Standoff

You may be confusing roles; GR's Community Team Lead, which means (amongst other things) he interacts with the CoX community (i.e. us!), on the board and elsewhere, and passes information between us and the development team over in the US. He may well be in the loop as far as decision making on game/trial restrictions are concerned.

The people in NCNC are the ones that have the tools and knowledge to be able to get their hands dirty and actually implement any changes the appropriate people decide to make.

When you say "its a shame that instead of red names doing something about the problems they are on here posting reprimands" it sounds like you think GR should hop over to his coding terminal, make a few changes to the game code in line with the posts we've made over the last few hours, and upload it to the training room for testing.

It doesn't work like that; moderating boards is part of GR's job, and his doing so won't hold up the development team.

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Oh yes, understood, and in itself that's not something I wanted to dwell on.

It just seemed unreasonable to me that rocknrollrebel was accusing GR of trying to clamp down on criticism itself, which wasn't what he was doing at all.

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So now looking at this thread most of the people that have posted on it that were in general agreement that the trial account restrictions are not the best way forward for the game or the community are now all argueing amongst themselves about how the points are being worded. Surely the most relevent point at the moment is that the points are being worded and we should be showing a united stand in getting things changed rather than a bickering rabble that goes off the subject into the obscure loses the whole thread and in the end achieves nothing more than people wasting there time.

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Is that another way of saying "I was wrong in accusing GR of reprimanding the OP for his views, but would rather change the subject than admit it"?

I'm sure our various views are being noted by GR, who clearly has his eye on the thread; if there's a majority view (as there seems to be, but not exactly unanimous IMHO) that will be picked up too.

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Nice to see a red name posting on here its a shame its only to reprimand the OP for posting his views, oh and then doing it again too.

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Read GR's post again; it doesn't say the general subject of the OP was an issue at all, and GR explicitly welcomed constructive criticism.

Any reprimand was down to the wording used, which was damn close to an insult and bordering on a EULA infraction.

Erm, aren't posts like that what this entire forum's for?

See numerous "Dark Control", "Kickboxing", etc... powerset suggestion threads...

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Perhaps I'm an optimist, but I sincerely think we're in for one hell of a surprise with I13, and I want the devs to get it right.

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*giggles* You have no idea .


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Noooooo, he's playing with our minds agaaaaain!!!

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Which is why we have Vengeance.

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Edited for the hell of it.

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Oh my god...
How dare he anti-nerf Invuln like that? It's an outrage and melee chars are now surely doomed!

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It's all a matter of perspective; if he buffs Invul then all the other sets are effectively getting worse when compared to it.

Curses upon you and your nerf-factory, Castle!

I think it'll have to be in the future, if it happens at all.

Unless it's something you can sort via Ouroboros.

The Alpha Strike isn't a specific attack as such; it's what happens when the first toon catches the attention of a group of foes, and they all unload their first (hence "alpha") attack on him at once. For large groups of foes that can be a huge pile of damage.

The reason Willpower's particularly vulnerable to alpha strikes is that its main survival method's to regenerate damage, and even that only happens when they're close to mobs. As regeneration doesn't cope well with heavy bursts of damage (unlike defence or resistance-based sets, which can stop the damage impacting in the first place), that's bad news for WP types. The fact that the alpha usually lands before they're up close to the mobs and the regen's actually kicked in in the first place is just icing on the cake.

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More movement

It seems odd that AV's are generally happy to stand arround in one place, or even if they move, it's not that fast.


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Heehee - have you faced some of the villain-side AVs? I'm thinking Ghost of Scrapyard in particular.

That craven "monster" runs like a girlie at near enough first contact, and keeping up with him well enough to maintain damage is a real struggle. Persuading him not to run into ferry drones or the Black Market, vaporise himself and deny everyone the badge can be quite the challenge too...

Sounds like the original toon may be stuck; if it hasn't become available by (say) 10am it's probably best to raise a petition (via one of the toons that's still working) for it.

Be sure to make the name and server of the stuck toon clear in the petition!

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Some (mainly the PvPers, unsurprisingly) seem to think it's an agreement to actively participate in PvP.

Others (the badge/temp hunters, natch) regard it more as an acknowledgment that they're fair game, but not an obligation to do something they don't want to.

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They prey's intentions are of no consequence, when you enter the Zone it warns you that you can be attacked, it says nothing about your own actions.

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I'm good with that; most, if not all, non-PvPers seem to be good with it too.

AFAICS Leif and a few others do think we're obliged to do something we don't want to (i.e. fight back), though.

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Good Sportsmanship is not forcing some one with inferior stats to compete with you just so you can get your own jollies.


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I think that's where the fundamental disagreement is; just what agreeing to this "competition" involves.

Some (mainly the PvPers, unsurprisingly) seem to think it's an agreement to actively participate in PvP.

Others (the badge/temp hunters, natch) regard it more as an acknowledgement that they're fair game, but not an obligation to do something they don't want to.


As I'm sure you've guessed, I fall into the second camp. In favour of that argument I'll point out this is a game I pay money to play, so I feel at liberty to ignore any bits of it I don't enjoy.

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I worded that carefully, Standoff. It was directed at anyone who was whinging, and it's up to them to decide whether they were or not.

Crafty, see?

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So much so they could put whiskers on you can call you a weasel.

