Stalk_obot_EU

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My stalker seems to be pretty much retired for the same reasons listed above, he is only broken out if there are some fun/decent/annoying players who just have to be killed

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I take this moment to thank you for breaking your stalker out last night, I had great fun in Sirens with my blaster. It was practically my first long PVP session and I liked it

Earlier on, the zone control seemed to shift to heroes completely after my arrival, but later there were so many stalkers about that fighting became quite challenging

Obivously stalkers had a score to settle with my blaster, getting triple ASed in the back at one point hehe..

As before, I havent perceived stalkers to be particularly troublesome, I wish there were more players of OTHER ATs as well though. Some ATs may need boosting in PVP while stalkers dont necessarily need nerfing. Stalkers CAN be a pain in large numbers, but that would apply to several other ATs as well. Imo fighting two robot/ff MMS at once is tougher than fighting 5 stalkers, Id say..

I dont think I was one-shotted more than once last night, which makes 2 times in total. I think its because I dont stand still long enough for stalkers to get both buildup and AS off.. I think thats ok for someone whose only defense is combat jumping and insp tray..

I have to admit I kept broadcast hidden away most of the time so I don't know if there were many moaners about, but I wasnt one of the moaners, believe me In general there will always be moaners, but ruling out broadcast usually helps a lot However, we should try to make a difference between kids who think they are ubah in PVP with their stalkers straight outta the box, and PVE people who just cannot get into PVP and thus are moaning. The latter people need helping out, not getting laughed at.

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When I turned up there were 2 stalkers there, a friend who could be seen as didnt have stealth yet and another who didnt have status protection below 30 and the going was very tough. I did a quick run through my friends list and we ended up with 6 stalkers (not sure why I couldnt find any other ATs )and it became a lot of fun, the hero side worked very well together and the stalkers died plenty of times. You played your blaster well for a relatively new pvp outing as it was mainly down to you that i had to call in the reserves

Broadcast is a two edged sword, i like to chat and have fun with my friends on both sides but it only takes one soiling the airways to ruin the mood for all.

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Cant you AS a flying hero or something?

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oh yes

Gratz

My stalker seems to be pretty much retired for the same reasons listed above, he is only broken out if there are some fun/decent/annoying players who just have to be killed

certainly saw this coming as in pvp they could attack with minimal risk and was totally unbalanced when taking into effect other MM secondaries

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It has happend, it roots you on test server.

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wow they did that fast, cuppajos post on the US forums made it sound like it was hard to fix, I.E. its requires work so may get around to doing it someday

Whats next? a hami raid on defiant where the server doesnt crash?

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Whirlwind I believe. And that particular bug is being corrected.

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no, they are thinking about the possibility of changing it, it was not a bug and was by design as backed up by statesman

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Ah, I was working off the PMs from _Castle_ in THIS US forum thread which indicate that the dev team view the power's current unrooting functionality as not being intended.

EDIT: All I can find from Statesman about Whirlwind is this quote from back in April of last year:

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Statesman, could you tell us then why anyone would want Super speed?

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One - to get around town VERY quickly.
Two - to get Hasten - one of the Best Pool Powers.
Three - to get Whirlwind - an attack that's very underrated

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that was what i was referring too, i find it hard to beleive he would recommend and bring attention to a "bugged" power. It just no longer fits in todays dynamics

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Whirlwind I believe. And that particular bug is being corrected.

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no, they are thinking about the possibility of changing it, it was not a bug and was by design as backed up by statesman

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Agreed, but what chance do we have at range where SS can cover that before our animations finish? And most of our attacks will miss..using up three powers to do nothing?

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WW eliminates animations

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ye but who i am shouldnt get me killed so much in a plaec where there is a time limit between bounty kills/rep kills etc (sirens mainly talking), just cuz i know near enough the whole server dont mean 99% gankage should happen

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Why not? Take it as a compliment. People see you as the biggest threat in a team, so they take you out first. Surely this means that you're doing your job well?

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exactly the case which is why Freon, elerith, Xanthus, TG and others are big walking bullseyes.

Dont resign from it, just break for a month or so

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YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY someone that actually has the ability to make a different stalker build!!

*points at all the claws/spines /nin/sr freaks out there for a simple and VERY boring life*


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*cough* Do you really think my build isnt 'different'? It certainly isnt simple

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ok 2 of the lions just duo'd lusca and theres no way that can be solo'd since i5

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Imaginary on defiant has

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You skip a lot of AoE's which are good in PvE, but either takes too much endurance, have too long an animation time or does bad single target damage.

Trollers who are pure PvP skip AoE holds.

