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Quote:Super Packs Update 2/13/2012 - The NumbersOriginally Posted by Blackleviathan
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Quote:I don't consider a large portion of what is in the packs as a "prize". I consider it "stuff I will not use", and therefore unneeded clutter.Originally Posted by Equation
I'm curious how it is gambling if you are guarenteed a prize at the end of each one, true you have no control over WHICH prize you get.
They are worth more to you or the developers than a dollar, but a lot of us disagree.Quote:Originally Posted by Equation
To me gambling involves you having a chance at not receiving anything at the end. If you spend a dollar to get a pack, you DO GET 5 items. many of which are worth more than that one dollar.
Worth buying in my opinion:- ATOs
- Catalysts
- Costume Parts
- Black Wolf
- Reward Merits (I do Task Forces/trials far more than regular missions. I have plenty of these.)
- Inspirations of any type (yet to use a single one from the Paragon Rewards Program.)
- Enhancement Boosters (yet to use a single one from the Paragon Rewards Program.)
- Enhancement Unslotters (yet to use a single one from the Paragon Rewards Program)
- Windfalls (okay, I've actually used a couple of these from my Paragon Rewards.)
- Prestige Boosters (don't even get me started about these.)
- Revive temp power (I carry wakies.)
- Restore temp power (Day Jobs and I tend to play healers...)
- Experienced temp powers. (I already get 20 per character, and that is enough to last me from 1-50.)
Which wastes my time getting rid of the junk.Quote:Originally Posted by Equation
you also have a mailbox FULL of spiffy new things
The problem is that me not getting what I like is a huge negative to me. That means I lose value for every item I get that I don't like. They don't have any merit to them in my perspective, so I lose money. Money that I would normally use to buy a costume set or a power set. The same goes for the Paragon Rewards Tokens, which I use for the VIP costume sets.Quote:Originally Posted by Equation
You may not get what you like, but you DO GET SOMETHING, please remember that the other rewards have merit to them, in and of themselves.
Nibbled To Death. A buck here, a couple bucks there, and 0.75 another place. It all adds up. There comes a point where it becomes too much. However because of the nature of these purchases, it is easy to lose track and overspend. The developers are actually betting on that with these packs. The number of early adopters plunking down $100 (or more) today would very likely be considered a huge success by business management and marketing. However the other side of that coin is the number of people upset over these packs.Quote:Originally Posted by Equation
I'm not saying everyone needs to drop ever cent on super packs, but if and when you buy one, realize it's just a buck, not even enough to buy you a drink, and look at what it can get you, each and every time.
As my art history teacher once told me, cultural movements are either a positive or negative reaction to an event. Right now, the developers are seeing both, but are favoring the people buying the packs as they directly benefit from the sales. -
Oh, and the reason that the main building isn't a 3D cube is to show what is behind the main building (hospital and a safer from Visicorp to TPN Today behind the main building).
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I thought this might be of some help for players.
http://tinyurl.com/tpn-map-1
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Here is a interior strategy guide to go with the above map:
http://tinyurl.com/tpn-map-2
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The old version can be found here:
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g1...PN-map-old.png -
Quote:Okay, just for you, I'll go in detail.Originally Posted by ph0enix
That doesnt answer his question about the "weight"
They've set up the common table and they weighted it in this way:- One of 8 types of Medium Dual Inspirations.
- One of 8 types of Medium Dual Inspirations.
- One of 8 types of Medium Dual Inspirations.
- One of 8 types of Medium Dual Inspirations.
- One of 8 types of Medium Dual Inspirations.
- One of 8 types of Medium Dual Inspirations.
- One of 8 types of Medium Dual Inspirations.
- One of 8 types of Medium Dual Inspirations.
- One of 6 types of Medium Team Inspirations.
- One of 6 types of Medium Team Inspirations.
- One of 6 types of Medium Team Inspirations.
- One of 6 types of Medium Team Inspirations.
- One of 6 types of Medium Team Inspirations.
- One of 6 types of Medium Team Inspirations.
- One of 4 types of Medium Team Dual Inspirations.
- One of 4 types of Medium Team Dual Inspirations.
- One of 4 types of Medium Team Dual Inspirations.
- One of 4 types of Medium Team Dual Inspirations.
- One of 7 types of Large Dual Inspirations.
- One of 7 types of Large Dual Inspirations.
- One of 7 types of Large Dual Inspirations.
- One of 7 types of Large Dual Inspirations.
