Stalemate

*shakes cane at Knowmad and his badge count.

That's a different way of "getting" it then what I was aiming for by explaining it again, so we'll just end that here and move on.

No worries.


I'll take your word for it. I really have no recollection of this.

Again, apologies if you felt slighted by that.

We did?!

Sorry, I don't recall... I don't even recall having badgehunting events organized through the Praesidium, except for the 400 rep runs and the New Player Welcoming Night's exploration badge tour (that only happened twice) - but those were mostly mine.

My apologies if you felt that way. I know we had friction on other issues, but I was unaware of this one.


We were talking about the PVPEC, along with those others, as one of the reasons players did not flock in droves to Praesidium forums, channel, events. In other words - they had other things to do, PVP being only one of them.

The reasons you probably didn't get much feedback (even after I asked for a GuildPortal alliance with the PVPEC site) was for exactly the same reasons no one else did. People were busy elsewhere and paid little attention to the coalition's activities.

I think I had allowed the PVPEC site access to our "public" section through the GP alliance for shared sections of forums / calendars, but don't remember if it was used or not before it was removed (not by us btw).

If you contacted anyone from the Praesidium re: PVP events, I'm afraid the chain of commmunication died somewhere before it reached the member SGs. I never heard or saw anything besides the PVPEC events proposed through GP, and almost all those came through the shared calendar. I'm pretty sure it wasn't me.


This brings up a good issue to discuss: venues of communications. Pick only a handful. Stick with them. Ensure their use.

Happy Birthday Trickshooter

Here's a bacon cake, to encourage your weight loss even further:

We had a few 1 person SGs when last it was active

there was a full listing on the main page of the website of current and inactive SGs.

Oh, btw - Phantoms of War and Paragon Punishers are now "fused". Both names are kept, but the leadership is common to both.

Just to clarify on Ice's answer: There were no plans originally to make the Praesiidium open to villains. I think that was largely due to my influence actually. I don't play villains and saw this coalition as ... hard to justify villain side given its ideals.

F.U.S.I.O.N. and Praesidium were once closely collaborating on the "blacklist" we kept in our forums. We had been talking about the possibility of making it official that we would confront each other - basically create an archenemy system of our own where those of one group would gleefully hunt down those of the other. In theory, FUSION would have been our dire enemies and that is where we referred anyone looking for somthing similar to the Praesidium, but red-side.

But it didn't happen.

I'm torn as to whether or not to throw my hat in for this round... we'll see. It will probably hang on whether villains are allowed to join or not.

Straight out of Wikipedia:

"The presidium or præsidium (from Latin præsidium meaning protection or defense, so plural presidia or præsidia) is the name for the heading organ of various legislative and organizational bodies. The members of the presidium usually sit on the tribune in front of the main members body."

Also, the latin flavor appealed to us and it was only later that we learned it could possibly be a political reference (socialism). We took it for it's meaning of "committee, or commission" as the concept called for those in leadership to serve the constituent members (SGs and individuals)

If I recall correctly, it took weeks of discussions to agree on a name (my suggestion here) originally.

Quite honestly, when our 3 original SGs decided to form a coalition there was no clear objective that it become Protector's largest open coalition. But when it did start expanding we came up with the precepts you find on the website I linked earlier, to try to keep the original concept working with a larger number of SGs.

Bionexus left the game, and then Fire_Spin became less involved as well, so new leadership was voted in by the member SGs, the precepts were adapted again to better suit everyone (allowing for solo SGs, for example), and we continued adding to our numbers. I think I was one of the only ones who tried to actively recruit some more visible SGs that I thought would be a good fit.

Some worked out, very few did not, others left of their own free will.

Despite the server-wide activities, the unofficial coalition nights organized to run TFs and such, SGs and players became less and less interested in organizing things for others and more demanding of activities they could partake in. A vicious circle.

People said they wanted it to work, wanted to get involved, but the reality of it was much different. Expectancies ran high, while involvement was almost nil.

That, and the indifference from some SG members (my own included, truth be told) created an environment where investing more time, more effort seemed futile - especially since the Jello Shooters channel was doing it already.

I think I'm still OP in there too.

Extreme solution: turn off rep, as I did.

As for the uneducated buffoon that said that, well... well cooked bacon, with the fat drained/sponged off is probably leaner than any fish you'll get in a restaurant.