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Remembered another one, blasters Nova attacks. Absoltuely useless in PvP but a god send in PvE

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Nope. Novas rock in 8 vs. 8 fights.

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herd spiderlings, fulcrum shift those with nukes watch them run off and have some fun

pfft the eula is so vague and open to individual interpretation that something that is bad one day may not be the next. Lets be clear, the EULA is nothing set in stone and deliberately so which is a little weak imo.

XP and debt in these zones is a VERY bad idea, it means there is no easy introduction to PVP zones for new players and they have little incentive to learn the enjoyment of pvp.

Thermals are very underrated in COV imo, you hardly see any of them about. Forge is a great buff, how can you go wrong with 157% acc and 75% damage bonus which can be perma?

Lets get something organised, my Ice/kin is ready

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Maybe you'll have more luck in a different PvP zone? Don't know if you've expored this option or not. Just a thought...

If that doesn't work either you can always bribe me to go into one of the pvp zones with ya. That usually results in a horde of heroes screaming "It's Gany lets beat him to a bloody pulp!" Within seconds you'll see 8 or so heroes around my corpse, then just take your pick and go to town

Tyl and Frazzle bashing ftw !!

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And villains too in warburg

oh and happy birthday Gand

whirlwind eliminates rooting atm

nothing wrong with the word n00b, in fact its how I refer to all my friends here Its unlikely I would ever refer to anyone I wasnt on good terms as such though

All about attitude and respect imo, I wouldnt interfere in a duel personally but then I have my self appliced ethics thatI adhere to but these are certainly not a pvp requirement

That said if a group were watching and I knew them, I would probable drop down and start killing them and we would all have a laugh about it, its often not what you do but how you do it.

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For the record I dont see buff buff buff followed by a blapper doing BU/Aim/Bonesmasher almost exclusively as fun either, omg yeah sometimes he throws another power but the start is always the same

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Where's the problem with this technique? Are empaths not supposed to buff people now? And I suppose that bone smasher is a banned move as well? For the record, Imaginary rarely uses aim+bu together.

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No problem with it at all but extremus was saying that my tactics wasn’t “fun” so I replied in kind. As for aim and BU, I saw him charge both a number of times in Warburg yesterday, both smashing down others in the zone and trying to chase down my kinetic. Fortunatly my kinetic is speed personified

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perhaps you would glean a better insight into my play by going in the pvp zones solo (clearly not on your emp) or you are more than welcome to tag along on the villains side.

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Except that we enjoy team PvP more. I used to PvP a lot solo on my stalker, but I found it slow and boring (I'm not saying it is, mind, it just wasn't enjoyable for me). Unfortunately our SG rarely plays villains so we don't actually have anyone around the right level for sirens.

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I agree with you, lvling my stalker is a painful process (due in part to his build) to such an extent that when I load him I always end up leaving him in a pvp zone. That said I don’t really play him in pvp that often anymore, hes all killed to death On a side note if any of you want to get villains lvling then shoot me a tell, I am more than happy to assist and have a pretty good infrastructure for fast lvling.

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As for BFs, the amount of holds I saw thrown at you, over periods of time, and didnt take leads me to suspect you are not entirely accurate in your recollection especially given that you dont have acrobatics in your build. 3xBF gives you 270 seconds of protection and holds were throw at you almost continuously over a much larger period of time.

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Do you play with "supress player FX" on? I wasn't there at the time, but it's possible that extremus was held and you just weren't seeing the block of ice or whatever. I get it all the time in PvP as well.

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No, I am well aware of the graphic suppression especially in PVP, I can tell if a person is held or not by the way they stop moving Something which neither player did

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zzzz, cookie cutter is certainly an applicable term.

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See, there's one thing I hate. Those two words, "Cookie cutter". Extremus has anything but a cookie cutter build on his empath, and Imaginary wrote the current cookie cutter build on ice/nrg blappers.

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I also hate the term and yet it is applicable, extremus’s build is nothing out of the ordinary even for a pve empathy but that wasn’t my point. Imaginary may have made his concept all on his own but no, he didn’t write the current cookie cutter build as there is always someone ahead of the game and goes nuts over it, like getting to lvl 50 in 2 weeks after EU launch. I would consider such a statement arrogant if coming from the player himself to be honest, my Stalkers build is somewhat unique, at least considering the norm but I wouldn’t say I was the only one or even that I came up with it first. I did however come up with it on my own. I do not however disagree that Freon has more than likely inspired huge numbers of similar builds due to his prominence and effectiveness.