- One of 7 types of Large Dual Inspirations.
- One of 7 types of Large Dual Inspirations.
- One of 7 types of Large Dual Inspirations.
- One of 5 types of Large Team Inspirations.
- One of 5 types of Large Team Inspirations.
- One of 5 types of Large Team Inspirations.
- One of 5 types of Large Team Inspirations.
- One of 5 types of Large Team Inspirations.
- One of 3 types of Large Team Dual Inspirations.
- One of 3 types of Large Team Dual Inspirations.
- One of 3 types of Large Team Dual Inspirations.
- Enhancement Unslotter x1
- Enhancement Unslotter x1
- Enhancement Unslotter x1
- Enhancement Unslotter x1
- Enhancement Unslotter x1
- Enhancement Booster x2
- Enhancement Booster x2
- Enhancement Booster x2
- Enhancement Booster x2
- Enhancement Booster x2
- Enhancement Booster x2
- Revival x1
- Revival x1
- Revival x1
- Revival x1
- Revival x1
- Revival x1
- Revival x1
- Revival x1
- Restore x1
- Restore x1
- Restore x1
- Restore x1
- Restore x1
- Restore x1
- Restore x1
- Restore x1
- Experienced x1
- Experienced x1
- Experienced x1
- Experienced x1
- Experienced x1
- Prestige Booster x1
- Prestige Booster x1
- Prestige Booster x1
- Reward Merits x25
- Reward Merits x25
- Reward Merits x25
- Reward Merits x25
- Reward Merits x25
- Reward Merits x25
- Reward Merits x25
- Reward Merits x25
- Reward Merits x25
- Reward Merits x25
- Reward Merits x25
- Reward Merits x25
- Elemental Order Belt x1
- Elemental Order Belt x1
- Elemental Order Belt x1
- Elemental Order Belt x1
- Elemental Order Belt x1
- Elemental Order Belt x1
- Elemental Order Belt x1
- Elemental Order Belt x1
- Elemental Order Belt x1
- Elemental Order Belt x1
- Elemental Order Sleeves x1
- Elemental Order Sleeves x1
- Elemental Order Sleeves x1
- Elemental Order Sleeves x1
- Elemental Order Sleeves x1
- Elemental Order Sleeves x1
- Elemental Order Sleeves x1
- Elemental Order Sleeves x1
- Elemental Order Sleeves x1
- Elemental Order Sleeves x1
- One of 8 types of Medium Dual Inspirations.
- One of 8 types of Medium Dual Inspirations.
- One of 8 types of Medium Dual Inspirations.
- One of 8 types of Medium Dual Inspirations.
- One of 8 types of Medium Dual Inspirations.
- One of 8 types of Medium Dual Inspirations.
- One of 8 types of Medium Dual Inspirations.
- One of 8 types of Medium Dual Inspirations.
- One of 6 types of Medium Team Inspirations.
- One of 6 types of Medium Team Inspirations.
- One of 6 types of Medium Team Inspirations.
- One of 6 types of Medium Team Inspirations.
- One of 6 types of Medium Team Inspirations.
- One of 6 types of Medium Team Inspirations.
- One of 4 types of Medium Team Dual Inspirations.
- One of 4 types of Medium Team Dual Inspirations.
- One of 4 types of Medium Team Dual Inspirations.
- One of 4 types of Medium Team Dual Inspirations.
- One of 7 types of Large Dual Inspirations.
- One of 7 types of Large Dual Inspirations.
- One of 7 types of Large Dual Inspirations.
- One of 7 types of Large Dual Inspirations.
- One of 7 types of Large Dual Inspirations.
- One of 7 types of Large Dual Inspirations.
- One of 7 types of Large Dual Inspirations.
- One of 5 types of Large Team Inspirations.
- One of 5 types of Large Team Inspirations.
- One of 5 types of Large Team Inspirations.
- One of 5 types of Large Team Inspirations.
- One of 5 types of Large Team Inspirations.
- One of 3 types of Large Team Dual Inspirations.
- One of 3 types of Large Team Dual Inspirations.
- One of 3 types of Large Team Dual Inspirations.
