SinisterDirge

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison

Looks like somebody doesn't understand the aggro and target caps.

Originally Posted by Fire_Minded

Im talking about sheer toughness and AoE capability vs a Brute or a Scrapper.If you go on the basis of ST damage, no, a Tanker cannot out damage a Scrapper or a Brute.

I however know for a fact, that your Spines/FA Scrapper cant handle 2-3 mobs at 8 man difficulty at a time using only SOs, like some of my Tankers can.(Iv had a Spine/FA before)My Fire/Fire has difficulty doing it, but he can take 2 mobs at once.So the over all damage delivered is higher for the AoE centric Tanker then even your Scrapper in the long run.

My SD/Axe Tanker can handle 2-3 mobs at once and dish out Scrapper-ish damage due to AAO in SD.Its by far the fastest killing Tanker I have, with my Fire/Fire trailing for second place, and my Elec/Elec for third.

By Herding, I can hit the max targets on all the AoE attacks for my Tankers in this fashion.

All my tankers are however envious of your Dual Aura capability, but for most of your AoE potential, youd have to Tank.So in this fashion, the Tanker wins again.

I will agree 100% that your Spines/FA Scrapper can out damage your Fire/Fire/Pyre Tanker hands down in a small mob situation, and in a ST situation, but for overall power housing mobs and melting them in larger number?No way in hell can your Scrapper do that unless he has a Tanker pulling all the agro so you can do the same.

I hope this answers your question.

Originally Posted by Fire_Minded

Iv currently re-rolled all my Brutes into Tankers.As for which side ill be taking them to?Im not sure at this point.

Tankers are not always the weak damage dealing meat shields people belive them to be.

All my Tankers have good to unstoppable survivability in a fight, and can dish out enough numbers to take the entire 8 man team fight to them selves with minimal to moderate effort and squash the mob, or in many cases, take on multipul mobs and crush them at a decently fast rate.

I run with Fire/Fire, Elec/Elec, SD/Axe, and a Ice/Ice set of Tankers.With the exception of the Ice Tank I do alot of damage and can wipe the floor with baddies like they are jokes.

My Fire/Fire can herd up a large mob, use BU and FE then Unload Fire Breath after properly pulling the mob to him around a corner.Then trigger Combustion, then move in and slap them all with Fire Sword Circle while Blazing Aura is hitting them as well.It can easly handle a 8 man team on its own with proper tactics and playing.

My Elec/Elec Tank can do virtually the same as my Fire Tank, just with diffrent powers, and a couple of these powers have KD for midigation to incomming damage, so it as well can handle a 8 man mission when played properly.

My Ice/Ice Tank.....Yeh, the Damage aint all that impressive right now, but his survivability is up there with Tanker Gods.This Tanker is a extreem late bloomer because its better damage potential will be aided by the Ice Epic Pool later on.After that, I suspect it will do rather decent Damage while holding mutlipul mobs.Making it a decent solo killer at a 8 man difficulty.

Then finally, my SD/Axe Tanker.This thing is a juggernaught in its self.Not only can it handle 2-3 Mobs at once in a 8 man mission, it can drop them fast.It matches my Fire Tankers damage all around, but instead of heavy DoT melting the mob the Damage comes all at once in huge bursts.This is my first Brute remake into a Tank and im not dissapointed.I was however dissapointed with the Brute version of this build.This Tanker doesnt dissapoint.

So honestly, I dont see a Tanker being phased out at all.Anyone silly enough to re-roll a Tanker into a Brute, especially if its a High level Tanker will be feeling the sting from it.

Now if a player re-rolled a Brute into a Scrapper, then I could see where there wouldnt be a huge transition issue.

Tankers are for the player that understand patience, in that it takes longer to gain Offensive power, but by no means will that make a Tanker a slouch in combat vs other Melee classes.

