Shred_Monkey

Originally Posted by Powerforge

It look amazing except for the accuracy. It's such a balancing act but I don't think this is gonna fair well against +4 bosses due to just that fact. I might be remembering wrong but I thought the goal was around +185% accuracy. That's what I try to shoot for. Seeing SL at +139% makes me worry. That and I hate the thought of muling Brawl. lol I know it won't be used and I myself have muled Boxing on Excelerate with no intent of ever using it but... you 4 slotted brawl!

Originally Posted by EvilGeko

I don't think he disagreed. If you SR is working out for you, I don't think anyone here is going to down you. This is a game man and if you're having fun then you're having fun.

We uberize our characters because we enjoy doing so. I for one, and I know most of the Scrapper regulars agree, are very much live and let live about what you want to do.

So long as you're killin' and do a Leeroy Jenkins once in awhile, you're a good scrapper with me!

Originally Posted by Powerforge

I had some time to re-evaluate this concept tonight. I also took the time to actually develop an attack chain and figure endurance consumption.

Talk about a balancing act.

We've lost a bit with the new build but gained a good bit too I think. I now have a gapless attack chain of MG>S>SL>G>S I believe. Endurance also appears to be under control. If my calculations are right the attack chain will burn 27.63 end every 8.048 seconds or 3.43 eps. Recovery is at 3.07 eps with Tactics turned off (Tactics is essentially a mule here for the S/L defense but I also like having the +perc. This power could be dumped for something more useful if I can make up the defense).

This means a net loss of endurance of .36/eps. Out of gas in 111.8 end/.36eps = 310 sec. or 5 minutes 17 sec.

But we now have Dark Consumption. Available every 76 seconds it will yield 43 end against one target alone. This equates to 43/76 = .56eps extra if I am figuring this out correctly.

Soooo recovery is actually 3.07+.56 = 3.63. That's .2eps more than my attack chain costs so it should run indefinitely.

Still a very respectable 35%-39% defense to all types.
Over 2500 HP!
Regenning 72.9 hps with one foe in range and 118 hps with 10
Siphon life healing 221 hps every 5 seconds
51% res to S/L
and acceptable acc against +4s even with SD down.

I'll continue to look at this more. If someone would please double check my figures and perhaps figure the dps on the attack chain with one foe?

Thanks for the advice!

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Mr. Graves: Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Dark Melee
Secondary Power Set: Willpower
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Smite -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(17), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(27), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(29), SipInsght-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 1: High Pain Tolerance -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(3), Aegis-ResDam(3), Numna-Heal(5), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(7)
Level 2: Mind Over Body -- RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(7), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(9), RctvArm-EndRdx(9), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(21), Empty(23)
Level 4: Shadow Maul -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-%Dam(21), Erad-Acc/Rchg(31), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(36), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36)
Level 6: Fast Healing -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(11), Numna-Heal/Rchg(11)
Level 8: Siphon Life -- Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Heal/HP/Regen(A), Nictus-Acc/Heal(13), KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(13), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(15), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(15), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(17)
Level 10: Indomitable Will -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 12: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 14: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(19), Mrcl-Rcvry+(19), Mrcl-Heal(27)
Level 16: Rise to the Challenge -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(29), Numna-Heal/Rchg(31)
Level 18: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(31), Ksmt-ToHit+(33)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(25)
Level 22: Quick Recovery -- P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(A), P'Shift-EndMod(23), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(25)
Level 24: Super Jump -- Winter-ResSlow(A)
Level 26: Soul Drain -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(33), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), Oblit-%Dam(34)
Level 28: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 30: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(37), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(39), RctvArm-EndRdx(39)
Level 32: Midnight Grasp -- Hectmb-Dmg(A), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(37), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(40), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(40), SipInsght-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 35: Heightened Senses -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(42), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(42), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 38: Dark Consumption -- P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(43), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(45), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(50)
Level 41: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(43), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(43), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(45)
Level 44: Gloom -- Apoc-Dmg(A), Apoc-Dmg/Rchg(45), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46), Apoc-Acc/Rchg(46), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx(46), EndRdx-I(50)
Level 47: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(48), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(48), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 49: Tactics -- Rec'dRet-ToHit(A), Rec'dRet-Pcptn(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury

Originally Posted by Electrosys

tried finding guides

Originally Posted by BillZBubba

Next thing ya know, folks will start coming here to get help with tech issues and overclocking guidance. Guess I'll tell Mid_Forever to start hanging out here.