- Enhancement Unslotter x1
- Enhancement Unslotter x1
- Enhancement Unslotter x1
- Enhancement Unslotter x1
- Enhancement Unslotter x1
- Enhancement Booster x2
- Enhancement Booster x2
- Enhancement Booster x2
- Enhancement Booster x2
- Enhancement Booster x2
- Enhancement Booster x2
- Revival x1
- Revival x1
- Revival x1
- Revival x1
- Revival x1
- Revival x1
- Revival x1
- Revival x1
- Restore x1
- Restore x1
- Restore x1
- Restore x1
- Restore x1
- Restore x1
- Restore x1
- Restore x1
- Experienced x1
- Experienced x1
- Experienced x1
- Experienced x1
- Experienced x1
- Prestige Booster x1
- Prestige Booster x1
- Prestige Booster x1
- Reward Merits x25
- Reward Merits x25
- Reward Merits x25
- Reward Merits x25
- Reward Merits x25
- Reward Merits x25
- Reward Merits x25
- Reward Merits x25
- Reward Merits x25
- Reward Merits x25
- Reward Merits x25
- Reward Merits x25
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Quote:Originally Posted by Slazenger
But don't the odds drastically change once you have eliminated the costume pieces within the V.Rare table.
So how can you accurately predict odds on a piece, when you have 3 other pieces that can be a deciding factor.Actually 14.06%.Quote:Originally Posted by Arcanaville
They change, but not dramatically, and giving the weights means we can calculate in what way. But since the rare table has 100 entries and only three costume pieces, once you get those the odds for the rest of the items shift only by a slight amount. For example, the odds of getting a rare XP Booster temp power award (two uses) is 9%. But if all three costume items are taken, those odds shift to 9.28%.
Here is a Google Spreadsheet with the packs with and without the account unlocks:Quote:Originally Posted by Arcanaville
The very rare table has even more entries, so when the three very rare costume pieces get awarded the odds for everything else shift even less. The Black Wolf, for example, shifts from 0.3003% to 0.303% - essentially from one in 333 to one in 330.
Because the shift is small, the odds can be approximated as if the costume pieces didn't change anything. But if you actually wanted to know with absolute precision how the costume pieces shift the odds, that can be computed in theory. I leave that to people with more free time than I (says the player that opened 2000 super packs to collect the odds).
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...0RtVHJyQmZ1Znc (friendly link)
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For those interested, I've updated this spreadsheet with extra columns showing what would happen to the tables if you got a single account item. -
Quote:Yeah...Originally Posted by Arcanaville
The weights I believe are correct and the 34.14 is a typo (it should be 35.14 as you suggested)
I just rechecked those numbers, and I forgot an elemental order piece. I removed that line before I read your post.Quote:Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Unless the graphic was edited between when you posted and now, it seems to add up for me: 12+12+12+10+11+9+9+9+9+7 = 100.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Common roll 1-100.
- Medium Dual Inspirations appear 8 times on that table.
- Medium Team Inspirations appear 6 times on that table.
- Medium Team Dual Inspirations appear 4 times on that table.
- Large Dual Inspirations appear 7 times on that table.
- Large Team Inspirations appear 5 times on that table.
- Large Team Dual Inspirations appear 3 times on that table.
- Enhancement Unslotter appears 5 times on that table.
- Enhancement Booster appears 6 times on that table.
- Revive Temp Power appears 8 times on that table.
- Restore Temp Power appears 8 times on that table.
- Experienced Power appears 5 times on that table.
- Prestige Boosters appear 3 times on that table.
- Reward Merits appear 12 times on that table.
- The Elemental Order Belt appears 10 times on that table.
- The Elemental Order Sleeves appears 10 times on that table.
Extrapolate the Uncommon, Rare, and Very Rare groups.In a way, yes they need this.Quote:Originally Posted by Slazenger
Is there any need for this though, at the end of the day it's just plain luck what you draw?
Think of it this way:- One of 8 types of Medium Dual Inspirations.
- One of 6 types of Medium Team Inspirations.
- One of 4 types of Medium Team Dual Inspirations.
- One of 7 types of Large Dual Inspirations.
- One of 5 types of Large Team Inspirations.
- One of 3 types of Large Team Dual Inspirations.
- Five chances at Enhancement Unslotters.
- Six chances at Enhancement Boosters.
- Eight chances at Revive Temp Powers.
- Eight chances at Restore Temp Powers.
- Five chances at Experienced Powers.
- Three chances at Prestige Boosters.
- Twelve chances at Reward Merits.
- Ten chances at the Elemental Order Belt.
- Ten chances at the Elemental Order Sleeves.
- A 33% chance to get inspirations in the common table.
- A 35% chance to get temp powers or boosts in the common table.
- A 12% chance to get Reward Merits in the common table.
- A 20% chance to get costumes in the common table.