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A PVE build can't defeat a PVP build so why even bother trying when you have gone there for PVE reasons?

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Does a hunter ask the rabbit if he is interrupting his own agenda before he blows his head off??? em, no.

Therefore i don't care for your reasons of why you are in the Zone all i know is that its rabbit season :P

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I take it you do this because your a...

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And so the thread goes down the plughole most PvP ones tend to...

IBTL

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Those of you who are whinging about being attacked repeatedly in PvP zones when only there for PvE content:

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Um, actually Stase, while I haven't done a full re-read of the thread I don't recall any of "us PvEers" whinging about being attacked repeatedly.

AFAICS most or all of us are saying "we realise that if we enter the zone, we're fair game".

If anyone's whinging, it's a few PvPers who seem to be offended that we don't fire off a few ineffective attacks before going down to inevitable defeat.

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Can you honestly say you've never once seen another player and wondered how much damage one of your attacks could do? Taken a sneaky shot at someone, because you thought/knew you wouldn't get caught? Put your shields up to protect you in case you do get targetted?

The last one's the most likely, and that counts as PvPing. You're protecting yourself, the same way those childish PvPers do.

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I can only speak for myself, but I can honestly say I've never once seen another player and wondered how much damage one of my attacks could do.

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Actual PvPing doesn't appeal to me in the slightest though, so even if I do encounter someone that's determined to have a go I won't be hitting back.

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Then, frankly, you're being a poor sport.

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Really? My builds are thoroughly unoptimised for PvP, and I myself have next to zero experience of it. My engaging any proper PvPer would be like an out of shape office worker engaging a professional boxer in the ring, and have an equally certain outcome.

If you want my outmatched toon to flail around ineffectively for a while before being taken down, I don't think it's me that's the poor sport.

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No, in entering a PvP zone you've acknowledged that you're open to PvP attacks (not that you have any choice).

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Yes, "signing up for PvP."

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No. That's not what I said, or meant.

On the rare occasions I enter a PvP zone it's to pick up some temp power or the other for PvE use. I recognise that in entering the zone I'm fair game to anyone that wants to have a pop at me, and won't complain if someone does (I generally go in early Sunday mornings to reduce the chances of this happening, mind).

Actual PvPing doesn't appeal to me in the slightest though, so even if I do encounter someone that's determined to have a go I won't be hitting back.

If the devs wanted people to enter PvP zones for absolutely nothing but pure PvP they presumably wouldn't have added temp powers that could be taken out and used back in PvE.

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That doesn't oblige you to go out and hit people though,

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PvP zones are intended for competitive play. When we enter an area set aside for a game, common courtesy, not the EULA, obliges us to take at least some part in the game or stay out. To insist on entering the game area but refuse to take part in the game at all is being a spoilsport.

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IMHO not; you enter the zones for your reasons, I enter them for mine.

Along similar lines some people might enter PvE zones and only be interested in team play, while I might want to solo; there too I wouldn't think it reasonable for them to expect me to do something I don't want to just to give them a better time.

As I mentioned above, PvP zones were designed with takeaway goodies - I'll go in and make myself a target to get them, but am only interested in getting them and leaving. I won't ask you to change your "go in and hit people" playstyle, and in return it'd be nice if you don't ask me to change my different one.

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No, in entering a PvP zone you've acknowledged that you're open to PvP attacks (not that you have any choice).

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The choice bit comes from actually entering the zone.

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Exactly.

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Or are you saying we should join in with any sport we encounter in life? Even if we find it pointless, unfun or even distasteful?

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When you've signed up for the sporting event, yes. And for PvP you sign up for PvP by entering the zone.

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No, in entering a PvP zone you've acknowledged that you're open to PvP attacks (not that you have any choice).

That doesn't oblige you to go out and hit people though, any more than logging in to the game and opening yourself to chat and team invites obliges you to answer back or join teams.

Details here; I won't try to cut and paste, as the table formatting will probably go all wonky.

OK, one month's rise does not a trend make, and it's not clear what EU numbers are doing within the overall headcounts, so there's still scope for a bit of "woe is us" speculation if anyone's in the mood.

Even so, up is better than down for the stats we can see!

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I personally used to enjoy tp'ing other players to mobs and holding them there while the mobs kill them.

However, I don't do it that much these days - unless I'm bored. I considered this bad form but I just can't help myself. I am a bad man!

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I thought deliberately TPing people in to mobs to cause them debt was officially considered griefing?

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IIRC doing so repeatedly was (in the same way that almost any flavour of repeatedly picking on the same toon was griefing), but as long as you're not going overboard mobs are classed as usable zone features.

Click "My Home" from the top of the page, then the "Edit" to the right of "Personal information, email, password, etc." from the Main Configuration bit at the bottom of the page that takes you to.

At the bottom of the next page there's a bit about setting an URL to your avatar; the avatar's your picture, and you'll need to upload it somewhere like PhotoBucket so you have a URL to feed to the setup page.

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*sniff sniff*

I smell copyright infringement. Tread carefully.

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AFAIK the ELE aren't copyrighted, nor are any members.

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Go to the movie here: http://www.drhorrible.com/mushortio.html

Fast forward to around 42:00 and you'll find the credits saying "Copyright 2008 TimeScience BloodClub LLC. All rights reserved.". Further details follow, but I think you get the idea...