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Originally Posted by Dahjee

So...

Basically you're asking for something just to ask... since you know full well that what you ask for won't solve the problems with PvP?

Personally, I'm happy the Devs have better sense than to go around "flippin switches" just because they can. I'm guessing more thought is being put into the matter than what seems to have been put into the opinions in this thread.

Believe it or not... doing what's easiest and doing what's best are not always the same thing. Forgive me but I come across way too many PvP'ers in this game that don't realize this.

Originally Posted by vindizzLe

It's hard to glean that from anyone when most teams would rather do internals than say... practice against another team.

I'm not being specific here, the guilty parties know who they are.

Originally Posted by Thorizdin_LotD

The lack of range hits it and Blaster damage in general is better but the control offers some new wrinkles. There are some natural (I think) counters to it that I haven't yet seen tried in large part because they aren't fotm, but if other teams go in this direction the meta will shift.

Not to inflate anyone's ego but I don't see anyone but WARE running this successfully for a while.

Originally Posted by Borderline Boss

No, you are wrong, internals are stupid for those reasons. Please don't ever quote my post again in disagreement.

Originally Posted by Borderline Boss

Internals are stupid if you're actually doing a match when there are other teams available to play. They're only okay if you're testing a power or attack chain or something. Also, Venatrix dies a lot and cybers mage. That is all.

Originally Posted by Not_Quite_Even

Yes I want the developers to remove Travel Suppression and Heal Decay. I was finally becoming decent at PvP when these new mechanics rolled in and in my humble opinion sucked the fun out of PvP.

Travel Suppression was one of the primary reasons why CoX PvP was fun. There were then ways to lock down, snare, targets for melee types to wail upon, and there are even more now with the proliferation of -fly, -jump powers like web grenade, air superiority and others. (arguably the inclusion of fitness for free allows people to take a utility power like air superiority or web grenade more easily).

Heal Decay is clunky to me. It falls particularly hard on some sets and not on others. Before Travel Suppression, the way to deal with an empath was maneuver, teleport foe, knock back, mezz effects, or bring lots of friends and just burn through it.

I've played other PvP systems where one character can heal another, and the PvP is still competitive because you can either "pressure" the healer, that is put out so much damage across targets over time that it exhausts the healer's healing resources, or "spike" hit a single target with such a large amount of damage in a short enough time period that the healer can't apply their available resources fast enough. They also have the standard tactics of maneuvering the target out of range/los with the healer, mezz effects, etc.

I think a better solution may have been to look at the endurance costs and/or recharge time of healing powers, so that while a healer type might be able to blunt 1 or 2 spikes, but they couldn't do it indefinitely.

I think a healer should be able to blunt some spikes on occassion. It's fun for me. But they shouldn't be able to do it all the time. Instead with Heal Decay, you have healers that perform more "maintenance" with respect to their healing powers, i.e. topping folks off, rather than the more dramatic and emotionally satisfying clutch save.

I'm not sure if the whole "so I go clipped by some empath rocking heal aura for very little, and so now my healing flames does 1/8 of what it should" was ever resolved, but it seems harsh to punish a player for the "helpful" actions of another.

Originally Posted by Giant2005

As I said, whether TS and HD is on or not, premades will dominate.
The thing is, turning HD and TS off favours a premade far more than it does the casual. The power of healing is magnified a great deal when you can call for heals over vent/TS/whatever your chat program of choice is.
HD and TS remove one tiny advantage and give the casuals a chance - not much of a chance but at least a chance.
It doesn't make a great deal of difference against a premade but seriously, do the premades really feel the need to try and stack even more odds in their favour?

Originally Posted by hemmingway3

You just don't get it. We were asked what we want. We said "We want HD and TS gone. Here's why." The "here's why" part contained sound logic and reasoning. If you cannot see that, you just don't know what those things are. Of course I am personally campaigning to have HD and TS removed. When I initially encountered them, I hated them. The more I thought about it, the more I understood precisely why that was so. I have individually constructed my own opinions based upon fact, and I have seen, agreed, disagreed, and commented on the opinions and arguments of others. There are many reasons HD and TS should be removed. Some are personal preference, some are simple logical contradictions they present when implemented into CoH. These ideas have been articulated several times in this thread and many more times in other ways and other threads. Some people would prefer to have HD and TS remain in the game for various reasons: some because they do not want to see more change in this game (maybe it makes them uncomfortable, maybe they don't want to respec), some because they honestly believe that HD and TS are sensible mechanics that are healthy to this game's PvP. There have been many convincing arguments given to disprove either thesis that HD and TS are sensible or healthy to this game. The fact that you refuse to see the logic in these arguments only implies that you are stubborn or trolling. It does not imply the the logic is not there or that it is flawed.

Lastly, if this is not a two-sided debate, why are you posting in my thread? I mean.. really.. Players that want HD and TS to remain don't have any reason to post here, yet you continually post here to oppose the removal of HD and TS? You need to actually understand logic before you can use it to be persuasive. I don't know whom you think you are convincing with your posts, but in reality they are only serving to clutter this thread.

Originally Posted by Artic_Chill_44

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Originally Posted by Titano_EU

"If you are using TF or Sniper Blast without a very good reason you're probably bad. TF was okay on Blasters pre-I13 when it actually did damage and on Defenders if you were something like Rad/Son and had lots and lots of stacked -res, but these days it's pretty much garbage."

i never said i would use sniper blast... you should not say things i never wrote
concerning total focus, it's still better than bone smasher, power push etc ( i'm so sorry that engery/ energy is so full of aweful powers :P )

and i appreciate everyones help here. i posted this build to get help, and not for hearing HOW awful everthing is. i respect your advices, but you need to be tolerant with me, it's still me playing that toon

but guys you are not the only people playing Coh.