Edit:
Here is Arcanaville's list of card #/205 in the pack:
Quote:Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Ok, this is what I have in terms the contents of the packs. Most of the card numbers come from my data, but some of it is extrapolated from obvious requirements or other people's postings:
Code:1 Common Rejuvenate x1 2 Common Guarded x1 3 Common Tactical x1 4 Common Luck Imbuement x1 5 Common Sturdy Imbuement x1 6 Common Insight Imbuement x1 7 Common Endurance Imbuement x1 8 Common Health Imbuement x1 9 Common Rage Imbuement x1 10 Common Protection Imbuement x1 11 Common Rejuvenating Imbuement x1 12 Common Guarding Imbuement x1 13 Common Tactical Imbuement x1 14 Common Protected x1 15 Common Invigorate x1 16 Common Precise x1 17 Common Good Luck Imbuement x1 18 Common Rugged Imbuement x1 19 Common Keen Insight Imbuement x1 20 Common Greater Endurance Imbuement x1 21 Common Greater Health Imbuement x1 22 Common Focused Rage Imbuement x1 23 Common Greater Protection Imbuement x1 24 Common Invigorating Imbuement x1 25 Common Protecting Imbuement x1 26 Common Precise Imbuement x1 27 Common Enhancement Unslotter x1 28 Common Enhancement Booster x2 29 Common Revival x1 30 Common Restore x1 31 Common Experienced x1 32 Common Prestige Booster x1 33 Common Reward Merits x25 34 Common Elemental Order Belt x1 35 Common Elemental Order Sleeves x1 36 Uncommon Enhancement Unslotter x2 37 Uncommon Enhancement Booster x5 38 Uncommon Revival x2 39 Uncommon Restore x2 40 Uncommon Experienced x2 41 Uncommon Windfall x1 42 Uncommon Reward Merits x50 43 Uncommon XP Booster x1 44 Uncommon Elemental Order Facemask 45 Uncommon Elemental Order Chest 46 Uncommon Elemental Order Gloves 47 Rare Enhancement Unslotter x3 48 Rare Enhancement Booster x8 49 Rare Experienced x3 50 Rare Windfall x2 51 Rare XP Booster x2 52 Rare Reward Merits x75 53 Rare Elemental Order Helmet 54 Rare Elemental Order Pants 55 Rare Elemental Order Boots 56 Rare Blaster's Wrath Dmg/Acc 57 Rare Blaster's Wrath Dmg/Rech 58 Rare Blaster's Wrath Acc/Dmg/Rech 59 Rare Blaster's Wrath Dmg/Acc/End 60 Rare Blaster's Wrath Acc/Dmg/End/Rech 61 Rare Blaster's Wrath Rech/Chance for Fire Damage 62 Rare Will of the Controller Acc/Control 63 Rare Will of the Controller Control/Rech 64 Rare Will of the Controller End/Rech 65 Rare Will of the Controller Acc/Control/End 66 Rare Will of the Controller Acc/Control/End/Rech 67 Rare Will of the Controller Rech/Chance for Psionic Damage 68 Rare Defender's Bastion Acc/Dmg 69 Rare Defender's Bastion Dmg/Rech 70 Rare Defender's Bastion Dmg/End/Rech 71 Rare Defender's Bastion Acc/Dmg/End 72 Rare Defender's Bastion Acc/Dmg/End/Rech 73 Rare Defender's Bastion Rech/Chance for Minor PBAoE Heal 74 Rare Scrapper's Strike Acc/Dmg 75 Rare Scrapper's Strike Dmg/Rech 76 Rare Scrapper's Strike Acc/Dmg/Rech 77 Rare Scrapper's Strike Dmg/End/Rech 78 Rare Scrapper's Strike Acc/Dmg/End/Rech 79 Rare Scrapper's Strike Rech/Critical Hit Bonus 80 Rare Might of the Tanker Acc/Dmg 81 Rare Might of the Tanker Dmg/Rech 82 Rare Might of the Tanker Acc/Dmg/Rech 83 Rare Might of the Tanker Dmg/End/Rech 84 Rare Might of the Tanker Acc/Dmg/End/Rech 85 Rare Might of the Tanker Rech/Chance for +Res(All) 86 Rare Kheldian's Grace Acc/Dmg 87 Rare Kheldian's Grace Dmg/Rech 88 Rare Kheldian's Grace Acc/Dmg/Rech 89 Rare Kheldian's Grace Dmg/End/Rech 90 Rare