SinisterDirge

You cant have individual types of "Spikes" per power. You can colour them differently, but they only change colour on redraw. Oh, you owe me a tailor token :P

It is not shifting goalposts to explain the layering of my defenses(as a whole, not defense, the game function) that allow me to do what I said I can do. After you asked.

Of course we can end this, but since you gave me a suggestion, may I make one for you? Look up the word foundation.

Please refer to Dechs Kaison's softcap guide. Actually, the main workhorse is my primary, and epic. If I couldnt take out the spawn fast enough, I would be a smear. Death is the best mitigation. I can just hold out longer, and more reliably than an aoe centric blaster.

What makes you think I have to spend all of my time softcapped?

In the early levels yes, its a crutch. I don't need to heal nearly as often anymore, so again...

Thanks never really thought it through I guess. I thought that softcapping was a blasters mez protection, and that once def debuffed, a blaster relying on that was in a world of hurt.

Layering defenses is just that. As the mobs get more difficult, I add another layer. Resistance will always be the the first layer. It is not semantics, it is resistance based defense.

How is /Fire not resistance based?

It is pretty easy to get 34%+ melee defense on a /fire scrapper. Pop a small purple. Kill stuff. Combine inspirations to make more purples. Rinse. Repeat. Resists kick in when defense fails. Punch off healing flames if mobs are ripping though resists. Consume keeps blue bar topped up.

I have an IOed fire tanker, yes its fun, yes it is tougher, but if I feel like playing will it blend, the scrapper will do it much faster, while surviving well enough.


That was paraphrasing Maelwys when he responded to my post where I said Please note that I never said there was no content that could challenge a tank, I just asked for more, and in situations that a scrapper or brute would wilt.

I have a high damage tank. My scrapper is still faster. I have a high aggro tank, with massive, massive layered defenses. Its not often I feel the need to pull him out.

Honestly, I have high hopes for the new content. I hope praetoria for my lvl 50's will be as much fun as it is for my lowbies, I can't wait to grit my teeth while I walk the tight rope between utter pwnage or failure as my spines/fire aoes the crap out of a spawn of ghouls and they fire off the pbaoe death heal and bring all the survivors back up to full hp.

Agreed.

I think it is unfortunate that the only challenge for tankers in this game is end game content jacked up to max and the necessity to be able to pull mobs off a toon that wasn't paying attention to what they were doing.

I challenge my scrapper everytime I play, and I dont need +4 lvl AV encounters or have to wait for 7 people to do it.

Wait what? What about Claws, Elec, and Fire? All are very good options for an aoe centric scrapper facing multiple foes. Sure, 4 out of 10 is still a minority, but it aint 1 out of 10.

I am more concerned with the seemingly limited contribution my tank makes in the majority of Pve gameplay. I havent felt the NEED to pull out a tank from my roster in a long, long time because I get enough surviveability from my scrapper along with the bonus of bucketloads of damage.

Primary means? Is that before or after the defenders buff/debuff, the controllers and doms lock them down and buff/debuff or pew pew pew, the corrs pew pew pew and buff/debuff and the MM's buff/debuff. I feel safer already. Sorry for the snark. Really, I am glad your game experience is such that you feel you are making a big contribution with your tanker. I used to feel that way too.

JB is asking for more damage, he wants to be able to one shot AV's with his tanker.

I disagree. I dont think tankers need any more damage whatsoever, they already do lots of damage.

I would like Tankers extra surviveability to actually matter.

I don't disagree with this.

When you have people that can walk away from the keyboard, grab a sandwich, hit the bathroom, and come back to the keyboard with their tank still standing, something in the challenge of surviveability bit is missing.



To a point. I can take my resistance based scrapper out against a much broader range of mob types than a softcapped blater, without worring about cascade failure. At +3/8. Not just for one spawn, but every single spawn, no pausing between spawns. I'm gussing more scrappers/brutes reliably have that ability than blasters do. If I am wrong in that, why don't you see more blasters farming?

This is not a square peg, round hole scenario. There is plenty of overlap in this game. Tankers can be a solo oriented AT. I solo with them just fine, just not as fast as my scrappers or brutes.

Might as well say that scrappers are a team oriented AT, they punch out tons of damage to take out the heavy mobs quickly so that the other AT's dont have to sit there for too long pew pew pewing.

Kind of what I meant when I said take out the aggro magnet aspect, but why say it in 7 words when you can use 150.

I know how tanks work, I have a few of them, I like them, alot. I just very rarely come accross content in the game that can't be solved faster than with a build up, throw spines, burn, spine burst and fireball to the face and be able to sj to the next mob to start all over. I dont need to dust off my tanks, because besides the novelty of it, I have no reason to pull DE monsters accross a map.

Never had that happen, however, sounds like a perfect opportunity to use detonator.

That, Ladies and Gentlemen, JB in particular, is balance.

JB, Tankers dont need more damage. They need more content designed to challenge their surviveability. Content that would extremely challenge a scrapper or brutes surviveability.

Taking aggro control out of the picture, there is no question that tanks are more surviveable, the issue is that scrappers/brutes can survive long enough to drop the mob/s, and really, thats all the surviveability you need.

Ranged I would say energy blast, purely for the gnock the mob to the next map feeling.

For the whole, feels like you could stop a bus rushing at you, Gravity.

Same here. Too bad the aggro cap is at 17. If it was more, I might feel like I might actually need to be on my tank.

That would work fine. 3 cyto's is overkill imo.

The reason people go with mu and electrifyiing fences is for the -kb it does. That way, your bots (which knock em back to hell) will no longer knock em all aboot and AssBot can lay overlapping burn patches and melt the spawn. That of course forces you into a resistance shield. And while layering defences are great, I prefer a Def shield to pair with all the -tohit from hurricane.

Like I said though, with storm, I have no problems locking down the spawn into a corner, or against a wall, allowing AssBot to lay overlapping burn patches and melt the spawn. So I embrace the knockback, am one with it, and dont try to negate it.

It raises my smashing and lethal as well as positional just fine, are you checking your attribute monitor for this info?

s/l.