Iv heard the argument for how Willpower and Super Strength, as well as many other sets being numerically superior to the rest.I will heavly have to dissagree with this.These sets are Single Target Oriented, and provide very little in the way of holding Taunt, nore do they have the over all AoE capability and damage to be very useful at damage or holding Agro in general.They are numbers to keep that Tanker alive and thats about it.

I cant tell you how many times iv teamed with a Invln/SS or a WP/SS Build in a team that cant hold agro.My Fire/Fire Tanker can hold almost complete agro without having to buy the Taunt power from its secondary, while the WP or Invln build hold hardly any agro with me around, and IM the Scranker?

Im going to state that Tankers are the all around BEST Melee Class in the game.Brutes and Scrappers cannot handle the abuse like Tanker can, which offsets its lower damage.

In the long run, the Tanker can handle more, and dish out more damage over time then these to classes without ANY IO investment at all.If you need IOs to be a a complete power house, then your on the wrong Melee Class.

Originally Posted by DireAngelus

I don't know, I suppose I'm just too much of a cynic. I just can't imagine any change where at least one person wasn't at home all angry or at least discontented with it.

I feel like if they sent us all free donuts someone would be upset they didn't get their favorite flavor.

I'm thrilled with a lot of the new changes but someone somewhere is bent out of shape. Luckily I get to play the game my way whatever they think!

Originally Posted by Dispari

Oh and for the record, my only real complaint now would be you get nothing at 50. Where's my new costume slot for 50?!

Originally Posted by Tyger42

Actually, that's pretty much true everywhere. It's the quote that's wrong.

Originally Posted by Void Spirit

As a way to soak up some of the influence of the wealthy, what would you think of introducing a game feature that a character could hire a NPC servitor for a high monthly charge starting at e.g. 100 million influence? The servitor would follow the character in public areas as a display of opulence and power. There could be a wide array of possible servitors, such as an English butler, a swimsuit model, a platter with a crystal ball or severed head, etc.

Originally Posted by Eva Destruction

If you exclusively team, and do not do market stuff aside from selling your drops, redside you can easily get to 22 and not be able to afford all your SOs.

The team drop rate sucks.

Originally Posted by Edgewater

First off, I wanna apologize if this has been brought up before. I just recently returned, so I haven't been around the forums much.

So MM's are the most fun AT for me to play. I've played every single set extensively with a different combo, and I just can't get enough. (I'm dying for Demons)

But I've noticed it before, and really started to notice recently, is that other people don't like us on teams anymore. Is this just me, or do others get it too?

Like today for example. I decided I'd level up a Bots/Traps for double xp. After soloing so many levels of so many MMs, I wanted a break and decided to team. (My MM was 42 at the time). So I have my lft flag up. I get nothing. After awhile I see "lvl 40 team lfm". So I send a tell. It pretty much went this:

Me: 42 MM here, mind if I join?
Him: lol no MM thnx.
Me: Umm okay, not trying to be rude, but why not?
Him: too many pets plus at is weak srry lol

Okay, I get it. The cluster of pets and fighting for space is REALLY annoying. So I let it go. Then a broadcast for AE missions shows up. I send a tell again.

Me: Mind if I join?
Him: No, you'll just spread out mobs.
Me: Right... Okay then. >>

A few mins pass, and he sends me an invite anyways. I guess he couldn't find anyone else. So he's a SS/Fire Brute, and basically tells me if I don't play right and I makes everyone fly around, I'm getting kicked. I should've left there, but I didn't. We get fighting the mobs, and he lays down his burn patch which scrambled everything. My Assbot used his missle which knocked like 3 critters away, and I get booted.

Him (tell): See why I don't invite MMs?

These are only a few stories, as I have MANY more. But it's just ridiculous to me that we have this banter about us, and I don't understand why. We are very effective in teams, but because of the cluster of pets, nobody wants us? I can't even do end game TF's unless I roll with a group of friends.

I only made this post because I fear it may get worse. If MM's are allowed to team hero side, is it going to be the same? People were crying about it in my SG earlier, about how we'll lagout atlas, and blah blah blah.

So, am I the only one? Or have others found this out too?