Kheldian's Grace Acc/Dmg/End/Rech 91 Rare Kheldian's Grace Rech/Form Empowerment 92 Rare Brute's Fury Acc/Dmg 93 Rare Brute's Fury Dmg/Rech 94 Rare Brute's Fury Acc/Dmg/Rech 95 Rare Brute's Fury Dmg/End/Rech 96 Rare Brute's Fury Acc/Dmg/End/Rech 97 Rare Brute's Fury Rech/Fury Bonus 98 Rare Malice of the Corruptor Acc/Dmg 99 Rare Malice of the Corruptor Dmg/Rech 100 Rare Malice of the Corruptor Acc/Dmg/Rech 101 Rare Malice of the Corruptor Dmg/End/Rech 102 Rare Malice of the Corruptor Acc/Dmg/End/Rech 103 Rare Malice of the Corruptor Rech/Chance for Negative Energy Damage 104 Rare Ascendency of the Dominator Acc/Control 105 Rare Ascendency of the Dominator Control/Rech 106 Rare Ascendency of the Dominator End/Rech 107 Rare Ascendency of the Dominator Acc/Control/End 108 Rare Ascendency of the Dominator Acc/Control/End/Rech 109 Rare Ascendency of the Dominator Rech/Chance for +Damage 110 Rare Command of the Mastermind Acc/Dmg 111 Rare Command of the Mastermind Dmg/End 112 Rare Command of the Mastermind Acc/Dmg/Rech 113 Rare Command of the Mastermind Dmg/End/Rech 114 Rare Command of the Mastermind Acc/Dmg/End/Rech 115 Rare Command of the Mastermind Rech/Pet +AoE Defense Aura 116 Rare Stalker's Guile Acc/Dmg 117 Rare Stalker's Guile Dmg/Rech 118 Rare Stalker's Guile Acc/Dmg/Rech 119 Rare Stalker's Guile Dmg/End/Rech 120 Rare Stalker's Guile Acc/Dmg/End/Rech 121 Rare Stalker's Guile Rech/Chance to Hide 122 Rare Dominion of Arachnos Acc/Dmg 123 Rare Dominion of Arachnos Dmg/Rech 124 Rare Dominion of Arachnos Acc/Dmg/Rech 125 Rare Dominion of Arachnos Dmg/End/Rech 126 Rare Dominion of Arachnos Acc/Dmg/End/Rech 127 Rare Dominion of Arachnos Rech/Chance for -Dmg and Terrorize 128 Very Rare Reward Merits x100 129 Very Rare Enhancement Catalyst x1 130 Very Rare Elemental Order Shoulders 131 Very Rare Elemental Order Backpack 132 Very Rare Elemental Order Shard Cannon 133 Very Rare Blaster's Wrath Acc/Dmg 134 Very Rare Blaster's Wrath Dmg/Rech 135 Very Rare Blaster's Wrath Acc/Dmg/Rech 136 Very Rare Blaster's Wrath Dmg/Acc/End 137 Very Rare Blaster's Wrath Acc/Dmg/End/Rech 138 Very Rare Blaster's Wrath Rech/Chance for Fire Damage 139 Very Rare Will of the Controller Acc/Control 140 Very Rare Will of the Controller Control/Rech 141 Very Rare Will of the Controller End/Rech 142 Very Rare Will of the Controller Acc/Control/End 143 Very Rare Will of the Controller Acc/Control/End/Rech 144 Very Rare Will of the Controller Rech/Chance for Psionic Damage 145 Very Rare Defender's Bastion Acc/Dmg 146 Very Rare Defender's Bastion Dmg/Rech 147 Very Rare Defender's Bastion Dmg/End/Rech 148 Very Rare Defender's Bastion Acc/Dmg/End 149 Very Rare Defender's Bastion Acc/Dmg/End/Rech 150 Very Rare Defender's Bastion Rech/Chance for Minor PBAoE Heal 151 Very Rare Scrapper's Strike Acc/Dmg 152 Very Rare Scrapper's Strike Dmg/Rech 153 Very Rare Scrapper's Strike Acc/Dmg/Rech 154 Very Rare Scrapper's Strike Dmg/End/Rech 155 Very Rare Scrapper's Strike Acc/Dmg/End/Rech 156 Very Rare Scrapper's Strike Rech/Critical Hit Bonus 157 Very Rare Might of the Tanker Acc/Dmg 158 Very Rare Might of the Tanker Dmg/Rech 159 Very Rare Might of the Tanker Acc/Dmg/Rech 160 Very Rare Might of the Tanker Dmg/End/Rech 161 Very Rare Might of the Tanker Acc/Dmg/End/Rech 162 Very Rare Might of the Tanker Rech/Chance for +Res(All) 163 Very Rare Kheldian's Grace