Why, yes, I love the scrapper forum most of all.

Side note... damage auras on top of regular attack chains... kinda groovy when backed with the proclobster mindset.

Originally Posted by Slax_

I may be able to help you.

Originally Posted by Ticonderoga 6

Captain Tom Morris here, I love this channel. Its about time someone other than me got sick and tired of the AE garbage.

I was introduced to this game by a friend of mine and that's all he wanted to do. Bored the hell out of me. Shortly after joining, I had a character at level 40 and felt it was hollow, that I hadn't earned it. So I deleted that character and went about earning levels the right way. Shortly after that, my friend got banned for exploiting the communication officer's XP in farming scenarios.

Naturally, he got pissed off at the game administration and left. No great loss to me.

I enjoy this channel, its helped me find out a lot of things about CoH that I had previously been completely ignorant of. Thanks, Gabby!

Originally Posted by BrokenPrey

So I16 hit close beta today and you can look at the log in screen. Look at the Tankers Electric Armor and Looks like they replaced CP with a new power called Energize. This is across all versions... Tanker, Scrapper, Brute, and even Stalker... numbers below are for the Tanker version

Instead of a ~120% end discount like the brute version, it has a 60% end discount, but a 100% regeneration increase and a hefty heal (468 HP @ level 50 unenhanced) The end discount and regeneration buff last 30 seconds, and the power recharges in 2 minutes. Doesnt look like there's a crash or anything. No word if the recharge time is unenhanceable like SoW.

Originally Posted by Shannon_EU

Scrappers running back with their aggro cap crying "heal meh!!!" have got it wrong

Originally Posted by Umbral_NA

Yeah, with 57 second recharge, that would allow him to get 23.75-110 end back every 58 seconds for .41-1.93 end/sec, but that's also adding the additional problem of Hasten uptime (which is important for long recharging powers like DC because it's not actually going to be up that fast all the time because Hasten isn't perma) and Hasten endurance costs (15 endurance every Hasten cycle). With your build, Hasten is up once every 141 seconds which is an uptime of 85% for an average contribution of 59.5% +rech and a cost of .106 end/sec. Add that in to the 79.79% +rech you've got in DC and that 62.5% +rech you've got from set bonuses and that gives you DC with a recharge of 59.6 seconds so that you can use it once every ~61 seconds. 23.75-110 end every 61 seconds would amount to .39-1.8 end/sec.

Even including DC's contribution, you're still going to be hemorraging endurance with a constant attack string. With 3.41 end/sec without DC (passive + .22 for the Perf Shifter proc), you'd get 5.21 end/sec recovery with 1.75 end/sec consumption from toggles and Hasten. That gives you 3.46 end/sec to use for attacks. The optimal attack string while Hasten is up for your build is Gloom>Smite>MG>Gloom>Smite>Siphon which burns 3.99 end/sec. So it's not even sustainable under optimal DC conditions to run at full tilt.

Originally Posted by Umbral_NA

Depending on what you want to consider "normal playstyle", Stamina could easily have been the better option for you, especially considering that you weren't particularly set up for recharge, which is what makes DC so potent.

Consider this:

With 95% recharge from slotting and the 42.5% global +rech from slotting (127.5% total +rech), DC would have been available once every 80 seconds. Assuming you slotted it for something other than end mod (which is generally a waste, considering what it does with multiple targets), against a single target, that would only be a 95% chance for 25 end every 80 seconds for .296875 end/sec. Against more targets (re: enough to get 5 with every application and a tiny chance of missing that many), that's 110 end (cuz you're gonna get the accolades, right?) every 80 seconds, for 1.375 end/sec.

Now, consider Stamina: assuming you use the same slotting as you did for QR, that's 1.16 end/sec (Perf Shifter adds another .22 end/sec). 1.16 end/sec v. .296875-1.1375 end/sec.

Honestly, because you're not packing any decent amount of recharge, you're best bet is to stick with Stamina simply because you need to constantly be fighting a glut of targets for it to be better. As soon as you drop down to a single target, you're not really going to be getting much out of it.

Originally Posted by Umbral_NA

You may not know from you lack of experience with posting builds, but the "Official forums / UBB.threads" formatting code no longer works on the new boards. Repost that using the "phpBB / Zetaboards" formatting code if you want to make it decently legible.