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, Hmm I guess I could take myself and another lvl 50 to bloody bay and issue a challange for hoardes of unslotted, DOd up lvl 15s to take us down but I just dont see that as fun, takes all sorts I guess

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When have we ever done this? Apart from maybe the first day of PvP in Bloody Bay, when we were on our villians, we've never made a point of hunting down low-level unslotted guys on purpose. If your name is orange, we'll attack you. Isn't that the point of PvP? It's not like we're discriminating.

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I was being pedantic and using an extreme scenario, I wasn’t suggesting that any of you actually did it, it was past 3am in the morning

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The only time it really gets boring is when the zone has one or two stalkers in it who don't seem to actually be doing anything.

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My stalker is always doing something (unless I am chatting, but then that’s still something )

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Personally I derive my fun from having a laugh with all players, being friendly, helping people and I am one of the very few players who will swap sides to help out the underdog side, help equalise and try to get some fun pvp going. Oh and in case you didnt know I consider "fun" pvp to be equalish teams, all getting kills and jokes and light hearted banter going across broadcast. You know, that way everyone has fun.

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Well, we would switch sides but, as I said earlier, none of us have villains that could PvP. The way you say this stuff makes it sound like we don't help people, that we just come into the PvP zones and get all "OMG N00B, PWNED LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!" which just isn't true. We enjoy even PvP as much as everybody in the zone. It's just a shame that the zone isn't evenly balanced very often (the other night in warburg, towards the start, seemed pretty balanced, for example).

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Nope you certainly don’t fill the airwaves with that kind of l33t crap and I have respect for your courteousness in this manner. However, and this is all conjecture on my part, I don’t understand why you guys don’t have great villain pvp characters that you could switch too, I understand personal preference in the game you play but for a pvp SG it would make sense to me to have these characters there, if for nothing else, than to test specific strategies and tactics against each other. As I am sure you are all well aware there isn’t exactly a balanced cross section in the arena or zones. See, now I am making assumptions on your behalf which is wrong of me but I cant help but suspect that you have your great pvp strategies and builds set up to such an extent that they are now ingrained and you are reluctant to venture into the more unchartered waters of the COV builds. Its human nature to hate going from being au fait with something to essentially a beginner again.

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One more thing, why did you not just switch onto your PvP toons if they were doing so well against your "experimental" builds?

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That’s not my place to say, suffice to say my self gimped stalker build is way past the experimental stage.

My replies in this matter may have been curt and less than courteous and for that I do apologise, its lucky that I was semi-coherent at that time of the morning but my initial point still stands, I just didn’t feel that coming on the boards and saying it was funny to dominate sirens with the builds concerned was a particularly magnanimous thing to do especially from such an established pvp player, it wasn’t like “[censored] I went in sirens and totally unexpectedly, me and my mate managed to do this….” You guys are established and do that kind of thing all the time, I just didn’t see why attention was being brought to it (and was factually incorrect as my stalker was one of the villains and was clearly not dominated)

To sum up, I admire you guys (some like Xanthus more than others) your builds, your teamwork and infrastructure, I just didn’t see the initial statement as necessary, accurate or funny. As I have said, this could all be just my perception it was also 3am in the morning and may have latched onto something unnecessarily

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For all the huff and puff about it, there's nothing to stop duellers from a RP view or game point of view, aside from the occasional meandering soul who just wants to fight something, even if it means breaking up that pitched battle between two players with a group standing there, watching...

PVP can either be great fun or painfully boring / pointless right now, and a universal hate of stalkers, unless you play one, isn't enough.

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You love getting ASd fraz :P

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I used maybe two, maybe three BF's. I'm Empathy/, I don't exactly need Respites.

And for the record Stalk-obot, I don't think staying just out of range and using Throw Spines/Impale almost exclusively 'fun'.

And for us, the fun is the challenge of standing toe-to-toe with a larger force. We PvP for a reason, we enjoy it, we enjoy getting the best from our builds and our toons. If we get crushed by better players or numbers, or because we're being silly, we take it in our stride. It's all good!

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For the record I dont see buff buff buff followed by a blapper doing BU/Aim/Bonesmasher almost exclusively as fun either, omg yeah sometimes he throws another power but the start is always the same so I think you can lay off my tactics as you clearly dont know them, perhaps you would glean a better insight into my play by going in the pvp zones solo (clearly not on your emp) or you are more than welcome to tag along on the villains side. I guess "fun" is as subjective as is what can be perceived as bragging.

As for BFs, the amount of holds I saw thrown at you, over periods of time, and didnt take leads me to suspect you are not entirely accurate in your recollection especially given that you dont have acrobatics in your build. 3xBF gives you 270 seconds of protection and holds were throw at you almost continuously over a much larger period of time.