Acc/Dmg 164 Very Rare Kheldian's Grace Dmg/Rech 165 Very Rare Kheldian's Grace Acc/Dmg/Rech 166 Very Rare Kheldian's Grace Dmg/End/Rech 167 Very Rare Kheldian's Grace Acc/Dmg/End/Rech 168 Very Rare Kheldian's Grace Rech/Form Empowerment 169 Very Rare Brute's Fury Acc/Dmg 170 Very Rare Brute's Fury Dmg/Rech 171 Very Rare Brute's Fury Acc/Dmg/Rech 172 Very Rare Brute's Fury Dmg/End/Rech 173 Very Rare Brute's Fury Acc/Dmg/End/Rech 174 Very Rare Brute's Fury Rech/Fury Bonus 175 Very Rare Malice of the Corruptor Acc/Dmg 176 Very Rare Malice of the Corruptor Dmg/Rech 177 Very Rare Malice of the Corruptor Acc/Dmg/Rech 178 Very Rare Malice of the Corruptor Dmg/End/Rech 179 Very Rare Malice of the Corruptor Acc/Dmg/End/Rech 180 Very Rare Malice of the Corruptor Rech/Chance for Negative Energy Damage 181 Very Rare Ascendency of the Dominator Acc/Control 182 Very Rare Ascendency of the Dominator Control/Rech 183 Very Rare Ascendency of the Dominator End/Rech 184 Very Rare Ascendency of the Dominator Acc/Control/End 185 Very Rare Ascendency of the Dominator Acc/Control/End/Rech 186 Very Rare Ascendency of the Dominator Rech/Chance for +Damage 187 Very Rare Command of the Mastermind Acc/Dmg 188 Very Rare Command of the Mastermind Dmg/End 189 Very Rare Command of the Mastermind Acc/Dmg/Rech 190 Very Rare Command of the Mastermind Dmg/End/Rech 191 Very Rare Command of the Mastermind Acc/Dmg/End/Rech 192 Very Rare Command of the Mastermind Rech/Pet +AoE Defense Aura 193 Very Rare Stalker's Guile Acc/Dmg 194 Very Rare Stalker's Guile Dmg/Rech 195 Very Rare Stalker's Guile Acc/Dmg/Rech 196 Very Rare Stalker's Guile Dmg/End/Rech 197 Very Rare Stalker's Guile Acc/Dmg/End/Rech 198 Very Rare Stalker's Guile Rech/Chance to Hide 199 Very Rare Dominion of Arachnos Acc/Dmg 200 Very Rare Dominion of Arachnos Dmg/Rech 201 Very Rare Dominion of Arachnos Acc/Dmg/Rech 202 Very Rare Dominion of Arachnos Dmg/End/Rech 203 Very Rare Dominion of Arachnos Acc/Dmg/End/Rech 204 Very Rare Dominion of Arachnos Rech/Chance for -Dmg and Terrorize 205 Very Rare Black Wolf Pet
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Quote:Originally Posted by Zwillinger
Before tomorrow's launch of the first Super Pack: Heroes and Villains, I wanted to share the breakdown of the odds of getting each item in the packs. This should be considered final and official.Math error in the Very Rare Table.Quote:Originally Posted by Zwillinger
ATO drop chance should be 35.14% according to the numbers you presented, not 34.14%. Otherwise you are missing 1%. -
Quote:Common roll 1-100.Originally Posted by Slazenger
Am I missing something here, what is the weight column for?
- Medium Dual Inspirations appear 8 times on that table.
- Medium Team Inspirations appear 6 times on that table.
- Medium Team Dual Inspirations appear 4 times on that table.
- Large Dual Inspirations appear 7 times on that table.
- Large Team Inspirations appear 5 times on that table.
- Large Team Dual Inspirations appear 3 times on that table.
- Enhancement Unslotter appears 5 times on that table.
- Enhancement Booster appears 6 times on that table.
- Revive Temp Power appears 8 times on that table.
- Restore Temp Power appears 8 times on that table.
- Experienced Power appears 5 times on that table.
- Prestige Boosters appear 3 times on that table.
- Reward Merits appear 12 times on that table.
