirocco cursed him. LONG story short, his reactions/goals will probably be to further Arachnos's goals but in the least brutal way possible. How he'd react if given a chance at redemption now is iffy. For the sake of RP peace, I'd avoid presenting that possibility within the game at any point


Black Scorpion:
Probably the character I'm least familiar with of the leadership. Essentially he seems to be a thug motivated by acquiring personal power and proving his pwer armor is the toughest out there, so that he can win acknowledgement/rewards from Lord Recluse. Give him somebody to beat up or a new tech toy and he's a happy camper.

OK, so anybody see anything different?


Truthfully what brought this up as a necessity in my mind was a heated discussion about how Recluse would react to the VG literally trashing half of Paragon. A couple of the toons had Meyhems saved up, so 4 different Meyhems were run in a row. EVERYTHING was cleared on the maps too. Not a cardboard box was spared, lol. So that's half teh city getting leveled and tons of cops & longbow pulped. What I think pushed it over the top was the two brutes on the team got REALLY savage. THey played human baseball with a lamp post and cops, etc... to show everybody how strong and ruthless they were. They wanted it all on TV news too. My interpretation of how Recluse would react was that part of him would love seeing Paragon City brought to it's knees like that, but at the same time he sure as hell doesn't want a retaliation attack of an army of US heroes backed by a few divisions of Longbow. He chewed them out, told them to control themselves from now on and essentially left it at that.

Anybody think that was an unfair portrayal, esp given the over the top actions of the brutes and the reaction it could provoke?

Good advice in both cases. Yes she did farm a bit at first, any farming she does now will be VERY secondary to RPing and running missions with my SG however.

I could shoot myself for missing Volcanic Gases now. I could have swore it was a PBAoE not a targeted, and I have a thing about letting a huge mob get close enough to pound my face in before I slap holds on, lol. That combined with a couple of attacks from the Earth Epic pool should balance her out nicely and up her survival greatly.

And yeah, on the Thermal secondary, I took Warmth (the default level 1 starter heal), the two shield powers, Forge, Heat Exhaustion and Melt Armor. All the nice buffs and debuffs. The other few powers that were essentially duplicates of Empathy set powers I figured fell more to the role of any Defenders on the team to handle.

Anybody has any further advice I'll be checking this thread a few more times over the next day or so.

OK, just looking for some opinions here...

I have a Stone/Thermal troller. She's a great debuffer, and using Forge and the two shields on the Animate Stone along with throwing Melt Armor and other debuffs at baddies makes her a monster support toon and good at soloing very small mobs.

She's level 44 though, and I'm trying to decide what to do to toughen her up. She has Tough, and just got Rock Armor. They sort of fit with her backstory/concept. But her defense still stinks, since they only cover Smashing and Lethal damage.

So do I shift her to a different Epic Pool for better defense, or drop it completely and add a few extra control/offensive powers? I have all of the Stone set except volcanic gasses and Salt Crystals. Most of what she has on the Thermal set is the two shields and the debuffs.

Either way, she needs better protection OR to be able to kill faster/control large mobs a bit better. In a large team the problem isn't TOO bad, but in a small team or solo, she's an aggro monster from hell with those stone Immobolizes. Honestly I'm leaning towards just dropping the defensive powers and adding one more control and some offense from the Epic Poool. Outside of the Animate Stone, she has the (figurative) DPS of a level 6 scrapper and it drives me nuts.

OK, just looking for some opinions here...

I have a Stone/Thermal troller. She's a great debuffer, and using Forge and the two shields on the Animate Stone along with throwing Melt Armor and other debuffs at baddies makes her a monster support toon and good at soloing very small mobs.

She's level 44 though, and I'm trying to decide what to do to toughen her up. She has Tough, and Just got Rock Armor. They sort of fit with her backstory/concept. But her defense still stinks, since they only cover Smashing and Lethal damage.

So do I shift her to a different Epic Pool for better defense, or drop it completely and add a few extra control/offensive powers? I have all of the Stone set except volcanic gasses and Salt Crystals. Most of what she has on the Thermal set is the two shields and the debuffs.

Either way, she needs better protection OR to be able to kill faster/control large mobs a bit better. In a large team the problem isn't TOO bad, but in a small team or solo, she's an aggro monster from hell with those stone Immobolizes.

Well it happened to me too. I was going to remake a toon, deleted it and poof my character slot is gone.

This shoddy bug-ridden nonsense every time a new issue comes out is stupid. That's what the beta testing they drag out is supposed to be for. I don't even want to know why my character slots are linked to the store either so that I lose them when it goes down. >(

OK, finally logged out of the game long enough to switch over to XP...

*is NOT an addict.. really* <_< >_>

ANYWAY... Yes, setting the shader settings onto high will give the effects I was commenting on seeing while using Windows 7

This shouldn't be too hard for anybody to do either, systems requirement wise. I'm running a sort of old system now:

AMD 5200+ Dual Core CPU
ATI 4650 1 gig video card
2 gigs of RAM

Give it a try, everyone. Some if the textures at that level are absolutely amazing. It looks like a totally different game vs the lower settings.

Well, again I'll try tinkering with the XP partition's copy of COX later tonight and report what happens.

I suspected it was a game setting though, because the devs have no reason to push out a game upgrade for an OS that hasn't even been officially released yet.

And I think part of what helped Windows 7 is that there's an option in it to benchmark your computer, so that Win 7 can help your programs decide what settings to use.

