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Quote:Except I said right from the start Im not unhappy enough to do this.Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Shubbie, you've been making that threat for the last seven years. It loses its weight when you keep throwing it around.
But it is a possible option.
Actually I usually just threaten cancellation which I did do, I was upset enough to cancel and put that as a reason. -
I already said Im not upset enough to do the chargeback, but it is an option that some players may take.
Im sure they dont want to be dealing with all that.
They need a refund system to deal with unhappy players in their house instead of someone else's.
Which has been my point all along -
Yeah they can close the account, but they would loose a paying customer who has been with them for 7 years and I would loose my account.
But I would still get the money back.
But again, not good business.
You never want to loose a customer for stupid reasons, and not offering a refund even if the customer is wrong is one of them. -
Lothic, you are correct in some things.
But there MUST be player recourse or it will cost them more in the long run. -
Quote:I think I willOriginally Posted by Calash
What we need is an easy to access test chamber that allows people to see how things work/look. Heck...turn a section of Pocket D into "Nulls Nest" where you can respec and play with powers at will, but there is no impact to the real world.
Sure the test server does that but is it really the best option for non-forum players?
To OP: Support ticket is the best option. I would not expect a refund but it never hurts to ask.
If I really really was upset, I would charge back the point purchase, I know credit cards will back the customer on this over the game company, I did it before to another company that did tick me off to that point.
But it does create a bit of a mess. -
Quote:Probably a 3 day refund policy, but I dont feel strongly one way or another about deletion or lock.Originally Posted by Ironblade
And when you tire of playing the character, get it refunded again? No. It has to be deletion or nothing.
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Quote:Im a ChefOriginally Posted by Prof_Radburn
Originally Posted by Shubbie
TO me this set was NOT worth me
There are many people who do like the set,would you expect your money back after you had eaten a burger and found a piece of onion in it,I doubt very much that you will get the refund that you want.
I KNOW you would get your money back, and probably a new burger too.
Not everyone is going to like every offering.
I actually let myself get distracted and lost sight of what Im trying to do.
How StJ performs or what makes it good or bad is irrelevant. Good, bad or ugly some will like anything some wont.
There needs to be recourse. -
Quote:I have no problem with my character being deleted or locked.Originally Posted by Ironblade
The OP had a lot of bluster and incorrect 'facts', but I do agree that some things should be refundable. Of course, if you want a refund of a powerset, it should give you warning that any character using that set will be flat-out DELETED from your account.
That would be the only way a refund could work but I can anticipate people not paying attention and ending up screaming bloody murder on the forums about toons being deleted, or it was carrying a lot of inf, etc, etc.
The question is: which is the worse can of worms: having refunds, or not having them?
Locked would make more sense since they have the technology to do so and it doesnt come with the connotations of deletion.
Also if someone later changes their mind or the powerset is changed to be better, you could purchase again and it could be unlocked. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Chyll
And to your point, it wouldn't take me long to go find posts of people complaining about how much they dislike beam rifle....
Shame you didn't know about that feature.
I've been using it since they added the ability to drag and drop recipes and powers onto the chat bar. It helped drive a lot of early Incarnate ability discussion, and is also how people got a sneak peak at Staff Fighting details.
Understood.
Likewise, for others, the set is about far more than how wonderful it's AOE is... the set is just fun!
And that makes it worth the points for me (and apparently others).
You have pretty much made my point for me.
I loved beam rifle, Im happy with my purchase.
I despise StJ I am not happy with my purchase
Like it or not, leaving customers unhappy with their purchase with no recourse.
ITS NOT GOOD BUSINESS!!!
Some people are not going to be happy for whatever reason or no reason.
There needs to be an automated refund. -
Quote:you cant compare a package purchase to a single purchase.Originally Posted by Clouded
Can I have my money back for GR since I found Praetoria to be a waste of my money?
I didn't get to try it out before I bought it. I was not subscribed at the time of Beta and came back after if was live.
If you liked NOTHING about going rogue then you would have a point.
I hate praetoria too, its useless, but I love elec control, so I accept that as part of the package.
This is a purchase of one and ONLY one thing
Street Justice, and I dont like it. -
Quote:No I say dont buy it, if you want to have any reasonable aoe.Originally Posted by Emberly
Why, though? It's a good set. It just doesn't happen to meet your unreasonable expectations. I mean, seriously. Your argument seems to be based on "don't buy StJ because it is not as good as SS." That's... not very compelling.
Its a very weak aoe and doesnt offer enough otherwise.
UNless you want to have someone powerlevel you or you will team all the time and leech off other people's aoe, you are going to have a very very long trip to 50 once you hit the 30's when you start needing a thousand or so mobs for each level. -
Kinetic melee is junk, Super strength is overpowered, Martial arts is very good for tanks, Stj is weak in aoe, very weak.
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Quote:But buying a set without knowing what you get because they choose to hide the power numbers in the most obscure place possibleOriginally Posted by EU_Damz
A LOT of people love the street justice set, so it was clearly a powerset which they felt was more of a premium set than time manipulation.
IMO its one of my favourite sets ingame, thats what the whole point of the paragon market was i thought. YOU chose what ones you want to buy.
Not right.
Different people will have different opinions.
TO me this set was NOT worth my money. -
Quote:YES this is the point.Originally Posted by Lothic
I would simply offer that your definition of "good enough" in this case may differ from someone else's. *shrugs*
Not everyone is going to be happy with a purchase, they need to put a refund system or be bombarded by these kinds of posts every time they put out a paid set that isnt near the top.