I was perhaps curt in my response to your "funny" story as I felt dominate was the wrong word as it wasnt applicable from my perspective, it wasnt funny (imo) and the outcome was never in doubt with those builds. Couple of defenders or controllers doing the same, sure it would be funny then, but a lvl 50 empath and a /em blapper? zzzz, cookie cutter is certainly an applicable term.

Maybe Im wrong, its certainly possible, and everyone had a huge laugh, perhaps I should regale everyone with tales of how I "pwned" blasters/defenders/controllers/scrappers in sirens but then I dont like to do that, either in the zones or on the boards as it could be perceived as bragging and possibly demoralise people. This is why after killing someone a few times that i dont recognise I stop and take time out of my day to chat, discuss and offer any advice Vs my build that I can.

But anyway i digress, I merely took excpetion to your terminology and how you considered it fun which is now apparantly defined as taking on larger groups, Hmm I guess I could take myself and another lvl 50 to bloody bay and issue a challange for hoardes of unslotted, DOd up lvl 15s to take us down but I just dont see that as fun, takes all sorts I guess Personally I derive my fun from having a laugh with all players, being friendly, helping people and I am one of the very few players who will swap sides to help out the underdog side, help equalise and try to get some fun pvp going. Oh and in case you didnt know I consider "fun" pvp to be equalish teams, all getting kills and jokes and light hearted banter going across broadcast. You know, that way everyone has fun.

Hmm this isnt a very "funny" pvp story either IMO so I do apologise for posting it here

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The more I think about this the worse it seems to me, having to turn on toggles following your alpha strike in battle is not exactly a dynamic set for the stalker AT

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Having passive mez powers isn't anything to sniff at (I can think of a few applications), I just don't know how much longevity /DA would provide for a stalker... but I guess we'll find out.

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I meant the toggles cloak of fear and oppressive gloom having to be off while ASing. I can see it now Vs longbow, AS, go to turn on toggles, get hit by KB. Just doesnt seem suited imo

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Sounds good, I take it there will be a majority of Stalkers?

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Probably not, surprisingly. What I've found is that while stalkers were having the word NERF shouted at them in PvP from day one, it's happening a lot less now and they're becoming less and less effective.

They are a one trick pony and once you know that trick, it's easy to counteract. Give me some ice doms to lay ice patch down and stop the stalker getting close or a couple of members with Tactics pool to increase perception anytime!

TBH, I expect MM's and Stalkers to be the most under represented AT's in a pure PvP VG.

Gravity Doms, Ice/Rad/Kin Corruptors seem to be the ones in CoV that make the difference. 2 or 3 ice corrutpors will make those melee fighter near useless as they stack the AoE slow toggles on them and leave them practising their 'Baywatch slow motion running' while the rest of the team annihilates them

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Stalkers are dead weight in base raids due to the defenses IMO also

on that note Union Kinetique reporting for duty

The more I think about this the worse it seems to me, having to turn on toggles following your alpha strike in battle is not exactly a dynamic set for the stalker AT

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Myself and Imaginary dominating Sirens a few nights back, 2 Heroes vs 8-12 Villains.

Nothing quite like it.

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Now I wouldnt call the fact that you were versus a number of lowish lvl experimental builds while popping copious amounts of inspirations dominating, or for that matter a funny story (guess its all a matter of personal humour), its a feat any can pull off with lvl 50 trays. Doing the same while relying on pure skill and empty trays could possibly raise a smile though.

Oh and I personally killed the two of you far more times than you killed me

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Nope we killed you more, and I didnt use insps.

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Maths says otherwise :P I died twice and both times I had just finished off elerith, now think back to the times you and elerith died from an impale. And if you want to play numbers Stalk died a grand total of 0 times last night in warburg (Vs freon that is, Dark Figment did manage to tag me) while finishing you off 7+ times

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[irish] But like the Murphy's, he's not bitter! [/irish]

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As I said, it must be a personal humour thing as I dont find such an event funny or deserving of bragging rights, the amount of times my stalker (and a specific hero duo) has wiped similar hero (villain) numbers solo is numerous but its not because Im a good pvper, simply the dynamics were not in place to bring me (us) down. I always stop, chat and discus with opponents the best way to bring down my alts as this is part of the game for me, perhaps I am perceiving things the wrong way but I just dont get the "I pwned j00" or the "I must win no matter what" mentality that can be prevailant in the pvp zones. PVP is a game to be savouored and enjoyed with your friends imo