- The Elemental Order Belt appears 10 times on that table.
- The Elemental Order Sleeves appears 10 times on that table.
Extrapolate the Uncommon, Rare, and Very Rare groups. -
Quote:In the past, I've done all three. I don't anymore.Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
It would be interesting to see how many of them have regularly played CCGs, purchased lottery tickets, gone to casinos, etc., etc.
I fully agree with this.Quote:Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
My standpoint is that it's a purchasing issue. If I wish to buy an item, then I don't want random substitutes, nothing more. -
Quote:Not because I say so, it is because dictionaries the world over say so.Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
You do realize that just because you keep saying it's gambling doesn't actually make it so?
I'm not interested in applying any legal definition of gambling to these packs. Paragon Studios, and likely NCsoft, vetted these with their legal department.Quote:Originally Posted by Miuramir
My understanding is that the current legal definitions of gambling have a series of tests, and that one of the required criteria is that there is a chance of output of either cash, or something that is readily converted to cash.
That being said, they are gambling because they fit the term. Calling it anything else is just an abuse of the language.
There is no need, in the dictionary usage, for the item being "won" to have a monetary value. That is a legal definition that doesn't apply to these packs.Quote:Originally Posted by Miuramir
CoH's situation seems similar; there is no legal, supported, or easy way to convert your randomized card draws back into real money. (This is unlike a physical CCG, where that Alpha Mox could pay your real rent for the month fairly easily.) You're paying to play a game, but it's not gambling; there's no situation in which you can end up with more real money than what you started with.
Again, it isn't gambling by the legal definition, but it is by the dictionary definition. That is what is called in real life, "close enough".Quote:Originally Posted by Miuramir
TL;DR: IMO it's not gambling, and significantly less dangerous than most common things that are. -
Quote:There was nothing underhanded about it. It is what it is: gambling.Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
That's another reason why I think people like Snow Globe are using very underhanded tactics in attempts to enforce their positions.
And I'm not going to take anyone seriously that is either unwilling or unable to call something exactly what it is. You want to pretend that these packs are something other than what they are. At best, that is self-delusional. At worst, that is downright dishonest.Quote:Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
As soon as I saw that song and dance about "looks and quacks like a duck" I knew he was just more interested in being right than anything else, and he was just throwing everything onto the wall in hopes that something would stick. I'm not about to take someone like that at all seriously.
And, again, you are resorting to slinging mud. Very mature.Quote:Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
If they want to be a pack of chicken littles running around and waving their arms about in a moral panic, well I'm not about to stop them. But I'm just as free to point out how silly their reactions are to something like this.
Same here. I had an uncle die of alcohol addiction, one of my friend's parents is also an alcoholic, and I have a family member that is addicted to gambling.Quote:Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
I've played videogames since I was a little kid, and I've played games of chance for actual money quite often. As well, my own family history is filled with problems of addiction.
And I'm getting a laugh over YOUR butthurt that you can't even call these packs exactly what they are: gambling.Quote:Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
So if nobody minds, I think I'll take my own experiences over those of some guys who are butthurt that they can't just get all their shinies at once and instead have to play a little game of gotta-catch-em-all in order to get them.
For the record, the items I want the most from these packs are the ATOs and I'm going to get them with in-game actions. -
Quote:Someone else beat you to it.Originally Posted by Aggelakis
Wrong. If you had the gloves, and the game "rolls" the gloves again, it will re-roll on that rarity until such time as it doesn't pick an account unlock you already have.Quote:Originally Posted by Golden Girl
There is - but it doesn't remove the chance for a costume part - it just gives you another one instead.
Like if you already have the gloves, and then you get another costume card that would have been the gloves again, the game won't switch the costume card for another drop type - it'll give you another costume part instead - which means that the more parts you have, the more likely you are to get the missing parts.
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Quote:Account bound and can't be traded.Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
Anyone who doesn't want their team/dual/dual-team inspirations, I will happily take them!
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Quote:I don't know why they just didn't say every pack was C-C-U-R-V. Why is there even a chance at C-C-C-U-R?Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Jeez I hope they either confirm our measurements or state the new odds. I'm not sure I can justify 2000 superpacks on live ($1250). If experienced stacked I would have enough on beta to go from level 1 to level 50 by killing one minion.
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Quote:And every single consumable in those packs was, in my opinion, a waste of my time, effort, and potential money.Originally Posted by Mind_Over_Matter
Even your Beta experience is in line with that. One detail that you omitted was that you got more than just a costume set for the 13 packs that you opened in Beta. You also received a number of consumables. While you may not value those items highly, they were part of the transaction.