It's the same box, I just have it on a dual boot setup, SOOOOO.... based on your input, I'd say it's likely that Windows 7 is probably just smarter at detecting optimim settings for the game. I'll have to tweak with the settings on the XP version of the game and see if I can get the settings comparible to how it runs on Windows 7

I went with the default settings in both cases

Not a bug, just a question here... I'm one of the lucky ones who's going to college at a Microsoft Certified college as an IT student, so I already have a final retail release of Windows 7.

As a side note, I absolutely LOVE it too. For me, COX is A LITTLE less stable than on XP, but that's the only knock I have for it.

ANYWAY, back to the topic at hand. Running CoX on Windows 7, I've noticed a HUGE improvement in graphics quality in the game vs playing it on XP. A few examples:

Shields and Arachnos helmets & shoulder armor have a great lookeing highly polished metal look to them.
The Rikti and Positron have lighted effects on their power armor.
The Arachnos flyers have large sections illuminated with strobing red lights.

Those are just the biggest examples. I'm noticing improved textures in alot of other areas too; costume pieces, Arachnos bases, etc...

So what I'm trying to figure out here is, is this due to something unique to Windows 7, or is it something other players can jump on to improve their game play as well, like Direct X 10? I have a dual boot system and tried playing on XP last night, and the game looked like crap by comparison. And no, I don't have Direct X 10 on my XP partition yet.

I'll agree with Scooby_Don't (and Ellis among others) that RP should be all about letting everybody be fee to be their own character. I could get into a few side rants here but it'll detract.

My (perhaps poorly illustrated) original point was simply frustration that people don't have any concept of consequences. One of the things I mentioned was the VG member that tried to play games with the demon girl regarding the deal (bet actually) that they made. HE thought he was being cute that he was seeing how far he could yank her chain and refused to see that the demon girl simply wanted the bet paid off per agreement. Bottom line since he saw it that way, everybody else should too. *sigh*

NO concept of consequences or differing views.

The SWG example I think was great comedy &amp; RP btw. MY situations are more along the lines of "Why'd you throw me into the wall. I only kicked you in the nuts and it was self defense"

God no it wasn't the D. That place is a total freakshow.

This has been normal RP sessions with people in SGs I've gone through since coming to Virtue. I've dealt with everything from a tank in one SG saying it was her RP style to play and build the tank like a scrapper with terminal scrapper lock (repeatedly wiping her teams), and yet still always insisted on being the main tank for anything SG related (instead of taking a secondary scrapper type role more appropriate for their build and play style), to most recently a VG member who tried to screw a demon character on a pact that was made and didn't understand why the demon would be upset.

Added note here, if a player has no clue an action will provoke a bad response from one of my characters, I try to politely explain to them why OOC'ly while still leaving them the choice to continue of do a small retcon.

I'm kind of curious how many other people have had to deal with this. I've had other RP issues since coming to virtue server, but this specific issue seems to factor into the other stuff to at least some degree.

To get to the point, I seem to end up all to frequently dealing with people who assume that my characters are supposed to think and act exactly like theirs.

Simple and made up example: Character X puts a spider on Character Y's shoulder, thinking this is great comedy. Y is deathly afraid of spiders, and chews out X for stupid behavior. X's player seems clueless as to what provoked the reaction

/e facepalm

I've studied communication. I can't claim to be great at it, YET, I do understand the concept that deliberately doing something a person (or character) dislikes is NOT going to provoke a positive reaction. I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for others however.

Sooooo... How common is this for others here and how do you handle it?

This prob could easily apply to an any Primary/Kin controller I guess, but my toon is a Fire/Kin.

So the situation is that this is turning out to be the most exhausting toon I've played now that I've gotten her to higher levels.

Tossing smoke &amp; the other holds, trying to use all the Kin powers on enemies too, keeping the fire monkeys up and making sure everybody has SB &amp; Increase Density up... It's a severe workout. More than any defender or tank I've played.

I *do* manage to do it all. Usually by throwing a few fire or kin powers at baddies, then SB/ID on one teammate, then repeating the entire pattern, moving down the list to the next teammate for the buffs. etc... That seems to sort of work.

I know some trollers only buff the main tank, or forget about SB altogether, etc... I figure my job on a team is to contribute the maximum amount I can bring however.

Any suggestions for making this a bit easier? Macro chaining powers perhaps?

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The whole thing sounds fishy. If this character were such an obvious problem, why is it that it was fine and dandy to be around through all five anniversary badges (Which I saw that the character has)? Yeah, I get that somebody has to report it and some slip through the cracks, but slip through for FIVE YEARS? This sort of thing has gotten bad everywhere of late, all it takes is a report and since nobody wants to spend the time to investigate, they just err on the side of caution.

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Exactly my point. I used to empathize with the devs too. I remember ish 2 on Victory server when the whole of underneath Atlas's statue used to be nothing but Galaxy Rangers standing around. I remember blatant Marvel &amp; DC ripoffs too. THAT is copyright infringement. ANYTHING in passing now though is getting old, esp when there are known griefers on some of the servers.

Well, maybe I can get the player to post the emails back and forth between the GMs &amp; her. Proly just be an excuse to ban both of us and dlete this post however

The generic-ing is bad enough. 76% of the toons out there havea passing resemblance to SOMEBODY in comics. I respect coptright protection, but there are griefers on Virtue in particular that use this tactic to harrass people that they dont like, are jealus of a better tribute toon or just want to steal the idea themselves.