Originally Posted by Antigonus

Nobody here really pays much attention to rep, but I think I remember the devs saying it's supposed to work out to 2 points every 24 hours or something like that.

Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper

EMP Arrow (And EM Pulse from Radiation Emission) does apply -regen. In fact, it's enough -regen to shut down nearly any target (higher-than-you AVs and GMs may not, depending on the situation, and I've have to actually think to give a definitive answer on that). Unfortunately, neither EMP is possible to make perma, and they also shut down your own recovery unless you've got an Empath buffing you with a slotted Adrenaline Boost.

WRT the OP:
/Regen often relies more on healing powers than on actual regen. -recharge is extremely effective.

Originally Posted by Azerrath

I have two thoughts since watching people run around with the Pistols.

1. Looks awesome if a bit flashy.
2. Can we at least pick better initials or short form name for the power set. Being the adult human that I am... those two letters keep pointing my mind towards the gutter. I can almost imagion the comments and puns that will be poping up.

Originally Posted by Tyger42

Oh, right, it's MY fault those 3 clueless level 50 n00bs who PLed their way to 50 using exploits ruined my TF.... Gotcha...

Originally Posted by Fulmens

People are talking like this is binary: "there is PL" or "there is no PL."

I think the term for that is a "false dichotomy".
It's a float: "10% of people are farming" vs "80% of people are farming" .

The better the farm, the more people will do it: meows and bubbles got big enough fast enough that you could say "Everyone was doing it" and be pretty close to right. This sploit was on the lower end of appalling- I did see someone redside get pulled into a henchman farm on their first or second day in game and get spat out twelve levels later. I warned them it would happen and offered to help them play in the real [sic] world if they wanted. That's all I could do, really.

Originally Posted by StratoNexus

Sigh. Whirlwind also used to be Knockup instead of Knockback.

Originally Posted by Sailboat

Permit me to point out that this thread, and several others like it, were started by exploiters "crying" about the change, not by team players crying about exploit farms making teaming impossible.

Originally Posted by Valheru_fury

two fire/dark corrs is too easy why not go one fire/dark and one fire/kin :P two FSed RoF on tar patch is gotta be worth something and transference will keep the ball rolling......perhaps its a little over kill

Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire

The same way exploits screwed over the game for everyone who doesn't want to use them before; near-impossible to form non-farming teams, high-level zones are filled with clueless powerlevelled newbies that have no idea how to use their powers, nobody playing non-50 content, etc.

Originally Posted by Wondering_Fury

To answer you both, what with DXP arriving and obviously more people playing; farming; etc, then the influx of players will mean more recipes selling at already inflated prices - due to previous interactions and "marketing" therefore the influx of infamy/influence will mean people will buy them at those stupid prices. This just continues like one big long train, until someone genuine tries to deflate them back to the original price which is unfortunately at times financially-breaking.

That's the basic problem, the basic marketeers selling something look at the last 5 prices and go "oo I'll be smart and add 1 to the last value", which seems to be the FoTM for marketing at the moment, well done guide makers! This means that the next chap thinks it's much dearer and add's any % of the original value on top of it, and this climbs. Back to your surprise, I noticed it slightly a week ago with the salvages, common and uncommon rose to 500,000 and above, sky-rocketing at one point.

Fury

Originally Posted by JuliusSeizure

I wouldn't list it for more than the level 50s. The only advantage of lower level procs is that you can use them sooner. Level 41 isn't that much sooner that level 47, so don't expect it to sell for that much more (generally). If it were closer to level 30, I could see you making a significant premium.

Originally Posted by Emberly

Nothing wrong with claws. It isn't low damage at all. Also, Follow Up gives you a better buff than Buildup when measured over time, and that's not even considering you can stack it*. Claws tears things up. Now, you might not enjoy it, but it's certainly not low damage.

If you are as new as your regdate implies then I suggest spending some time in the Scrapper forums. Read and learn.

*This might be my faulty memory but I am standing by it anyway.