I don't need or use the same consumables that are a part of my veteran rewards, so why would I want to pay for them? -
Quote:I'm not fooling myself: people will buy these packs. Heck, people will plunk down hundreds of dollars on these packs. These people are predisposed to dismissing my opinion of these packs.Originally Posted by joshdex
I'm guessing people are going to dismiss your judgment of the unfortunately named super packs in the same way MMO players presumably dismiss the judgment of.. others.
I know I'm not going to change anyone's opinion of these packs. However, I do have the freedom to make my opinion about these packs known. -
Quote:Yes, each item in the paragon market has an 8-digit alphanumeric "product code" that is applied to your account. Each of the costume pieces in this pack has their own product code and you can't get permanent account-wide unlocks multiple times with this system, with a few exceptions like the invention system unlock or character slots.Originally Posted by mousedroid
I assume there is a mechanism in place that prevents you from getting the same costume piece more than once?
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Quote:Micro-transactionOriginally Posted by warden_de_dios
What does MTX mean?
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Quote:I could say the exact same thing about your posts about this. You want to shut down the discussion because you don't consider it gambling, and you started insulting people that didn't agree with you.Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
How very pedantic, engaging in a semantic argument like that. And then topping it off with a meme designed to short circuit any semblance of rational discourse or thought. How underhanded of you. Er, I mean clever. Yeah, it's clever. Golf clap.
So pot, meet kettle. Guess what? You're both black.Quote:I'm just saying that people who are calling this gambling are being quite silly -
Quote:On beta, it took 13 packs for me to get the costume set: $13. It took to the 32 pack for the black wolf pet. Then again, those numbers are about as meaningful as trying to count sand grains on a beach.Originally Posted by Mind_Over_Matter
For those who want the costume pieces but are worried about spending more than $20 in order to get them, it might be helpful for more folks who actually purchase them to offer details about when they completed their costume set.
The morally bankrupt people I was referring to was Business Management and Marketing divisions of Paragon Studios. Though I do reserve to say that people spending hundreds of dollars on these packs have more money than brains. I use the same term for those that get involved with CCG games now.Quote:Originally Posted by Grae Knight
Feels good to be morally bankrupt but financially stable. Buying 48 packs as soon as I get home.
Thanks for the links.Quote:Originally Posted by Miuramir
The info has been put up on the wiki under the root Super Pack entry. The Heroes and Villains entry has details on this specific set; some of which still needs to be filled in, but there seems to be more than enough there to see most of the patterns. When combined with Z's post on The Numbers we should be able to put together some better estimation tools.
Quickly, an average pack has 2.21 Common, 1 Uncommon, 1 Rare, and 0.79 Very Rare.
I'd much rather support the extra effort for the Gunslinger bundle change than this predatory move.Quote:Originally Posted by Necrotron_RO
They are waiting to see how 'profitable' this model is.
Buying patterns will determine the results.
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Quote:Super Packs Update 2/13/2012 - The NumbersOriginally Posted by 2short2care
Is there a list somewhere of all the Elemental Order costume pieces, if so where, and if not, why not?
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Quote:Does it look like a duck? Pay money for a random chance at something you want.Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
I have nothing to say about this, as it's your decision afterall. I intend to get some of these boosters because I think it's a neat idea. I'm just saying that people who are calling this gambling are being quite silly. Go put down your entire paycheck double 0* and then come back and tell me if you think these cute little boosters are anything like gambling.
Does it quack like a duck? You might not get what you want.
Odds are, it is a duck: It fits the definition of gambling, so I don't see the need to avoid the term.
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gamble [gam-buhl] verb, -bled, -bling, noun
verb (used without object)
1. to play at any game of chance for money or other stakes.
2. to stake or risk money, or anything of value, on the outcome of something involving chance: to gamble on a toss of the dice.
verb (used with object)
3. to lose or squander by betting (usually followed by away ): He gambled all his hard-earned money away in one night.
4. to wager or risk (money or something else of value): to gamble one's freedom.
5. to take a chance on; venture; risk: I'm gambling that our new store will be a success.
noun
6. any matter or thing involving risk or hazardous uncertainty.
7. a venture in a game of chance for stakes, especially for high stakes.
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As to the size of the bet: Super Packs are $1, as such they are comparable to pull-tabs. Both are gambling, just one is for money with the other being for virtual goods.