Beam is probably the 3rd strongest ranged set only behind fire and archery.
Stj is firmly entrenched in middle of the pack of bleh. Thats not good enough for me.
My opinion, my right to have that opinion.
So unless they want this everytime someone doesnt like a paid set, they need to make a refund system. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Clouded
Footstomp - 15 ft radius, 10 targets
Whirling Mace - 8ft, 10 targets
Tremor - 15ft, 10 targets
Burst - 8 ft, 10 targets
FSC - 10 ft, 10 targets
Whirling Hands - 8ft, 10 targets
Thunderstrike - 7ft, 10 targets from targeted critter
Spin - 8ft, 10 targets
Whirling Axe - 8ft, 10 targets
Looks like the AoE power is right in line with previous sets. You seem to just want a footstomp clone. Not. Going. To. Happen.
There is NO reason though either the range of sweep cant be made 10' or the arc 90% and the cap raised to 10. -
Quote:Yeah its not terrible, its a middle of the road, bleh set.Originally Posted by Lothic
Apparently at least some of them do...
Not worth 10 for it on its own, save the bleh sets for free or expansions or packs.
Selling it on its own for 10 it needs to be good, not best but good.
its not. -
Quote:Wow thats obscure, ive been playing since beta and I didnt know that.Originally Posted by Biowraith
You can, but you have to take a roundabout route to do it: get the power names from wherever (Paragonwiki for example), then use in-game chat to bring up power info, e.g. by chatting [Heavy Blow] then clicking on the link it creates.
Far from ideal in terms of convenience and likelihood of people knowing about it, but it does work. -
Quote:Lets look at that for a moment.Originally Posted by Clouded
The target caps are in line with most AoE powers. Whirling hands, Thunderstrike, Fire Sword Circle, etc etc etc are 10 targets.
And Footstomp has a target cap of 10 also...
Whirling hands is in EM, which has for a while been considered a weak set.
Elec however is strong so lets look at that. lets get up mids here.
Jacobs ladder about the same stats as sweep, okie, but Elec also has thunderstrikes, chain induction and lightning rod which has a whopping 20' radius.
What Stj needs is a sweep to be moved to 10' and a 10 target cap. -
Quote:Dont expect any.Originally Posted by Emberly
I look forward to seeing any dev response to a demand for a refund based on "not enough AOE."
But as I said if I warn even a few people away from buying this set, im satisfied. -
Quote:WRONGOriginally Posted by EU_Damz
Plus you can use the character creation tool to SEE the numbers as they are on live . . . . . . . .
Changes [both good and bad] from beta > live are to be expected.
you can not see the numbers till you buy the set.
This is confirmed. -
Quote:Because the Dpa and dps numbers are fine, no need to do the calculations.Originally Posted by Clouded
I'm sorry, did I miss your DPA and DPS calculations? You keep using subjective terms as definitive statements (insanely, weak, miniscule, etc). If you want to be convincing then I propose you provide factual data that shows the discrepencies in a more objective light.
Lastly, you shouldn't compare any new AoE power to Footstomp. Instead, you should avoid using Footstomp in any comparison. It's an out-lier.
ITs the aoe's that are atrocious, the single target being weaker than SS is secondary.
its the low target caps and miniscule aoe thats the problem especially for a set with only 2 aoe. -
Quote:Yes but i can make it somewhat uncomfortable for them for putting out junk and charging a premium even if Im stuck with it.Originally Posted by Chyll
Does it have the leet n4mb3rz...?
no
But the set is fine in my book. It plays differently, it looks cool,
Totally worth the money, a far as I'm concerned. (YMMV and all that.)
Buyer's remorse? Shouldn't have run after the new shiny until you saw under the hood. -
Quote:Wrong, very wrong.Originally Posted by Lothic
If I had to guess there will be someone trying to "embarrass" them with threats of refund posts in relation to just about everything they ever sell in Paragon Market from now on. Just don't get your hopes up too much over this. Caveat Emptor after all.
Im EXTREMELY happy with beam rifle, as happy with beam rifle as Im unhappy with StJ. And Ive said that as many times.
But humans being humans complain more about what they dont like, than praise what they do. -
Quote:the target caps for the two aoes are 5 and 10 respectivly, and the aoe distance insanely small. Its very difficult to hit anything with the aoe. The radius on the aoe is also a miniscule 7 feet and 50% arc and 6 feet radius.Originally Posted by Clouded
Please provide your hard numbers that support your statement of SJ being the weakest set in terms of ST and AOE damage.
Otherwise people might misconstue your posts as being childish.
Footstomp has a 15 foot radius and a 16 target cap, it does more with 1 power than Stj does with 2.
Also the heavy hitter, have almost exactly the same stats except KO does a bit more damage.
ITs a weak set, it was changed after it came off beta but before live, so its not the same set I beta tested. -
Quote:Different, you paid for that as a part of a package. Spines was part of the original set of sets.Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
I've hated Spines since I first started playing. I wasn't given the opportunity to see Spines in action before I started playing. Can I get a refund of part of my sub for the last 6+ years, please?
Eco
Liking some and not others is part of it.
Street Justice is a premium price for one item, which is disapointing.
I could charge back the charge, but Im not so upset im ready to leave the game, so if I felt strongly enough I could do it.